My First Time Growing

Hi you guys. I've been up most of the night with my back and I just thought I'd let everyone know I'm OK, just hurting still (I just don't want anyone worrying about me, I'll be fine as soon as the discs realign a little or something like that). PJ, while I'm here I thought I would just let you know that unfortunately all the intake sleeves on the little tent are at the top and if necessary I can block anyone that doesn't get used and fill it in with a heavy black plastic to avoid light leaks, and Thank You for you gift, Your right, it's not too much and I know they will come in handy very shortly.

I'm going to try sleeping again now and hopefully be able to get some, It just sucks that this happened the day after I see the Doc because if it doesn't let up soon, I'll be going to have to go back to see him. It's really sore, and I just want to get back to my normal pain level that I'm used to. Oh well, that's enough for now, I'm gonna try sleeping again and wanted to say thanks to all of you for all the help and support you gave me the other day. I really do appreciate it! I'll try checking later to see if anything is up. Thanks again all, You guys! As soon as I feel a little better, it will be picture day again and I'll show you my girls again.
 
Ok, Smoke. No big deal about the vents only being on the top of the 2x4. I would have been surprised if there had been. My 2x4 is not up right now but I don't think it has vent sleeves on the bottom either. My 4x4 does, but not the 2x4.

Obviously, when you get the 2x4 inside the big tent you'll get inside the big tent with the doors closed so it's very dark, then turn on the light in the 2x4 and see where you have light leaks. Then you can do things to plug the leaks.

I run 8 T-5 bulbs (2 x 2' foot 4 bulb units) in a 2 foot width tent. The tent is 2x2 as opposed to you 4x2 but your fixtures are twice as long. Same basic light intensity per sq ft. I use that little tent for seedlings and clones.

When I first put that little tent up I didn't think I'd have to do any active (fan driven) venting since T-5s run cool. Unfortunately, when I turned on the lights the temperature inside the closed up tent quickly went up to 100-105 degrees. Ouch. I added a tiny fan extracting air and the temps quickly dropped to a degree or two above ambient room temperature.

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That's why we have to give some thought to moving air through the veg tent. I don't think it will need to have tons of air movement, but it will need some.

In a veg tent we don't care if there are light leaks. In flower it can become a big issue if too much light gets to the plants during lights out. It can cause the flowering plants to go hermie and you don't want that. There will be ~ 6 hours a day that the lights are on in the veg tent but off in the flower side.

When the flowering lights are on you can just have the front of the veg tent open and a regular fan like the one you have in the bookcase moving air. You would have to go in there every day at flowering lights out and close the veg tent up tight as a drum. And, you'd still have the issue of it getting too hot in the veg tent, maybe. The T-5 you got has a switch which turns off half the bulbs. You might could use that if there are heat problems. Frankly, it would be better if the veg tent ran cool by moving air through from outside the big tent, through the veg tent, and dumped into the big tent - all without leaking light into the flower area while the flowering lights are off and the veg lights are on.

Since the 2x4 only has vent sleeves on top you could use flexible ducting passing through the vent sleeve and down into the veg tent. It would not be a problem making the joints between the sleeves and ducting light proof. They're designed for that.

The down side to drawing in air from the top like that is that the area between the ceiling and the big tent will be quite a few degrees warmer than the air at floor level.

I'm thinking that the best option is to make a light and air proof gasket where the back of the veg tent butts up to the big tent. The velcro vents can then be opened on the back of the veg tent and the big tent in the gasketed space. Does that make sense? Light escaping from the 2x4 vents would be contained in the gasketed space. Think duct tape or similar.

Ok. That gives air a way in with no light leaks. Now we have to get the air out. Out going air can either get dumped into the big tent or, it can be pulled with a little fan on the roof of big ten through flexible ducting and dumped into the room. I kinda like dumping it into the big tent. It remains to be seen if the big inline fan will generate enough negative pressure in the big tent to pull air through the veg tent. If it doesn't then you'll need to add an inexpensive inline fan to help pull the air through.

Take it easy on the back. Hey, that crawl space under your house may be a nice dark place to hang and dry your harvest. Have you thought of where you are going to dry your meds?
 
If a fan is necessary to move air through the veg tent you'd mentioned an inexpensive inline duct fan. Most of the inexpensive ones only move about 50 cfm. A better bet would be something like you see in the picture of my little tent. It's a 4.5" axial fan that moves 120cfm. Powerful compared to the inlines and cheaper, too.

