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It looks like I'm in over my head again here, but for what it's worth it said 6 months on the bag (a 6 QT. bag) and I used almost the whole bag.
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It looks like I'm in over my head again here, but for what it's worth it said 6 months on the bag (a 6 QT. bag) and I used almost the whole bag.
Trump
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Certainly a possibility. I think it would be best to tackle the issue one by one. Calcium deficiency was the first symptom that popped up. Foliar Cal/Mag first. As you know, calcium and magnesium deficiencies in cannabis are pretty common. The effects of the foliar spray should be evident after about 24 -48 hrs. If no change or worsening then a 1/2 strength feed.
The fertilizer he has now has zero N. If his soil has been depleted of nutrient ions then he needs a more balanced ratio which includes N. I'm not an organic farmer so the only easily available organic fertilizer that comes to mind would be something like Dr. Earth Flower Girl Bloom Booster. It has a 3-9-4 ratio which should be sufficient to re-up his soil nutrient profile.
edit**** Oops! Just saw the fish fertilizer. Maybe a full strength fish with a half strength 0-10-10 blend on feed? This would work out to a 5-6-6 feed.
Gotcha! Yes, leaf cannibalization could be occurring, but I would think that would present as crispy edges in the beginning rather than leaf discoloration.
What's baffling me is that the tips or near the tips are showing a lot of the discoloration from what I can see in the pics which suggests to me a tox similar to tip burn due to lockout. He did half strength 0-10-10 feeds. According to the Mulders chart high P will lockout calcium and vice a versa. The first symptoms we saw looked like cal lockout.
Trump
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One other thing. Miracle Gro uses time release to keep its soil fortified. It could be the time release isn't keeping up with the needs of the plant or....it could be that the soil, with the nutrient time releasing, maintains a level of nutrient in the soil and the addition is what took it to tox level.....just spitballing....
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The FF cal/mag can't get here soon enough. Hopefully by this time tomorrow I'll be spraying the leaves.
I think everyone is in agreement about this foliar feeding.
There’s a lesson here to be learned about using Miracle Grow for weed. Yes it can be used successfully to grow weed. But there are so many other things that are easier and made for cannabis. Just something to consider. CL
It’s not a big deal. @Trump and I are just hashing out possibilities so the more info the better but its not a huge deal
Agreed with foliar first. This is why journals are awesome. A lot of us get stuck in our methods and forget about the little stuff.
I’m always down for fish ferts, they’re a staple in my grows. Myco loves it and so does the plant. They seem to really help soothe stress too. I use Hydrolyzed fish myself but the posted bottle could be effective for OPs situation.
Gotcha! Yes, leaf cannibalization could be occurring, but I would think that would present as crispy edges in the beginning rather than leaf discoloration.
What's baffling me is that the tips or near the tips are showing a lot of the discoloration from what I can see in the pics which suggests to me a tox similar to tip burn due to lockout. He did half strength 0-10-10 feeds. According to the Mulders chart high P will lockout calcium and vice a versa. The first symptoms we saw looked like cal lockout.
K deficiency can also cause necrotic tips and in my experience with organic growing it’s almost always K causing tip issues. Again though this situation isn’t my average grow so it could just as well be a lockout. I’ve never experienced lockout in organics, it’s one of the big benefits of going with an amended soil. Unbalanced soil however will kill a plant just as fast as a sodium filled container though so it’s not all sunshine and roses lol.
It’s very possible his root ball is just too large for the soil nutrient content and there’s not enough to go around. Or it’s all unbalanced because of the time release
The FF cal/mag can't get here soon enough. Hopefully by this time tomorrow I'll be spraying the leaves.
I think everyone is in agreement about this foliar feeding.
Yes foliar feeding, it’s the fastest and least permanent way to address issues. If it’s fixed then you know what to do, if it’s not fixed then you haven’t done anything that can’t be reversed.
There’s a lesson here to be learned about using Miracle Grow for weed. Yes it can be used successfully to grow weed. But there are so many other things that are easier and made for cannabis. Just something to consider. CL
Yes and I’ll add on to this a bit.. You want to remove as many variables as possible. This is why I use fabric pots, RO water, and an amended soil. There are no variables there. I know exactly what is in each and what I’m using. That way if for some reason something does go wrong I already know it’s not related to my water, container, or soil.
I’ve definitely done things wrong that could have been avoided from the start. I just thought it might help others starting to grow. CL
It’s not a big deal. @Trump and I are just hashing out possibilities so the more info the better but its not a huge deal
Agreed with foliar first. This is why journals are awesome. A lot of us get stuck in our methods and forget about the little stuff.
I’m always down for fish ferts, they’re a staple in my grows. Myco loves it and so does the plant. They seem to really help soothe stress too. I use Hydrolyzed fish myself but the posted bottle could be effective for OPs situation.
K deficiency can also cause necrotic tips and in my experience with organic growing it’s almost always K causing tip issues. Again though this situation isn’t my average grow so it could just as well be a lockout. I’ve never experienced lockout in organics, it’s one of the big benefits of going with an amended soil. Unbalanced soil however will kill a plant just as fast as a sodium filled container though so it’s not all sunshine and roses lol.
It’s very possible his root ball is just too large for the soil nutrient content and there’s not enough to go around. Or it’s all unbalanced because of the time release
Yes foliar feeding, it’s the fastest and least permanent way to address issues. If it’s fixed then you know what to do, if it’s not fixed then you haven’t done anything that can’t be reversed.
