My First Time Growing

Bummer about the bad news on Med card fees, Smoke. Don't get frustrated. Things are gong great. I was just tossing things out there with the 4x4.

Rad is correct about the light, I think. If you hit the link he posted to the manufacturers site and it lists a package dimension and product dimension. If you check out the item on Amazon you'll see that it is the exact same item. The pictures are identical. The package is bigger because the bulbs aren't installed, probably. If that product dimension is right that light will fit PERFECTLY in the 2x4 and provide ideal lighting in the correct spectrum. In the customer questions on Amazon I found this:


Question: What is the width of this fixture? I only have exactly 24 inches to play with.

Answer: The light is 46.0 inches by 26.0 inches, and roughly 2.75 inches tall. Power switches and cords will add some space to the 46.0 inches since both protrude from the side.

By Artiniel on March 10, 2014

What has always seemed most awkward is that big T-5 because we were thinking that it won't fit into the 4x2. Now you're free to use it to veg in the 2x4 - more than doubling your existing veg space. You are going to love having that other foot of width. The T-5 is PERFECT for the 2x4.

I'm not sure you need the inline fan for the 4x2. Run some flexible ducting from one of the cinchable holes in the roof of the big tent down into one of the big holes in the 2x4. Ideally you'd let the ducting fall to near the floor of the 2x4. Use a second piece of flexible ducting going out the other big hole on the 2x4 and let it bend and hang into the interior of the large tent. By letting it bend it will prevent light escape from the veg tent into the big tent. Negative pressure from your large inline fan exhausting the big tent will probably pull adequate air down through the veg tent and out into the flower tent for healthy plants.
 
Hi Smokey,
I'm just checking in. We had discussed the actual dimensions of the T5 unit before you purchased, there were two different sizes listed..one for the actual shipping box and the other for the actual unit along with the weight of it.

I hope you get this worked out, but please don't stress over it. It's going to be just fine. You've got Buds a coming 'round! Woo Hoo!

I'll check back to say Hi and get caught up. Things are tough here, I'm not online too much right now.

Lots-o-love n hugs and say hi to Mrs. Smokey!

:circle-of-love:
 
Cannafan said:
Hi Smokey,
I'm just checking in. We had discussed the actual dimensions of the T5 unit before you purchased, there were two different sizes listed..one for the actual shipping box and the other for the actual unit along with the weight of it.

I hope you get this worked out, but please don't stress over it. It's going to be just fine. You've got Buds a coming 'round! Woo Hoo!

I'll check back to say Hi and get caught up. Things are tough here, I'm not online too much right now.

Lots-o-love n hugs and say hi to Mrs. Smokey!

:circle-of-love:
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No doubt, buds in the VERY near future. :high-five:

Hang in there, Canna! :circle-of-love:

Between moving the 2x4 so it is against the side of the tent and the T-5 fitting in the 2x4 I'm pretty excited. I'm sorry about my big tent negativity. We all talk about things and get 'em figured out.

It's a blessing, really, that your helper hasn't been available. When the time comes you want to have a clear idea of how everything is going to go together so the whole project goes smoothly.

Smoke, do you have a link to the small tent? How many of the round cinchable holes does it have and where are they located?

I'm pretty sure that Shiggity and others will agree that the T-5 in the small tent is golden. The Mars 300 has a footprint good for flowering one decent sized plant so you'll be able to grow one or two more in flower, plus you're going to be able to grow larger plants with the increased veg and flower space.

Again, I apologize for my big tent negativity but the T-5 in the veg tent changes everything. I'm excited now!
 
Smokeater - I am sorry things got stressful. Taking a break sounds like an excellent choice. Excellent.

It is a puzzle. but it sure looks like your original plan of the small tent in the big tent will work very well.

No more lights, tents, or fans need to be purchased.

The Big T5 in the 2x4 tent will veg wall-to-wall green. Literally wall-to-wall-to-wall-to-door of happy marijuana plants.