Look at this FAN.

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PeeJay said:
:rofl:

I just read through that last post. It all makes perfect sense to me but I'm not sure anyone else can make hide nor hair of it!
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I got the "hide" part, I'm reading again to get the "hair".

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PeeJay said:
:rofl:

I just read through that last post. It all makes perfect sense to me but I'm not sure anyone else can make hide nor hair of it!
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It does to me. For the vent slots/air intakes at the bottom of the 2x4 tent, I was thinking about the dark foam air filters they use on a shop vac. I went to my shop vac to see how light opaque they are, but the handfuls of dust around the filter blocked all the light. It's too close to bedtime to do an adequate investigation tonight :)



PeeJay said:
If a fan is necessary to move air through the veg tent you'd mentioned an inexpensive inline duct fan. Most of the inexpensive ones only move about 50 cfm. A better bet would be something like you see in the picture of my little tent. It's a 4.5" axial fan that moves 120cfm. Powerful compared to the inlines and cheaper, too.

Look at this FAN.
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That is a beautiful fan. My cheap inline fan may be rated for 50CFM, but it seems to move about 3 CFM. - I want that fan for my next room/tent intake!
 
PeeJay said:
Ok, Smoke. No big deal about the vents only being on the top of the 2x4. I would have been surprised if there had been. My 2x4 is not up right now but I don't think it has vent sleeves on the bottom either. My 4x4 does, but not the 2x4.

Obviously, when you get the 2x4 inside the big tent you'll get inside the big tent with the doors closed so it's very dark, then turn on the light in the 2x4 and see where you have light leaks. Then you can do things to plug the leaks.

I run 8 T-5 bulbs (2 x 2' foot 4 bulb units) in a 2 foot width tent. The tent is 2x2 as opposed to you 4x2 but your fixtures are twice as long. Same basic light intensity per sq ft. I use that little tent for seedlings and clones.

When I first put that little tent up I didn't think I'd have to do any active (fan driven) venting since T-5s run cool. Unfortunately, when I turned on the lights the temperature inside the closed up tent quickly went up to 100-105 degrees. Ouch. I added a tiny fan extracting air and the temps quickly dropped to a degree or two above ambient room temperature.

20151112_122157.jpg


20150923_113651.jpg


That's why we have to give some thought to moving air through the veg tent. I don't think it will need to have tons of air movement, but it will need some.

In a veg tent we don't care if there are light leaks. In flower it can become a big issue if too much light gets to the plants during lights out. It can cause the flowering plants to go hermie and you don't want that. There will be ~ 6 hours a day that the lights are on in the veg tent but off in the flower side.

When the flowering lights are on you can just have the front of the veg tent open and a regular fan like the one you have in the bookcase moving air. You would have to go in there every day at flowering lights out and close the veg tent up tight as a drum. And, you'd still have the issue of it getting too hot in the veg tent, maybe. The T-5 you got has a switch which turns off half the bulbs. You might could use that if there are heat problems. Frankly, it would be better if the veg tent ran cool by moving air through from outside the big tent, through the veg tent, and dumped into the big tent - all without leaking light into the flower area while the flowering lights are off and the veg lights are on.

Since the 2x4 only has vent sleeves on top you could use flexible ducting passing through the vent sleeve and down into the veg tent. It would not be a problem making the joints between the sleeves and ducting light proof. They're designed for that.

The down side to drawing in air from the top like that is that the area between the ceiling and the big tent will be quite a few degrees warmer than the air at floor level.

I'm thinking that the best option is to make a light and air proof gasket where the back of the veg tent butts up to the big tent. The velcro vents can then be opened on the back of the veg tent and the big tent in the gasketed space. Does that make sense? Light escaping from the 2x4 vents would be contained in the gasketed space. Think duct tape or similar.

Ok. That gives air a way in with no light leaks. Now we have to get the air out. Out going air can either get dumped into the big tent or, it can be pulled with a little fan on the roof of big ten through flexible ducting and dumped into the room. I kinda like dumping it into the big tent. It remains to be seen if the big inline fan will generate enough negative pressure in the big tent to pull air through the veg tent. If it doesn't then you'll need to add an inexpensive inline fan to help pull the air through.

