Neikodog's High Brix Sativas

[SweetSue]

I gotta tell y'all how nice it is to see people talking about the sativa high so objectively and naturally.

It's been a constant battle for me, with the people around me and many of the growers here, to get them to focus on the character of the high. The vast majority of smokers want something that tastes great and is really stoney. I get offered stuff that blurs me out within minutes and I wonder what's so fun about it. Y'know? Now I feel tired. Whee ... Or I could smoke something that gets me really high and wide awake. I have SO much more fun when I'm wide awake, y'know? Ergo, sativas.

But I do get why that wouldn't be true for everyone. What I don't get is why hardly anyone even knows what a sativa high is like, or often even what it is.

Sigh.

Wow! I live my life, from daybreak to bedtime on a continual sativa buzz. I am never straight anymore, and I have no tolerance for an indica-type buzz. I want clear thinking, motivated focus, inspired curiosity. Sitting down and vegging out in the end doesn't work for me in the slightest. I go until I start yawning, then I go to bed, get up and do it all over again.

 

[Neiko]

Don't forget about Cannabiogen.

I just checked their site and it looks like they have Destroyer fems in stock - that's a killer sativa ... ... and Lilly too?

Destroyer is on my list for sure, so is Carnival, although I think I have a photo Devil's Carnival now so maybe that covers the Carnival. I have had 0 luck germinating any Lilly's. I had 6 seeds and I think I have 1 left, I kinda gave up on it, maybe I'll sink the last one next seed drop. I definitely want to drop some ziggy +'s next run. I've had those for a long time......some GT+ probably.

 

[Neiko]

So the Panama Haze is a fantastic strain! It's a potent one for sure. I can't wait to see what it is like in another 3 or so weeks. The wife can be sensitive to some of the sativas I grow, they don't always agree with her......gets the mind going places she doesn't like. She had none of that with the PH even early. When I hear the "oh hun I really like this", it usually means it's one I didn't clone lol. I can't keep a bunch of 15-16 week clones around especially ones that want to grow out of the tent. A 1 one gallon veg is all that PH needs and that was topped.

 

[Beavis]

But I do get why that wouldn't be true for everyone. What I don't get is why hardly anyone even knows what a sativa high is like, or often even what it is.

Sigh.

I think the answer is access...or lack thereof. Before anything was legal no one that was selling kind bud was growing sativa for reasons you mentioned....growers were growing what smokers wanted and that was a couch lock high. It was either that or Mexican brick weed. At least that was the way it was here. We never had access to it or even heard about anyone having sativa when we were growing up.

I'm one of those couch lock guys. But I'm also fascinated by sativas. Y'alls descriptions of the high and tastes are amazing and leave me really wanting to try to grow one. I'd really like to focus on the "character" of the high as Graytail said.

 

[Mag7]

I have some Congo from Ace that I'm waiting to germinate. That will be my last from before I head out on my road trip. Should be done right before I leave if I can time it right.

 

[SweetSue]

So the Panama Haze is a fantastic strain! It's a potent one for sure. I can't wait to see what it is like in another 3 or so weeks. The wife can be sensitive to some of the sativas I grow, they don't always agree with her......gets the mind going places she doesn't like. She had none of that with the PH even early. When I hear the "oh hun I really like this", it usually means it's one I didn't clone lol. I can't keep a bunch of 15-16 week clones around especially ones that want to grow out of the tent. A 1 one gallon veg is all that PH needs and that was topped.

My daughter is sensitive to sativas and the other day she explained to me why she thinks that is. She has an anxiety disorder that kept her in a state of panic most of her life, until we discovered cannabinoid therapy. The terpene profiles found in most sativas fire her system up in a way that mirrors an oncoming panic attack, and her system falls over the edge. It'd be interesting to figure out which terpenes made your wife react poorly. It may be one in particular, or a combination of a couple in common ratio that are causing her reaction. With my daughter I'm fairly certain it may be pinene. We know she's allergic to pine oil, and pinene is one of the prominent sativa terpenes, so this makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Morglie]

I gotta tell y'all how nice it is to see people talking about the sativa high so objectively and naturally.

It's been a constant battle for me, with the people around me and many of the growers here, to get them to focus on the character of the high. The vast majority of smokers want something that tastes great and is really stoney. I get offered stuff that blurs me out within minutes and I wonder what's so fun about it. Y'know? Now I feel tired. Whee ... Or I could smoke something that gets me really high and wide awake. I have SO much more fun when I'm wide awake, y'know? Ergo, sativas.