The Mars Reflector 144x5W will cover a full 2x4 area with 363 measured LED Watts. (Thats good!) So those same plants vegged under the T5, if you kept them tightly packed in the big tent, can be vegged under just the Mars Reflector 144.

But wait, there's more. When you want to let a girl flower a little longer and still move a girl out from veg to flower, you have the Mars 300 which can easily hang in the big tent alongside the Mars Reflector 144.

But what if I told you there was more? How about that pair of small LEDs to keep a second girl flowering longer and another girl moving from veg to flower!

The Big T5 and the Mars Reflector 144 will be the backbone of your grow, with the Mars 300 and small LEDs to help as needed - all tucked inside your one big tent.


-- And what about your clone bucket, tiny rooted clones and small seedlings? I think they will be happy in the current cabinet with the CFLs on the wall :)

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Whatever you decide will be fine. No more money needs to be spent (except maybe tubes for light baffled airflow in and out of the small tent.)

The planning went in circles. You were tugged this way and that.

What you have right now, will give you years of service and ounces every month.

I'm not trying to blow smoke up your skirt, but I picture a day when you smile at that Mars 300 alongside the Mars Reflector 144 and realise that extra light meant one more girl was harvested and that one girl yielded well over 1/4 lb of finely crafted, organically sweet, genetically superior marijuana. Weed that Willy Nelson and Snoop Dogg (Snoop Lion?) would be pleased to sit down and smoke with you.

The big question: Will that plant be your favorite, or your wife's favorite?
 
Cannafan said:
Hi Smokey,
I'm just checking in. We had discussed the actual dimensions of the T5 unit before you purchased, there were two different sizes listed..one for the actual shipping box and the other for the actual unit along with the weight of it.

I hope you get this worked out, but please don't stress over it. It's going to be just fine. You've got Buds a coming 'round! Woo Hoo!

I'll check back to say Hi and get caught up. Things are tough here, I'm not online too much right now.

Lots-o-love n hugs and say hi to Mrs. Smokey!

:circle-of-love:
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I forgot about that Canna, Thanks! I am looking forward to my harvest sooo much! Sorry I sounded like such an idiot.

I hope things start looking up for you in the near future.:circle-of-love:

My antics aside, I just wish I could help you out!
 
PeeJay said:
Bummer about the bad news on Med card fees, Smoke. Don't get frustrated. Things are gong great. I was just tossing things out there with the 4x4.

Rad is correct about the light, I think. If you hit the link he posted to the manufacturers site and it lists a package dimension and product dimension. If you check out the item on Amazon you'll see that it is the exact same item. The pictures are identical. The package is bigger because the bulbs aren't installed, probably. If that product dimension is right that light will fit PERFECTLY in the 2x4 and provide ideal lighting in the correct spectrum. In the customer questions on Amazon I found this:


Question: What is the width of this fixture? I only have exactly 24 inches to play with.

Answer: The light is 46.0 inches by 26.0 inches, and roughly 2.75 inches tall. Power switches and cords will add some space to the 46.0 inches since both protrude from the side.

By Artiniel on March 10, 2014

What has always seemed most awkward is that big T-5 because we were thinking that it won't fit into the 4x2. Now you're free to use it to veg in the 2x4 - more than doubling your existing veg space. You are going to love having that other foot of width. The T-5 is PERFECT for the 2x4.

I'm not sure you need the inline fan for the 4x2. Run some flexible ducting from one of the cinchable holes in the roof of the big tent down into one of the big holes in the 2x4. Ideally you'd let the ducting fall to near the floor of the 2x4. Use a second piece of flexible ducting going out the other big hole on the 2x4 and let it bend and hang into the interior of the large tent. By letting it bend it will prevent light escape from the veg tent into the big tent. Negative pressure from your large inline fan exhausting the big tent will probably pull adequate air down through the veg tent and out into the flower tent for healthy plants.
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PeeJay said:
No doubt, buds in the VERY near future. :high-five:

Hang in there, Canna! :circle-of-love:

Between moving the 2x4 so it is against the side of the tent and the T-5 fitting in the 2x4 I'm pretty excited. I'm sorry about my big tent negativity. We all talk about things and get 'em figured out.