Take it easy on the back. Hey, that crawl space under your house may be a nice dark place to hang and dry your harvest. Have you thought of where you are going to dry your meds?
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Sorry, mistaken post
 
Axial fans are great for intake. You can even pair them up in a square to round fitting for exhaust. Most are normally a variable speed motor so they can work with speed controls. They don't draw a lot of amps so the speed control can even be a cheap rheostat in most cases. They can also handle some resistance due to filtration. In short. They live for freakin' ever :) They used to be kind of expensive. I had no idea they were that cheap now. I work in an industry where I see these come in on decommissioned equipment about every other year. I always make sure to grab them before it goes to the scrap yard lol.

Hey Rad :) Avoid the black foam in this case. Just go to a box store and grab a cheap 1" pleated filter and cut the media out. Make sure it says "electrostatic media" "MERV 8 Rating". You'll get less resistance. Better filtration. Oh gad I could ramble more but I gotta go to lunch :bong:
 
PeeJay said:
Ok, Smoke. No big deal about the vents only being on the top of the 2x4. I would have been surprised if there had been. My 2x4 is not up right now but I don't think it has vent sleeves on the bottom either. My 4x4 does, but not the 2x4.

Obviously, when you get the 2x4 inside the big tent you'll get inside the big tent with the doors closed so it's very dark, then turn on the light in the 2x4 and see where you have light leaks. Then you can do things to plug the leaks.

I run 8 T-5 bulbs (2 x 2' foot 4 bulb units) in a 2 foot width tent. The tent is 2x2 as opposed to you 4x2 but your fixtures are twice as long. Same basic light intensity per sq ft. I use that little tent for seedlings and clones.

When I first put that little tent up I didn't think I'd have to do any active (fan driven) venting since T-5s run cool. Unfortunately, when I turned on the lights the temperature inside the closed up tent quickly went up to 100-105 degrees. Ouch. I added a tiny fan extracting air and the temps quickly dropped to a degree or two above ambient room temperature.





That's why we have to give some thought to moving air through the veg tent. I don't think it will need to have tons of air movement, but it will need some.

In a veg tent we don't care if there are light leaks. In flower it can become a big issue if too much light gets to the plants during lights out. It can cause the flowering plants to go hermie and you don't want that. There will be ~ 6 hours a day that the lights are on in the veg tent but off in the flower side.

When the flowering lights are on you can just have the front of the veg tent open and a regular fan like the one you have in the bookcase moving air. You would have to go in there every day at flowering lights out and close the veg tent up tight as a drum. And, you'd still have the issue of it getting too hot in the veg tent, maybe. The T-5 you got has a switch which turns off half the bulbs. You might could use that if there are heat problems. Frankly, it would be better if the veg tent ran cool by moving air through from outside the big tent, through the veg tent, and dumped into the big tent - all without leaking light into the flower area while the flowering lights are off and the veg lights are on.

Since the 2x4 only has vent sleeves on top you could use flexible ducting passing through the vent sleeve and down into the veg tent. It would not be a problem making the joints between the sleeves and ducting light proof. They're designed for that.

The down side to drawing in air from the top like that is that the area between the ceiling and the big tent will be quite a few degrees warmer than the air at floor level.

I'm thinking that the best option is to make a light and air proof gasket where the back of the veg tent butts up to the big tent. The velcro vents can then be opened on the back of the veg tent and the big tent in the gasketed space. Does that make sense? Light escaping from the 2x4 vents would be contained in the gasketed space. Think duct tape or similar.

Ok. That gives air a way in with no light leaks. Now we have to get the air out. Out going air can either get dumped into the big tent or, it can be pulled with a little fan on the roof of big ten through flexible ducting and dumped into the room. I kinda like dumping it into the big tent. It remains to be seen if the big inline fan will generate enough negative pressure in the big tent to pull air through the veg tent. If it doesn't then you'll need to add an inexpensive inline fan to help pull the air through.

