My First Plant - Cookie Killer (Auto)

[improvise]

You will get better and learn through physical doing it many times.
Welcome from the UK and enjoy the journey. And nice plant.
Regards

 

[Trump]

Just as a follow -up note: Looking at how good she looks overall and her buds in particular . . . giving her the cocktail, trimming her diseased leaves and backing off with light intensity were all correct actions.

Especially backing off the light. She and the buds just look happier since I did that if that makes any sense.

Look into some of the cannabis specific nutrients, both synthetic and organic, and take note of the nutrient ratios they use. This will help guide you in tailoring your own ratios once you get better acquainted to how your plant signals you what it wants. The guide I sent you will give you a general idea as to where you want to raise certain ratios within the mix.

 

[Terrapin Station]

Look into some of the cannabis specific nutrients, both synthetic and organic, and take note of the nutrient ratios they use. This will help guide you in tailoring your own ratios once you get better acquainted to how your plant signals you what it wants. The guide I sent you will give you a general idea as to where you want to raise certain ratios within the mix.

Got it.

You know, it's funny but it's not . . . I've learned so much in such a short time . . . But if I would have been left alone to my own devices, when this plant first got into trouble I would have sprayed it with a fungicide.

Thanks man

 

[Terrapin Station]

It's not my imagination, since raising the lights two days ago, these buds are exploding into a real cola

 

[Trump]

So here's a stab in the dark as to what may have been going on.

@Keffka was right in that your soil got depleted due to the plants voracious appetite.

@Azimuth called the calcium deficiency.

Plant pulled whatever nutrition was in the soil. The time release wasn't able to keep up with plant needs. First to get pulled was Calcium and was also first to show up as deficient. I would imagine the others weren't far behind and the only reason they didn't present sooner was because of the initial 0-10-10 feed refortifying P and K for the moment. The Cal deficiency was just a symptom of the real issue which was soil nutrient depletion. Half strength feed gave the plant immediate, if not short lived, relief. Subsequent feedings have built a small reservoir of nutrient in the soil for the plant to use along with satiating it's immediate needs. Plant is falling back into its normal routine now that it has the nutrient it needs and you're seeing accelerated flower growth because of it. In addition, the PPFD was too high and it was stressing the plant out stunting flower growth. Now that the light energy is more in tune to what the plant likes it is not stressed and can continue to grow as it does.

Light, Food, Environment. All starting to fall into balance.

Another rule in cannabis cultivation......More is not always better. Balance.

 

[Azimuth]

So here's a stab in the dark as to what may have been going on.

@Keffka was right in that your soil got depleted due to the plants voracious appetite.

@Azimuth called the calcium deficiency.

Plant pulled whatever nutrition was in the soil. The time release wasn't able to keep up with plant needs. First to get pulled was Calcium and was also first to show up as deficient. I would imagine the others weren't far behind and the only reason they didn't present sooner was because of the initial 0-10-10 feed refortifying P and K for the moment. The Cal deficiency was just a symptom of the real issue which was soil nutrient depletion. Half strength feed gave the plant immediate, if not short lived, relief. Subsequent feedings have built a small reservoir of nutrient in the soil for the plant to use along with satiating it's immediate needs. Plant is falling back into its normal routine now that it has the nutrient it needs and you're seeing accelerated flower growth because of it. In addition, the PPFD was too high and it was stressing the plant out stunting flower growth. Now that the light energy is more in tune to what the plant likes it is not stressed and can continue to grow as it does.

Light, Food, Environment. All starting to fall into balance.

Another rule in cannabis cultivation......More is not always better. Balance.

Good analysis, @Trump . I think you nailed it.

 

[Terrapin Station]

So here's a stab in the dark as to what may have been going on.

@Keffka was right in that your soil got depleted due to the plants voracious appetite.

@Azimuth called the calcium deficiency.

Plant pulled whatever nutrition was in the soil. The time release wasn't able to keep up with plant needs. First to get pulled was Calcium and was also first to show up as deficient. I would imagine the others weren't far behind and the only reason they didn't present sooner was because of the initial 0-10-10 feed refortifying P and K for the moment. The Cal deficiency was just a symptom of the real issue which was soil nutrient depletion. Half strength feed gave the plant immediate, if not short lived, relief. Subsequent feedings have built a small reservoir of nutrient in the soil for the plant to use along with satiating it's immediate needs. Plant is falling back into its normal routine now that it has the nutrient it needs and you're seeing accelerated flower growth because of it. In addition, the PPFD was too high and it was stressing the plant out stunting flower growth. Now that the light energy is more in tune to what the plant likes it is not stressed and can continue to grow as it does.