Yes and I’ll add on to this a bit.. You want to remove as many variables as possible. This is why I use fabric pots, RO water, and an amended soil. There are no variables there. I know exactly what is in each and what I’m using. That way if for some reason something does go wrong I already know it’s not related to my water, container, or soil.
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I've seen many a good rookie fry their plants with Miracle-GroMost of us members don’t use any Miracle Gro products. There are some many other brands that are just for cannabis. You won’t want to use any additional nutrients when using MG because you’ll fry your plant. CL
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I'm going to call it a day. Thanks Very Much to each of you for your excellent efforts to help me today. Total respect to each of you!! I can't believe how many details you each have remembered about my grow situation, very impressive!
Well, I'll spray the plant tomorrow with FF cal/mag and wait 72 hours and then see if any discussion about adding additional nutrients is appropriate based on the appearance of the plant. I'll let you know either way.
Thanks again to each of you for your high-caliber thinking and writing for my benefit. This thread has developed into a very valuable book for me going forward. Can't thank you enough. Maybe one day I will be a knowledgeable and experienced cannabis scholar as you are.
Well, I'll spray the plant tomorrow with FF cal/mag and wait 72 hours and then see if any discussion about adding additional nutrients is appropriate based on the appearance of the plant. I'll let you know either way.
Thanks again to each of you for your high-caliber thinking and writing for my benefit. This thread has developed into a very valuable book for me going forward. Can't thank you enough. Maybe one day I will be a knowledgeable and experienced cannabis scholar as you are.
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I read articles about foliar feeding with cal/mag. Some say you can't spray advanced flowers (like mine), some say no problem spraying flowers.
I'll be using FF BushDoctor with a hand sprayer set on mist. Any thoughts?
I'll be using FF BushDoctor with a hand sprayer set on mist. Any thoughts?
Probably depends on what you're spraying on them and whether you plan to Bud Wash or not.
Most of us who do bud wash will never not do it again after seeing what comes out in the wash buckets.
Most of us who do bud wash will never not do it again after seeing what comes out in the wash buckets.
Ramblinrose1965
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Thats what I use, but will be making my own soon out of egg shells and organic apple cider vinegar. Found the recipe here on 420.I read articles about foliar feeding with cal/mag. Some say you can't spray advanced flowers (like mine), some say no problem spraying flowers.
I'll be using FF BushDoctor with a hand sprayer set on mist. Any thoughts?
Here's the video version of WCA (Water Soluble Calcium).
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That's great man, I totally want to do this too. I actually want to go 100% organic with my growing. I didn't have the time to learn and properly prepare for this because it was a spur of the moment thing, like hey let's grow some weed. 
Maybe as you have noticed I've been running behind the train since the beginning of this as opposed to being something more akin to a headlight on a northbound train. Lol. I'm totally loving my new addiction. It's only been 6 1/2 weeks but it's been a long strange trip really--but definitely an exciting ride that I'm grateful for. I love growing weed. I'm thinking morning dew for when Mary ends her lifecycle soon. I guess I could play rider for her now.
Maybe as you have noticed I've been running behind the train since the beginning of this as opposed to being something more akin to a headlight on a northbound train. Lol. I'm totally loving my new addiction. It's only been 6 1/2 weeks but it's been a long strange trip really--but definitely an exciting ride that I'm grateful for. I love growing weed. I'm thinking morning dew for when Mary ends her lifecycle soon. I guess I could play rider for her now.
Ramblinrose1965
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I suggest a nice China Rider! I'm currently on my third grow. First two were with synthetic nutes Fox Farm trio to be exact in Fox Farms Ocean Forest. My current grow is organic again using FFOF as the medium but using Geoflora as my nutes. They are a sponser here at 420. There is a whole thread here on 420 requarding the use of Geoflora. Its a very interesting read and that's what made me switch from the FF trio.
A good resource for learning about that is The Rev's True Living Organics book. He's got a new edition coming out in a few weeks so that might be something to check out.
Also, start a worm bin if you can as that's a great way you get life (really really good life) into your grow.
I've got a bunch of experiments I've done that you can read about in my Alchemy thread if you're the diy type.
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I would love a worm bin, but I don't think the gf would allow a worm bin in the house.
She is really cool and gave me the go ahead to raise some clones in the spare bathtub but Worm bins MMMMMMMMMMMM NOOOOOOO.
What kinda temps would be too cold for an outdoor worm bin?
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Hopefully I'm not missing the point but I'm using FF BushDoctor and wondering if getting mist on the flowers will cause a problem for the buds? Here's current flower/bud.
Basement? That's where I keep mine. And no smell unless you're doing something wrong.I would love a worm bin, but I don't think the gf would allow a worm bin in the house.
She is really cool and gave me the go ahead to raise some clones in the spare bathtub but Worm bins MMMMMMMMMMMM NOOOOOOO.
What kinda temps would be too cold for an outdoor worm bin?
Another alternative is to start a bokaski bucket for kitchen scraps. Bokashi is an important input in @Bill284 's grow, and if you've seen his plants they seem to really like it!
Bokashi is done anaerobically in a closed bucket you could keep under the sink, so also no smell if you do it right.
Outside in cold enough temperatures the worms themselves will freeze and die if you don't insulate the bin well enough. BUT, there should be enough cocoons ready to hatch when the weather warms to reestablish the herd.
Like neem, it may turn the hairs dark prematurely but unless you're trying to make seeds we don't really need them anyway except for an indicator as to when to harvest.Hopefully I'm not missing the point but I'm using FF BushDoctor and wondering if getting mist on the flowers will cause a problem for the buds? Here's current flower/bud.
The buds may not look as good, but the extra quickly delivered nutrition might make it worth it.
#Tradeoffs.