Take it easy on the back. Hey, that crawl space under your house may be a nice dark place to hang and dry your harvest. Have you thought of where you are going to dry your meds?
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Smokeater said:
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I was just checking in to ask you guys for an opinion, But PJ, thank you so much for coming up with a plan for me on circulating the air in the smaller tent, and thought about what you said in the post and the sleeves on the tent. The intake holes will let the 4" duct fit all the way through, It will take a while to get the tent up anyways (since my son is getting his butt kicked at work and I just don't have heart to ask him do more more at the end of a bad day's he's had). But that would also give me a chance to save up and get a cheap inline fan from H.D. that looks like a garbage can with no lid or botton, is 4" in diameter and has a fan inside. I was thinking of attaching the fan on the top and pulling the air out from the top (I sometimes get up to 85 degrees in the tent just using the fan I have in there It's just a thought and am curious if to you that sounds it better or worse since . Either way I'm going to have to get a fan, and I like the back vent idea. I haven't thought a lot on harvesting yet, but what I was planning on using is a shelve in a wooden wardrobe that been cleaned and is dry dark and a little warm.

Anyways here my question I logged on for, I know these are tough plants, but when I check the clone from the top I saw this:

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Than I checked underneath here:

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Does this plant have enough roots to transplant it? I really don't want to do it today because my back sucks still. But let me know what you guys think about the clone and whether it should be transplanted right away o maybe tomorrow?

Thanks all of you, I'm signing off for a while to take it easy again and will check later to see if I got responses. Thanks again to all of you.
 
Yes, Smoke, the clone can go into dirt anytime now but is fine in the cloner a bit longer, too.

Venting out the top will work fine. The most important thing, I think, is some sort of gasket that sequesters the velcro flaps so air going into the veg tent is coming from the room and not the big tent.

Is this the kind of fan you're talking about? This is a cheapo inline that I tried. I think it was only about $10 and then I had to wire a cord to it. Loud and weak it was quickly replaced by the little axial fan.

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It's been in a closet since I tried it. Still have the receipt and keep forgetting to return it....

The closet for drying sounds ideal!

I'm pretty sure you're in your harvest window. It would be good to chop Harley or Casey (which ever looks most done) and get that Amnesia into flower.

By chopping one of the two early in the harvest window and letting the other go longer you'll learn a lot about the best time to harvest.

As always, there is no hurry on any of this.
 
Smokeater said:
I was just checking in to ask you guys for an opinion, But PJ, thank you so much for coming up with a plan for me on circulating the air in the smaller tent, and thought about what you said in the post and the sleeves on the tent. The intake holes will let the 4" duct fit all the way through, It will take a while to get the tent up anyways (since my son is getting his butt kicked at work and I just don't have heart to ask him do more more at the end of a bad day's he's had). But that would also give me a chance to save up and get a cheap inline fan from H.D. that looks like a garbage can with no lid or botton, is 4" in diameter and has a fan inside.
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I have one of those cheap 4" inline fans from H.D. - they are almost useless junk. I recommend you don't buy one.

I was holding one in my hand about an hour ago debating whether to throw the whole thing away, or remove the plug, save the cord and throw the unit away. I decided to wait until tomorrow to decide.

The fan works as good as new - which means an old fashioned rubber band powered glider fan moves more air. Heck, a USB powered computer screen attached fan moves more air. Attaching fan blades to a hamster wheel would do more cooling.


Smokeater said:
Anyways here my question I logged on for, I know these are tough plants, but when I check the clone from the top I saw this:

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Than I checked underneath here:
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If you put the rubber/neoprene disks in all the holes, even when empty, you will have less water splashing and evaporation from the bucket.

A little pushed in didn't hurt the clone.




Smokeater said:
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Does this plant have enough roots to transplant it? I really don't want to do it today because my back sucks still. But let me know what you guys think about the clone and whether it should be transplanted right away o maybe tomorrow?

Thanks all of you, I'm signing off for a while to take it easy again and will check later to see if I got responses. Thanks again to all of you.
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Can the clone be planted? - Absolutly, whenever you are ready. She has been probably ready to plant for 4-5 days.

MUST the clone be planted? Nope. You can wait weeks with no issues. After two weeks or so you will notice the roots getting thinner, longer, and possibly yellower, but this clone will transplant just fine - even if you leave her in there for a month or more.


Plant whenever you are ready. The clone will wait for you.
 
Radogast said:
I have one of those cheap 4" inline fans from H.D. - they are almost useless junk. I recommend you don't buy one.

I was holding one in my hand about an hour ago debating whether to throw the whole thing away, or remove the plug, save the cord and throw the unit away. I decided to wait until tomorrow to decide.

