Neikodog's High Brix Sativas

Doh! It was Nev Skunk, not Haze that Grizz ran... my memory... (plus still learning about all the classics! I remember it looking very Sativa like, so I thought ‘haze’)
 
Ya....this cut of A5 is a very special cut that was lost for many yrs due to incorrect labelling and other reasons.Neiko has the full story but its not any ol haze...its a very very special cut of the original Nevilles Haze...the best sought after one ...thats the only reason i am considering it.
If i do run it ....it(only getting one seed) will get its very own 26 gal pot!
 
I've tried a half dozen different Hazes by now , and I couldn't get any of them to mature properly indoors until this last batch. I tried topping and LST and they always turned into a big unhappy mess. I had decided that these 15 foot fern bushes just weren't going to be possible in a 4x4 room.

But I think I have a clue now - multiple upcans. The problem is the natural structure of the plant. It wants to grow tall before it matures. If you try to keep it to 4-5 feet, it never turns into itself. It needs the height to produce the blooming branches. And I also think landrace type Hazes also need the soil - lots n lots of soil. They don't like to be overfed, but their roots need a lot of that bland soil.

I had success with 2 plants this time and I ran them both into bloom in small pots. I did a Utopia Haze x Buddha Haze in a 3 gallon pot and the GT Haze in a 6 gallon. In the middle of bloom, about the time the buds set, I upcanned them both. UBH went from 3 gallons to 6 gallons, and GTH went from 6 to 15. They both finished without the fast fade I usually get from the fuffy ones.

So, the next time I find that I have a long fluffy one, I'm going to keep it in a small pot when I flip, and upcan it after bud set. I'll only veg it to maybe the 5th node. I think that upcan idea is a winner. It was surprising how they both perked up. I was ready for a stall after the transplant, but I got the opposite. I bet I could even step it up gradually, from 1.5s to 3s to 6s and to a 15 gallon if necessary. It'd be a quasi-bonsai technique, only giving the roots enough soil to keep the plant healthy and growing, at a given stage.

Someone else should try it. :Namaste:
 
Thanks for that Gray!!:thumb::thanks: I would start it in a one gal. Then transplant right into the 26 gal...then prolly flip her right away....with only a few recovery days once she goes in the big one. I would also lst the shit out of her to obtain my desired canopy...for max yield!
Sound proper Gray?
 
Duggan said:
Thanks for that Gray!!:thumb::thanks: I would start it in a one gal. Then transplant right into the 26 gal...then prolly flip her right away....with only a few recovery days once she goes in the big one. I would also lst the shit out of her to obtain my desired canopy...for max yield!
Sound proper Gray?
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If you flip it in a small pot, it won't stretch as much. See, the damned things don't stop growing when they start blooming. They do both at once. So, there's really no such thing as "the stretch", like a hybrid. They stretch, and then they bloom, but they keep stretching. o_O And then they overgrow themselves and the room.

But if you flip it with just enough soil to keep the roots happy - maybe 6 gallons in your case, they'll keep growing during the first 6 weeks of bloom, but nothing like they would in a 26. Then, when the plant stops stretching, you upcan it to finish in the 26.

That's what happened by accident with this GTH. It had stopped getting taller, but it was (I thought) a few weeks from finish, so I went from 6 to 15 gallons. All fade immediately stopped and it started fattening up the calyxes.

No LST, no topping, won't be necessary. I'd say veg it in the 1 gallon, upcan to a 6 at flip, then to the 26 at about bud set. I got 6 friggin ounces from my 15 gallon bin. :bongrip:

Try it, try it. :slide:
 
Graytail said:
If you flip it in a small pot, it won't stretch as much. See, the damned things don't stop growing when they start blooming. They do both at once. So, there's really no such thing as "the stretch", like a hybrid. They stretch, and then they bloom, but they keep stretching. o_O And then they overgrow themselves and the room.

But if you flip it with just enough soil to keep the roots happy - maybe 6 gallons in your case, they'll keep growing during the first 6 weeks of bloom, but nothing like they would in a 26. Then, when the plant stops stretching, you upcan it to finish in the 26.

That's what happened by accident with this GTH. It had stopped getting taller, but it was (I thought) a few weeks from finish, so I went from 6 to 15 gallons. All fade immediately stopped and it started fattening up the calyxes.

No LST, no topping, won't be necessary. I'd say veg it in the 1 gallon, upcan to a 6 at flip, then to the 26 at about bud set. I got 6 friggin ounces from my 15 gallon bin. :bongrip:

Try it, try it. :slide:
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This is something i gotta think ...long and hard over bud!
The last pure Sativas i tried were the Desfrans(Destroyer x Destroyer)...and you seen just how crazy they got. Also i would have to grow it at the right time of yr in my gr as to avoid high RH levels. A winter grow would suit it best .That way i wouldnt be so worried about big colas everywhere going moldy.
Anyhow ...food for thought...i figure!
Thanks a lot for your words of wisdom Gray.....:high-five:
 
Graytail said:
If you flip it in a small pot, it won't stretch as much. See, the damned things don't stop growing when they start blooming. They do both at once. So, there's really no such thing as "the stretch", like a hybrid. They stretch, and then they bloom, but they keep stretching. o_O And then they overgrow themselves and the room.

But if you flip it with just enough soil to keep the roots happy - maybe 6 gallons in your case, they'll keep growing during the first 6 weeks of bloom, but nothing like they would in a 26. Then, when the plant stops stretching, you upcan it to finish in the 26.