Light, Food, Environment. All starting to fall into balance.

Another rule in cannabis cultivation......More is not always better. Balance.

Wow. Just Wow! What a gift for my grow journal and me going forward. You're pretty sophisticated for a burn out man. Thanks so much man

 

[Trump]

Wow. Just Wow! What a gift for my grow journal and me going forward. You're pretty sophisticated for a burn out man. Thanks so much man

BTW what is the ratio you are currently feeding your plant? For the initial feed(s) you did a 5-6-6 going full fish emulsion at 5-1-1 with half strength Morbloom which is 0-10-10.

The plant seems to be recovering nicely from its deficiency. On your next feed you may want to increase the Morbloom as it has the nutrient ions the plant is going to want for flower, as @Bill284 had mentioned earlier in the thread. Maybe increase it to 3/4 rather than 1/2 on the Morbloom.

The N in the fish emulsion is a bit high but your soil got depleted so I don't mind adding in a little extra N to keep the new growth green. A full fish with 3/4 Morbloom will get you to 5-8.5-8.5. I think this would be a good ratio to run to harvest, without having to buy anything else. Full strength Cal/Mag until the last few weeks before harvest. Taper down nutes in those last 3 weeks 1/4 each week. If your flowers still have a week or two left to ripen you can stay at 1/4 or go just water until they are ripe.

If you want to test the plant to see how much light you can give it raise your PPFD to 725 if you set it to 700 and see how the plant reacts but give it a week or so to fully recover.

 

[Keffka]

So here's a stab in the dark as to what may have been going on.

@Keffka was right in that your soil got depleted due to the plants voracious appetite.

@Azimuth called the calcium deficiency.

Plant pulled whatever nutrition was in the soil. The time release wasn't able to keep up with plant needs. First to get pulled was Calcium and was also first to show up as deficient. I would imagine the others weren't far behind and the only reason they didn't present sooner was because of the initial 0-10-10 feed refortifying P and K for the moment. The Cal deficiency was just a symptom of the real issue which was soil nutrient depletion. Half strength feed gave the plant immediate, if not short lived, relief. Subsequent feedings have built a small reservoir of nutrient in the soil for the plant to use along with satiating it's immediate needs. Plant is falling back into its normal routine now that it has the nutrient it needs and you're seeing accelerated flower growth because of it. In addition, the PPFD was too high and it was stressing the plant out stunting flower growth. Now that the light energy is more in tune to what the plant likes it is not stressed and can continue to grow as it does.

Light, Food, Environment. All starting to fall into balance.

Another rule in cannabis cultivation......More is not always better. Balance.

Basically all of this.

Soil is pretty standard when it comes to growing cannabis. It doesn’t matter if you buy a 30$ dollar bag of super premium platinum cannabis soil, or a 10$ bag of basic miracle gro. The container size is almost always going to dictate how long the nutrition will last before depletion. This is due to a variety of factors (I can expand on this if anyone would like), but if you want to grow in a soil without adding anything extra you’ll almost always HAVE to use at bare minimum a 15 gallon container.

Lots of soils don’t outright explain or cover this. If you go digging for their feeding charts you may find it, but it’s not a guarantee. Even the time release nutrient stuff doesn’t make much difference.

This is because in most soils, growing organically, the nutrients are already on a time release program. They’ve been bound up and are waiting for a signal from the plant and microbes that it’s time for a specific nutrient. In an amended soil this is perfect because there’s enough there when the plant calls for it. In a small container with something like MG, the plant has already used it up before the time release can even happen. This is especially true when a plant has grown to fill its container.

Those roots aren’t going to sit around and wait for the time release. They’re going to break into whatever it is and take it, or they’re going to outgrow it so much it’s worthless

If you want to grow in anything less than a 15 gallon container, then something has to be changed. This is part of the balance @Trump mentioned. If you see @Gee64 and I talk about growing, you’ll find the word balance, in almost every single statement we make, or piece of advice we give. If you go lower than 15 gallons you must either highly amend your soil, or you must spike your container with extremely powerful amendments like the meals (blood, bone, feather, etc.) and minerals. The smaller the container the more powerful the spikes.

If you don’t do this then you need a nutrient plan. Whether it’s a top dress like @GeoFlora Nutrients or a liquid plan like advanced nutrients something needs to be feeding because the plant already ate everything else.