The fan works as good as new - which means an old fashioned rubber band powered glider fan moves more air. Heck, a USB powered computer screen attached fan moves more air. Attaching fan blades to a hamster wheel would do more cooling.
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Must be a Dayton :rofl:
 
PeeJay said:
Yes, Smoke, the clone can go into dirt anytime now but is fine in the cloner a bit longer, too.

Venting out the top will work fine. The most important thing, I think, is some sort of gasket that sequesters the velcro flaps so air going into the veg tent is coming from the room and not the big tent.

Is this the kind of fan you're talking about? This is a cheapo inline that I tried. I think it was only about $10 and then I had to wire a cord to it. Loud and weak it was quickly replaced by the little axial fan.

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It's been in a closet since I tried it. Still have the receipt and keep forgetting to return it....

The closet for drying sounds ideal!

I'm pretty sure you're in your harvest window. It would be good to chop Harley or Casey (which ever looks most done) and get that Amnesia into flower.

By chopping one of the two early in the harvest window and letting the other go longer you'll learn a lot about the best time to harvest.

As always, there is no hurry on any of this.
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Yes, that's the type of fan I was talking about, but from what Rad writes I see it's a waste of money. I think your original fan you showed me is probably better then, Unless I wait a little longer, save enough to get the type like I have now on top of my little tent. They are around $65.00 on cramazon (Plus the speed controller). It would just take me longer to enlarge, which I don't mind waiting for a nicer setup. We will just have to get by the way we are for the next couple months. PJ, after the buds are cut off, (If I can get her over near my chair, I'm gonna harvest her like you said tonight, Is there anything I need to do after I harvest the buds? I've heard of washing them, but I assume that's more for people who have had problems with pests and had to use something on the buds to get rid of them?
After I remove Harley, The Amnesia i going right in. I will check back in a little while when my back feels a little better.
 
Radogast said:
I have one of those cheap 4" inline fans from H.D. - they are almost useless junk. I recommend you don't buy one.

I was holding one in my hand about an hour ago debating whether to throw the whole thing away, or remove the plug, save the cord and throw the unit away. I decided to wait until tomorrow to decide.

The fan works as good as new - which means an old fashioned rubber band powered glider fan moves more air. Heck, a USB powered computer screen attached fan moves more air. Attaching fan blades to a hamster wheel would do more cooling.




If you put the rubber/neoprene disks in all the holes, even when empty, you will have less water splashing and evaporation from the bucket.

A little pushed in didn't hurt the clone.






Can the clone be planted? - Absolutly, whenever you are ready. She has been probably ready to plant for 4-5 days.

MUST the clone be planted? Nope. You can wait weeks with no issues. After two weeks or so you will notice the roots getting thinner, longer, and possibly yellower, but this clone will transplant just fine - even if you leave her in there for a month or more.


Plant whenever you are ready. The clone will wait for you.
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Thanks Radogast, I appreciate the input. If definitely helped make up my mind, I had no idea they were as bad as that. Thank You!
 
Washing is an optional step and you'd need at least 2 and better yet 3 big plastic buckets, a cup of lemon juice, and ~1/4 cup of baking soda. Since dragging big buckets of water around would not be the best thing for you just skip it. Your plant has had no pests and was grown indoors. You can try washing another time and see if you think it makes a difference.

What you want to do is cut off branches. Follow a major branch down the stem as far as you can and cut the whole branch off. You'll have something like this. Your long branch may have side branches too. That's no biggie. You can hang the whole large branch with side branches attached.

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Next, pull off all the big fan leaves (any leaf with stem on it.) You can use your fingers to pluck them off. These leaves don't have a ton of medicinal value but you can save them for making some of the liniment Shiggity was talking about. Put them in a ziplock bag or similar and freeze them.

Here is the branch with the fan leaves pulled off.

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The branch can now be hung upside down in the dark closet to dry. I don't have a picture of branches hanging, but I'm sure you've seen some around. Maybe if someone else has one they'll post it.

There is no need to do the whole plant in one go. If you get knackered you can just put the plant back in the flower tent and it will be fine until you want to trim a little more.

No doubt you're excited to do this Smoke! Don't do more than you should. If you need to take another day or two to get the back pain settled down it's not going to hurt anything.
 
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