But I do get why that wouldn't be true for everyone. What I don't get is why hardly anyone even knows what a sativa high is like, or often even what it is.

Sigh.

People are scared of the long flowering times, which doesn't make sense as there are some good ones that flower in 8-10 weeks.

Ace's Panama would be a good one for you ween. Very vigorous and it's a great buzz. 10-12 weeks, so not too bad.

 

[Doc Bud]

The Sativas can indeed bring out symptoms of panic attack, self-consciousness, "paranoia" and what we might refer to as "negative self talk" or something like that. It's understandable that many people would view this as a negative or undesirable effect! I certainly wouldn't want a whole house full of dinner guests getting panic attacks.....

But these same strains also do something really amazing---if you've got the time and the "guts" to do it. The time isn't always right for this, but when it is, I honestly believe it can be life-changing.

Prepare food and drink, arrange to be alone to 5 -8 hours, starlight is my favorite......but solitary sunlight and tall trees will work, as will lonely coastlines and mountain trails. NO CELL PHONE OR COMMUNICATION.

Smoke a ton of the stuff. Get good and panicky.....let the self-awareness and self-doubt flow.....bring it on. Embrace it.

Start pulling on the strings: Why do I feel like this about myself? Why do I have this problem? Who do I need to forgive? Who do I need to ask to forgive me?

Smoke some more, pay attention to the living things around you....bugs, birds, plants, ocean, stars, breeze, crickets,.....let your mind wander where it wishes and think it all through.

When I take time to do this, it always results in something positive. And the more you do it, the less "paranoid" you become during the self-discovery. No one likes to contemplate how they're wrong, or how they F'd up their life, or their kids, or their marriage, job, etc. Many of us haven't F'd up so bad....others have.

All of can better ourselves, forgive others and be forgiven. Each of us can make changes in how we judge ourselves and others.

Sativas do this better than any therapist, IMO. It's just not very comfortable the first few times you do it!

 

[Neiko]

My daughter is sensitive to sativas and the other day she explained to me why she thinks that is. She has an anxiety disorder that kept her in a state of panic most of her life, until we discovered cannabinoid therapy. The terpene profiles found in most sativas fire her system up in a way that mirrors an oncoming panic attack, and her system falls over the edge. It'd be interesting to figure out which terpenes made your wife react poorly. It may be one in particular, or a combination of a couple in common ratio that are causing her reaction. With my daughter I'm fairly certain it may be pinene. We know she's allergic to pine oil, and pinene is one of the prominent sativa terpenes, so this makes perfect sense to me.

I would keep searching Sue. I just checked the terp report on my last Malawi and it only had .01% of Alpha and Beta Pinene. The terp report for Malawi is quite unremarkable and that beast is the only sativa to give me the experience Doc is talking about. We actually had a similar conversation in my other journal right after we tried it. The wife wouldn't smoke it again. I think there are still compounds/terpenes that they aren't testing for that really influence the effects. I will get this malawi tested and compare. This one is the older Killer Malawi phenotype. It's the most potent of the Malawis. This one looks like a completely different strain than my last Malawi. She probably won't care for this one either....but I should be allowed to have one that is all mine!

 

[Mag7]

The Sativas can indeed bring out symptoms of panic attack, self-consciousness, "paranoia" and what we might refer to as "negative self talk" or something like that. It's understandable that many people would view this as a negative or undesirable effect! I certainly wouldn't want a whole house full of dinner guests getting panic attacks.....

But these same strains also do something really amazing---if you've got the time and the "guts" to do it. The time isn't always right for this, but when it is, I honestly believe it can be life-changing.

Prepare food and drink, arrange to be alone to 5 -8 hours, starlight is my favorite......but solitary sunlight and tall trees will work, as will lonely coastlines and mountain trails. NO CELL PHONE OR COMMUNICATION.

Smoke a ton of the stuff. Get good and panicky.....let the self-awareness and self-doubt flow.....bring it on. Embrace it.

Start pulling on the strings: Why do I feel like this about myself? Why do I have this problem? Who do I need to forgive? Who do I need to ask to forgive me?

Smoke some more, pay attention to the living things around you....bugs, birds, plants, ocean, stars, breeze, crickets,.....let your mind wander where it wishes and think it all through.