It's a blessing, really, that your helper hasn't been available. When the time comes you want to have a clear idea of how everything is going to go together so the whole project goes smoothly.

Smoke, do you have a link to the small tent? How many of the round cinchable holes does it have and where are they located?

I'm pretty sure that Shiggity and others will agree that the T-5 in the small tent is golden. The Mars 300 has a footprint good for flowering one decent sized plant so you'll be able to grow one or two more in flower, plus you're going to be able to grow larger plants with the increased veg and flower space.

Again, I apologize for my big tent negativity but the T-5 in the veg tent changes everything. I'm excited now!
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Sorry I got so frustrated, I guess it comes down to after hearing about the MMJ Card, the day just went downhill and I apologize for letting it come out on you. I trust you that the size of the T5 is what you said, I hope your right about getting the circulation going with just some duct pieces, but that's cheap and easy to test and if it doesn't work, all I have to get is an inline fan to add into the mix which will take about a month to save for (so your right again about it being a blessing not having my helper available asap). I don't think I have a working link to the small tent because after I bought it, they discontinued it, hang on a sec.......

It is a working link for me, but it isn't the greatest set of photo's as in some of the photo's they show a 4' x 4' tent and my tent is dark black and in the pictures it's a dark greenish color. As far as the Cinch-able holes go, it has 2 on the roof (always at the furthest distance from each other, like on the roof, they are on either end of the 4' width)1 on each side and 2 in the back wall as well as ventilation holes low which are heavy screening covered by heavy duty blackout covers that are Velcro closed but if it fits as close as I think on the side against the one side and back, those 2 will be able to be opened and air will move but light will still be blocked because of how it's partially against 1 side of the tent an the back is up against the back wall (I love the idea of fitting the 4' width of the little tent up against the 8' wall and avoiding the fitting problem completely). But if that link works, Don't believe what the pictures show you as it looks like it jumps from a pic of this 2' x 4' and a 2' x 2' or maybe a 4' x 4' but it shows the inside as golden tan and it is actually all silver inside (you've seen the pic's from inside the tent, I'm sure you have an idea what it roughly looks like). Now I'm excited and am really looking forward to making this work! I like the idea of more light in the tent and vegging more. I'm REALLY sorry for getting upset with you before, It turned out to be one of those nights for me when the depression hits me heavy, except this time I realized after I had made the post and it was up a while what was happening (which is why I stayed off the computer after making that rude post) and had just enough weed left from the second plant's test nug to smoke it away for a while where I could actually forget about all that was getting me down. I fell asleep for a few hours and when I just woke up, I came on line to find this answer to the problem and am feeling better already. I'm getting better at realizing when it's happening to me and after my initial reaction, I'm learning to close my mouth until I am more positive.

Thank you guys for your ideas, and Rad, thanks also with your added comments , I was actually smiling reading that. So today turned into a good night when all I saw was darkness after my Doc's office. I apologize again to you guys for letting myself get upset. That's just plain old rude and insensitive. I apologize again. Damn, if I could just realize it when it first happens that it's my depression talking, I would just cancel all my posts before I posted them.
So cool, this is going to work out and I can get rid of my hydroponic book case :) once it's all up and running.
and will end up growing enough for the two of us to meet our goals.
Thank you all!! This is the kind of help I love. Again, I apologize for coming off like I did! I will get the hang of depression control most certainly once I have a steady supply of medicine to fall back on without worrying it's all I have for now!
Thanks again from the bottom of my heart!
 