I grow in 10 gallon containers with highly mineralized and amended soil, and use a light top dressing. I do this so I don’t have to spike my containers or use teas. If you’re following along you’ll see that for every change away from the 15 gallon I make, I have to increase something else. Balance.

You won’t see organic guys growing in containers less than 7 gallons without them utilizing powerful spikes, teas, and more often than not, clones. If you do see them growing in less than 7 and they don’t make those changes, you’ll get to see them rescue a plant like I did in my first two journals. It’s more often than not related to carbon but that’s getting way down into the organic details and is meant for a more detailed conversation.

This all becomes second nature after a while, because this is literally nature. This is where we evolved from. Once you get it, it’s like you’ve unlocked knowledge you already had versus actually learning something new.

It seems like a lot at first. Especially because you can just as easily go to the store, buy some coco, a nutrient line, small containers, and grow some decent plants without ever thinking about anything more than measuring liquid and following a chart. However, there are a literal ton of benefits that come from learning to grow with the planet instead of against it, but it’s gotta be something you want to do.

 

[Terrapin Station]

BTW what is the ratio you are currently feeding your plant? For the initial feed(s) you did a 5-6-6 going full fish emulsion at 5-1-1 with half strength Morbloom which is 0-10-10.

The plant seems to be recovering nicely from its deficiency. On your next feed you may want to increase the Morbloom as it has the nutrient ions the plant is going to want for flower, as @Bill284 had mentioned earlier in the thread. Maybe increase it to 3/4 rather than 1/2 on the Morbloom.

The N in the fish emulsion is a bit high but your soil got depleted so I don't mind adding in a little extra N to keep the new growth green. A full fish with 3/4 Morbloom will get you to 5-8.5-8.5. I think this would be a good ratio to run to harvest, without having to buy anything else. Full strength Cal/Mag until the last few weeks before harvest. Taper down nutes in those last 3 weeks 1/4 each week. If your flowers still have a week or two left to ripen you can stay at 1/4 or go just water until they are ripe.

If you want to test the plant to see how much light you can give it raise your PPFD to 725 if you set it to 700 and see how the plant reacts but give it a week or so to fully recover.

I ended up going 50% of the original cocktail which makes it 2.5-3-3.

That sounds good about increasing the Morebloom and having 5-8.5-8.5 and then tapering down the last 3 weeks.

I think I'm a little chicken to change the lights now because these buds have literally doubled in size in about the last 24 hours. If there is a sweet spot for my root bound MG plant I think we might have found it. I guess I'm open to increasing to 725 PPFD but with the way these buds are exploding I'm a little apprehensive.

I wish I had a before picture to show, but here's the after that I attribute to lowering the light intensity.

Also the top bud started growing white pistils again that look fresh as opposed to all brown and dried pistils when it was 961 PPFD.

 

[Trump]

No problem. Leave her where she is and continue monitoring her.

 

[Terrapin Station]

Basically all of this.

Soil is pretty standard when it comes to growing cannabis. It doesn’t matter if you buy a 30$ dollar bag of super premium platinum cannabis soil, or a 10$ bag of basic miracle gro. The container size is almost always going to dictate how long the nutrition will last before depletion. This is due to a variety of factors (I can expand on this if anyone would like), but if you want to grow in a soil without adding anything extra you’ll almost always HAVE to use at bare minimum a 15 gallon container.

Lots of soils don’t outright explain or cover this. If you go digging for their feeding charts you may find it, but it’s not a guarantee. Even the time release nutrient stuff doesn’t make much difference.

This is because in most soils, growing organically, the nutrients are already on a time release program. They’ve been bound up and are waiting for a signal from the plant and microbes that it’s time for a specific nutrient. In an amended soil this is perfect because there’s enough there when the plant calls for it. In a small container with something like MG, the plant has already used it up before the time release can even happen. This is especially true when a plant has grown to fill its container.

Those roots aren’t going to sit around and wait for the time release. They’re going to break into whatever it is and take it, or they’re going to outgrow it so much it’s worthless

If you want to grow in anything less than a 15 gallon container, then something has to be changed. This is part of the balance @Trump mentioned. If you see @Gee64 and I talk about growing, you’ll find the word balance, in almost every single statement we make, or piece of advice we give. If you go lower than 15 gallons you must either highly amend your soil, or you must spike your container with extremely powerful amendments like the meals (blood, bone, feather, etc.) and minerals. The smaller the container the more powerful the spikes.