When I take time to do this, it always results in something positive. And the more you do it, the less "paranoid" you become during the self-discovery. No one likes to contemplate how they're wrong, or how they F'd up their life, or their kids, or their marriage, job, etc. Many of us haven't F'd up so bad....others have.

All of can better ourselves, forgive others and be forgiven. Each of us can make changes in how we judge ourselves and others.

Sativas do this better than any therapist, IMO. It's just not very comfortable the first few times you do it!

Wow, sound completely freakin scary. Every time I go out and do and do something like this; I can't let go. I prefer to be alone whenever I get high. On any thing; Cannabis, opioids, psychedelics and such. But I never do enough to not have what feel is full control, or at least a majority of control.

 

[SweetSue]

I would keep searching Sue. I just checked the terp report on my last Malawi and it only had .01% of Alpha and Beta Pinene. The terp report for Malawi is quite unremarkable and that beast is the only sativa to give me the experience Doc is talking about. We actually had a similar conversation in my other journal right after we tried it. The wife wouldn't smoke it again. I think there are still compounds/terpenes that they aren't testing for that really influence the effects. I will get this malawi tested and compare. This one is the older Killer Malawi phenotype. It's the most potent of the Malawis. This one looks like a completely different strain than my last Malawi. She probably won't care for this one either....but I should be allowed to have one that is all mine!

When you get it tested, will you share the results in the study hall please? Thank you for the encouragement. She's been playing with a high THC indica strain that works for her, but she'd like to see if she can learn to appreciate a sativa. She sees what they do for her mother.

An insightful post Doc. I personally havent responded in this way to any sativa, but my experience is limited. Cannabis opens doors in your mind that you don't think to explore until you're under the influence. As you say, better than a therapist. I'm curious as to whether the strains that do this to people share a common terpene profile. In time we'll know this, just as in very little time we'll have data available on what profile works most consistently for particular treatments. Getting closer and closer all the time.

 

[SweetSue]

Wow, sound completely freakin scary. Every time I go out and do and do something like this; I can't let go. I prefer to be alone whenever I get high. On any thing; Cannabis, opioids, psychedelics and such. But I never do enough to not have what feel is full control, or at least a majority of control.

Oooo.... see, and I just love that wild free-falling feeling that makes me simply let go and soar. I have no fear though. This makes all the difference. I know, without any doubt that cannabis can't hurt me. This leaves me free to experience the upper reaches of thought.

 

[Doc Bud]

When you get it tested, will you share the results in the study hall please? Thank you for the encouragement. She's been playing with a high THC indica strain that works for her, but she'd like to see if she can learn to appreciate a sativa. She sees what they do for her mother.

An insightful post Doc. I personally havent responded in this way to any sativa, but my experience is limited. Cannabis opens doors in your mind that you don't think to explore until you're under the influence. As you say, better than a therapist. I'm curious as to whether the strains that do this to people share a common terpene profile. In time we'll know this, just as in very little time we'll have data available on what profile works most consistently for particular treatments. Getting closer and closer all the time.

RE Terps: Try taking dry hits of a jar of nice buds while smoking the same buds in a joint. Just try it.

 

[Mag7]

Oooo.... see, and I just love that wild free-falling feeling that makes me simply let go and soar. I have no fear though. This makes all the difference. I know, without any doubt that cannabis can't hurt me. This leaves me free to experience the upper reaches of thought.

I have a hard time letting go.

 

[Graytail]

I have a hard time letting go.

There are also differences in character between sativas. Some are known to be friendly and kind, while others are unsettling and annoying. I personally have issues with SLH for instance - there's something in it that constantly breaks my train of thought and it's annoying - gives me a headache. Brazilians are particularly kind if you can find one. Nexus and Buddha Haze are fairly easy to grow, and Utopia Haze is not. There are also Colombian phenos that have a similar character. Panama has the advantage of being particularly sensual, so you end up more involved in sensations and don't feel too racy. It's mainly the African strains and Hazes and Thais that have the overpowering raciness to them.

I feel it myself, but being high is a natural state of mind for me this past decade, so meh, whatever, I ride it. I do likes me some good cannabis buzz, I do, yes.

 

[SweetSue]

RE Terps: Try taking dry hits of a jar of nice buds while smoking the same buds in a joint. Just try it.

Ooo..... I almost missed this. I will do this when I start smoking later. Thanks Doc. I can see why this would work.