BigNode81 said:
hi guys how do i start my own journal.
help please
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Welcome Bignode81, The first thing you need to do is at the very top in the black horizontal bar, hover over grow room and click Grow Journals in the drop down menu. Click on Journals in progress and read the first thread. "How to make a grow Journal". It will explain all sorts of things about what to post in your grow journal along with how to start it on the board if I remember right. Good luck, your doing it the smart way and starting a journal right away. Then you just need to go to other journals/threads and ask for help and include the URL for your journal and these great growers and people will come to your assistance.
 
Smokey, icemud posted a topic about making a cannabis topical rub with isopropyl alcohol and fresh leaves. He hasn't tried it out yet but it is a Mexican remedy for muscle pain. Since you are about to harvest you are going to have PLENTY of fresh leaves. If this is a workable medicine it will help you save more bud for CCO and your wife. Post #926

Icemud LED Grow Featuring The All New Budmaster COB Technology - White Full Spectrum
 
Smokeater said:
I forgot about that Canna, Thanks! I am looking forward to my harvest sooo much! Sorry I sounded like such an idiot.

I hope things start looking up for you in the near future.:circle-of-love:

My antics aside, I just wish I could help you out!
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Smokey, you and others help me just by being my friends and knowing you have the best wishes in mind! That's really all I need to bring a smile now and then.

You never, ever....ever ever.....EVER sound like an idiot. Discussions are a good thing, it's how problems are solved and ideas are put forth. What will and won't work gets thrown out there, and in the end.....it will work for YOU. Love ya!

:circle-of-love:
 
Smokey, try the topical as Shiggity posted. (when you are ready for it and have time, of course)
I have made some recently using some CCO in it, ripped my knee pretty bad day before yesterday and this topical is helping to keep the pain down at night when it gets locked up.
I really think it is helping to keep things moving properly.

:thumb:
 
Smoke, I didn't think you were rude at all! Just frustrated. You have this project on the hog train now.

The link to the pictures was not as helpful as your description. The pictures don't show what they call vent sleeves (3rd picture down) very well. It doesn't show any on the sides clearly. Are they near the top of the sides or near the bottom? A vent sleeve down low would be gold.

In the best of all possible worlds the air going both into and out of the 2x4 will pass through flexible ducting like came with your fan and filter. Do you have some of that left? Doing it that way will be much more light proof than using the velcro covered vents and would be pretty easy to do if things line up decently.

If there is no vent sleeve available near the bottom of the 4x2 the air in can come through the top of the 4x2 and the ducting can just hang down the internal corner of the tent so it lets air into the bottom of the tent without any of the velcro vent flaps being open. The velcro flaps are not very lightproof. For example, I have them on my 4x4 that sits in my home office. Even though they let a small amount of room light into the tent during lights off that light is dim and below the canopy. The light that can leak out of the 2x4 in your case might be more of a problem. Even though the velcro vents that were open would be in a tight space between the walls of the two tents there would be some concern that there would be some pretty significant light escaping.

If the flexible ducting for an air inlet doesn't line up, perhaps you could use duct tape or something similar to make a gasket between the two tents and use the velcro vents? That would also work pretty darn well.

If there are vent sleeves down low on the 2x4 and the big tent that basically line up then it would be the easiest. Just run a small piece of flexible duct between the two sleeves.

So, air into the veg tent can come in through flexible ducting from the top or bottom, or you can use duct tape or similar to make a light proof/airproof gasket between the two tents where they meet with velcro vents open on both the tents. Either way would be fine. I'd be leary of trying to use the velcro vents without a gasket. The light in the veg tent is way, way, more intense than light that leaks into the vents from a surrounding room...

Ok, that gets air into the 2x4. For airflow we also have to get air out of the 2x4. As mentioned in my last post, that may be as simple as running a 4-5' piece of flexible ducting out one of the vent sleeves in the top of the 2x4 and letting it flop over the side of the 2x4 and hang down close to the floor of the big tent. The bend in the ducting should prevent much light getting out. The dangling end of the ducting should be very close to the floor of the big tent. Negative pressure from the big exhaust fan will then pull incoming air through the 2x4 (from the bottom) and out the top. By dinking around with the vents on the big tent you should be able to get it to where when you are in inside the big tent with the doors all zipped up on both tents you can put you hand near the opening in the outgoing flexible ducting and feel a slight breeze. This will work with either the gasket or flexible ducting as an air intake strategy. Air that travels through the 4x2 will also be filtered preventing any odor issues.