If you don’t do this then you need a nutrient plan. Whether it’s a top dress like @GeoFlora Nutrients or a liquid plan like advanced nutrients something needs to be feeding because the plant already ate everything else.

I grow in 10 gallon containers with highly mineralized and amended soil, and use a light top dressing. I do this so I don’t have to spike my containers or use teas. If you’re following along you’ll see that for every change away from the 15 gallon I make, I have to increase something else. Balance.

You won’t see organic guys growing in containers less than 7 gallons without them utilizing powerful spikes, teas, and more often than not, clones. If you do see them growing in less than 7 and they don’t make those changes, you’ll get to see them rescue a plant like I did in my first two journals. It’s more often than not related to carbon but that’s getting way down into the organic details and is meant for a more detailed conversation.

This all becomes second nature after a while, because this is literally nature. This is where we evolved from. Once you get it, it’s like you’ve unlocked knowledge you already had versus actually learning something new.

It seems like a lot at first. Especially because you can just as easily go to the store, buy some coco, a nutrient line, small containers, and grow some decent plants without ever thinking about anything more than measuring liquid and following a chart. However, there are a literal ton of benefits that come from learning to grow with the planet instead of against it, but it’s gotta be something you want to do.

This is something I want to do. I really like what you said about Nature and growing with Mother Earth instead of against Her. Yes, balance. I appreciate having the understanding that the plant calls for things as she needs them I'm reading about this in a book now.

Your post is very timely because I'm planning my spring/summer outdoor grow now. I've been wondering about container size.

I need to check out your journals. I appreciate this, "

If you're following along you’ll see that for every change away from the 15 gallon I make, I have to increase something else. Balance.

Thanks Man!

 

[Terrapin Station]

My plant is cruising on auto pilot now with no issues.

So my attention is turning towards harvesting now. From what I can see from reading since my plant is a hybrid if I want it to be sativa forward I will harvest it when the resin in the trichomes is about 100% cloudy. And if I want it to be indica forward I will harvest it when the resin is 70% cloudy and 30% amber.

Does this sound right?

Here is the current situation.

 

[Trump]

The more amber, generally, the more narcotic the effect. More amber means more couch lock.

 

[Azimuth]

The more amber, generally, the more narcotic the effect. More amber means more couch lock.

Which is actually the THC degrading into CBN, the sleepy time cannabinoid.

 

[Terrapin Station]

@Azimuth @Trump

I just looked up couch lock and that explains yesterday. I got some indica at the dispensary yesterday for the first time. I came home and tried it and ended up laying down and watching two movies back to back. I never watch movies. I remember thinking I have never been so one with the couch before. It wasn't cool really because I don't like to lay around. I'm thinking about trying to mix this indica bud with a sativa bud for my next try.

Sometimes my sativa forward stuff gets me too anxious and sometimes it's an intense ride up immediately. But I like that it keeps me active and having more fun.

Maybe I'll try harvest at 90% cloudy and 10% amber?

 

[Azimuth]

@Azimuth @Trump

I just looked up couch lock and that explains yesterday. I got some indica at the dispensary yesterday for the first time. I came home and tried it and ended up laying down and watching two movies back to back. I never watch movies. I remember thinking I have never been so one with the couch before. It wasn't cool really because I don't like to lay around. I'm thinking about trying to mix this indica bud with a sativa bud for my next try.

Sometimes my sativa forward stuff gets me too anxious and sometimes it's an intense ride up immediately. But I like that it keeps me active and having more fun.

Maybe I'll try harvest at 90% cloudy and 10% amber?

Best way to do that is a staggered harvest. Take some bud at different stages, label them well and cure them properly. Then try each and determine which you like the best.

 

[Terrapin Station]

Best way to do that is a staggered harvest. Take some bud at different stages, label them well and cure them properly. Then try each and determine which you like the best.

This makes way too much sense.

 

[Terrapin Station]

WEEK: #9

The buds have slowed way down in vertical growth but are still getting fatter at a good rate. It's about time to water her again now and I'll be increasing morebloom to 3/4 strength as opposed to 1/2 strength last time.

If I'm understanding things correctly, I'll run full strength cal/mag until harvest and will start backing down the other nutes the last few weeks.

Also the newest sugar leaves on the top bud are a nice green and look healthy so I raised the PPFD from 700 to 725 to see how that goes.

 

[Trump]

How's the other seed doing? Has it popped yet?