 

[SweetSue]

There are also differences in character between sativas. Some are known to be friendly and kind, while others are unsettling and annoying. I personally have issues with SLH for instance - there's something in it that constantly breaks my train of thought and it's annoying - gives me a headache. Brazilians are particularly kind if you can find one. Nexus and Buddha Haze are fairly easy to grow, and Utopia Haze is not. There are also Colombian phenos that have a similar character. Panama has the advantage of being particularly sensual, so you end up more involved in sensations and don't feel too racy. It's mainly the African strains and Hazes and Thais that have the overpowering raciness to them.

I feel it myself, but being high is a natural state of mind for me this past decade, so meh, whatever, I ride it. I do likes me some good cannabis buzz, I do, yes.

Amen!

 

[ShiggityFlip]

The Sativas can indeed bring out symptoms of panic attack, self-consciousness, "paranoia" and what we might refer to as "negative self talk" or something like that. It's understandable that many people would view this as a negative or undesirable effect! I certainly wouldn't want a whole house full of dinner guests getting panic attacks.....

But these same strains also do something really amazing---if you've got the time and the "guts" to do it. The time isn't always right for this, but when it is, I honestly believe it can be life-changing.

Prepare food and drink, arrange to be alone to 5 -8 hours, starlight is my favorite......but solitary sunlight and tall trees will work, as will lonely coastlines and mountain trails. NO CELL PHONE OR COMMUNICATION.

Smoke a ton of the stuff. Get good and panicky.....let the self-awareness and self-doubt flow.....bring it on. Embrace it.

Start pulling on the strings: Why do I feel like this about myself? Why do I have this problem? Who do I need to forgive? Who do I need to ask to forgive me?

Smoke some more, pay attention to the living things around you....bugs, birds, plants, ocean, stars, breeze, crickets,.....let your mind wander where it wishes and think it all through.

When I take time to do this, it always results in something positive. And the more you do it, the less "paranoid" you become during the self-discovery. No one likes to contemplate how they're wrong, or how they F'd up their life, or their kids, or their marriage, job, etc. Many of us haven't F'd up so bad....others have.

All of can better ourselves, forgive others and be forgiven. Each of us can make changes in how we judge ourselves and others.

Sativas do this better than any therapist, IMO. It's just not very comfortable the first few times you do it!

I totally get this. Sometimes I can get to the verge of a panic attack, but it is in the end the cannabis pointing out things I have left undone, physically and spiritually. It's a hard lesson but a lesson nonetheless.

I would keep searching Sue. I just checked the terp report on my last Malawi and it only had .01% of Alpha and Beta Pinene. The terp report for Malawi is quite unremarkable and that beast is the only sativa to give me the experience Doc is talking about. We actually had a similar conversation in my other journal right after we tried it. The wife wouldn't smoke it again. I think there are still compounds/terpenes that they aren't testing for that really influence the effects. I will get this malawi tested and compare. This one is the older Killer Malawi phenotype. It's the most potent of the Malawis. This one looks like a completely different strain than my last Malawi. She probably won't care for this one either....but I should be allowed to have one that is all mine!

When you get it tested, will you share the results in the study hall please? Thank you for the encouragement. She's been playing with a high THC indica strain that works for her, but she'd like to see if she can learn to appreciate a sativa. She sees what they do for her mother.

An insightful post Doc. I personally havent responded in this way to any sativa, but my experience is limited. Cannabis opens doors in your mind that you don't think to explore until you're under the influence. As you say, better than a therapist. I'm curious as to whether the strains that do this to people share a common terpene profile. In time we'll know this, just as in very little time we'll have data available on what profile works most consistently for particular treatments. Getting closer and closer all the time.

I think the key here is not only the presence of anxiogenic terps but the lack of anxiolytic terps in those soaring sativas. Beta caryophellene, linalool, pinene, limonene all have anxiolytic effects. But the particular cocktail of terps or lack of terps in the strain can be unsettling. People whom take marinol often describe the experience as unsettling. Some sativas have anxiogenic terpene profiles, they tend to make us hyper aware.

 

[SweetSue]

I like hyper-aware. I'm a Saggitarian woman. We analyze everything.

 

[Beavis]

I like hyper-aware. I'm a Saggitarian woman. We analyze everything.

Fellow Sagittarian (12/13). I practically make Excel spreadsheets to analyze buying a gallon of milk.