There are two potential problems with the outgoing air from the 2x4:

One. There is too much light leaking out of the outgoing air duct.

Two, everything is set up but no air seems to be making it out of the duct.

If there is not enough air movement then a small fan could be used to pull air through the 2x4. It can probably be something as small as a computer fan installed in the end of the outgoing duct. A cheap inline fan is an option as well.

If the light is a problem then no worries. You simply run the outgoing ducting out one of the vent sleeves in the roof of the 8x4 and stick a fan on the roof of the 8x4 to pull the air out into the room. In that scenario the air wouldn't be scrubbed.

Remember, there is no huge hurry to get this all done. The important thing is that it all works! It's going to work. I may attempt to sketch what I've described later.

On another note, have you considered where and how you are gonna dry your harvest. It's literally a matter of days until it's time to chop, dry and trim your FIRST harvest.

:yahoo:

There are lots of ways to go about that.
 
Ha ha. I know you don't want help, but I just sent you a small gift to celebrate your upcoming harvest. It is not charity! It's just a little something (under $10.00) to congratulate you on the successful milestone.

What a huge accomplishment!
 
It really is a huge accomplishment I agree PeeJay. And I thank you for all the help you have given smokey. This is an obvious example of where cannabis should be legal so people could do their part in maintaining their own health. I am proud to be a part of this forum with you PeeJay and everyone else too. Smokey I just am so excited that harvest and trim is coming up. A minimal trim is all that is necessary. I don't trim my buds very much at all. And we don't want you hurting your back trimming the plant you are growing to help your back!
 
ShiggityFlip said:
Smokey, icemud posted a topic about making a cannabis topical rub with isopropyl alcohol and fresh leaves. He hasn't tried it out yet but it is a Mexican remedy for muscle pain. Since you are about to harvest you are going to have PLENTY of fresh leaves. If this is a workable medicine it will help you save more bud for CCO and your wife. Post #926

Icemud LED Grow Featuring The All New Budmaster COB Technology - White Full Spectrum
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Thanks for pointing us to that Shiggity, I blogged it in my topicals area.

:thanks:
 
Thank you guys for all the posts (I will read the about the rub that Shiggity got the bookmark for later to see if it will help the wife's arthritis, and I will answer all the rest later, I'm having a bad back day right now and am having difficulty concentrating about any one thing today. Sorry, I will be back to read and answer everything asap. Sorry about it, just having a bad day with the back.
 
Hey Smokey....guess what? We're going to be around here for a good long time, if you don't answer anything for a few days....we're still going to be here. But don't take longer than that to "check in". We would worry and you don't want us to do that, right?

Do not respond to this post today. I forbid it. Not allowed....I think there's a law....I'll get my law books out.

:laugh: Rest up dude.

:circle-of-love:
 
Smokeater said:
Welcome Sweethook! I have an activated Activated charcoal filter inside the tent attached to a fan that sits on top of the roof pulling all the air in the tent thru it. The filter is working great since the ventilation has no odor whatsoever. The only problem with them is they cost a bunch. If you look at this link you'll see what I'm referring too. The one I am showing you is almost exactly what I have.

VenTech 440 CFM 6" inch Inline Exhaust Blower Fan with Carbon Filter and Variable Speed Controller
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thanks smoke , that's the one I been looking at and for the money that's about the best one I see my room is 4.5ft by 4.5ft. by 7 tall. did you have any trouble hooking up the variable speed controller ? did it come with directions for that ? thanks sir
 
Sweethook. The speed controller is super easy. You plug the electrical cord for the fan into a socket on the controller, and plug the electrical cord for the speed controller into the electricitity.
 
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