That's what happened by accident with this GTH. It had stopped getting taller, but it was (I thought) a few weeks from finish, so I went from 6 to 15 gallons. All fade immediately stopped and it started fattening up the calyxes.

No LST, no topping, won't be necessary. I'd say veg it in the 1 gallon, upcan to a 6 at flip, then to the 26 at about bud set. I got 6 friggin ounces from my 15 gallon bin. :bongrip:

Try it, try it. :slide:
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Cultivation.....yeah the stuff grows in the wild...in nature. But aren't we also part of nature?

Our role, the best thing we can do as humans, is to cultivate the earth. Keep it clean, green, well planted, productive and above all stay connected to it, not at war or feverishly plundering for personal gain, by caring for the earth pastorally.

I'm still taking the last puffs of a HazelNut Cream sugar leaf joint.....about 20-30 hits in.....and you know what that's like. :D

And I just wanted to say that I agree with your method here, especially the reasoning and understanding of how these plants grow and why they do what they do.

I think the timing of that Transplant from 7 to 25 might be an interesting thing to test out. After about 4 days post transplanting from 1's to 7's, the roots have reached top, bottom and all around. I think doing the transplant after 3 weeks and before much past 6 weeks might have a very different effect on growth.

Once those roots hit the wall, the girth of the plant is checked, while when they hit the bottom, the height is checked. The shape of the container influences the shape of the plant.

I think we'd want to do a very gentle "early" transplant, compared to how we do it in veg.

Damn, I'm wordy right now. Check back later.
 
Doc Bud said:
Damn, I'm wordy right now. Check back later.
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LOL, yes you are! ;)

I can see you at the table, squinting into the sun, with the remains of several blunts lying around. Maybe we can get a Vegas thing put together. :slide:
 
Funny Gray....me too bud...but when i see him at that table ,the joints never stop coming...ffs...somebody stop me....i mean him....lmfao
 
Doc Bud said:
I think we'd want to do a very gentle "early" transplant, compared to how we do it in veg.
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I had overlooked this. I confess that I have never scored roots when I upcan. I transplant earlier than most, and my roots are still fine and well distributed, without any wrapping or hard yellow ones. I'm running them longer in the original pots now, so I'll be doing it for those. I just filled the bin, dropped an empty pot in there and molded the soil around it, popped the old rootball out of the 6, dusted it with Roots!, and plopped it into the hole. Then I poured about 3 gallons of Trans/Tea over the soil, and left town. 8 days later, it looked great! And it took another 8-10 days to dry out. :slide: It probably ran another 3 weeks at least, because of the extra soil.
 
Duggan said:
Ya....this cut of A5 is a very special cut that was lost for many yrs due to incorrect labelling and other reasons.Neiko has the full story but its not any ol haze...its a very very special cut of the original Nevilles Haze...the best sought after one ...thats the only reason i am considering it.
If i do run it ....it(only getting one seed) will get its very own 26 gal pot!
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You're gonna have a beast on your hands!
 
eggsman said:
I loved the paralyzer, looked forwarded to it every year.
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Send me a PM if you have any connection to a start of it. Always keeping my ears open for it.
 
neikodog said:
Monkey paw was really popular in Mid-Michigan in the mid to late 80's. The buds were sold still on the stick and they curved at the top, it looked like a monkey hand. It was a real treat when that was around. I only smoked for a short time during high school and that stuff was the most memorable. I think it is even on leafly.
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So did you wind up finding a start of it for yourself?
 
Duggan said:
Neiko...how long could one expect the A5 to bloom for?
Nevilles Haze
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Well I don't know. They didn't give me any flowering times since they are testing. From what I've read from others testing them now 12-16 weeks depending on phenotype. The addition of the Malawi was to try and increase potency further and bring about better growing traits. Truthfully you may be in for a long one Duggs.
 
Graytail said:
It was rewarding, at least. I just jarred it and got 167 grams, 5.89 ounces, out of a plant that ran 201 days total. That's 0.827 grams per day, blowing my record out of the water. :slide:

A five foot plant in a 15 gallon tub yields pretty well! :hmmmm: I may have to try that again.

(I realized that I screwed up the math. It ran 201 days total = 35 veg, 166 days under 11/13, about 120 days from first pistils.)

Here's the top:

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Nice cola Gray! how would you rate the final produce?
 
Graytail said:
If you flip it in a small pot, it won't stretch as much. See, the damned things don't stop growing when they start blooming. They do both at once. So, there's really no such thing as "the stretch", like a hybrid. They stretch, and then they bloom, but they keep stretching. o_O And then they overgrow themselves and the room.

But if you flip it with just enough soil to keep the roots happy - maybe 6 gallons in your case, they'll keep growing during the first 6 weeks of bloom, but nothing like they would in a 26. Then, when the plant stops stretching, you upcan it to finish in the 26.

That's what happened by accident with this GTH. It had stopped getting taller, but it was (I thought) a few weeks from finish, so I went from 6 to 15 gallons. All fade immediately stopped and it started fattening up the calyxes.

No LST, no topping, won't be necessary. I'd say veg it in the 1 gallon, upcan to a 6 at flip, then to the 26 at about bud set. I got 6 friggin ounces from my 15 gallon bin. :bongrip:

Try it, try it. :slide:
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Interesting but it makes sense to me. I'll try it out.
 
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