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Way to read your plants! Now watch them and see how they respond. They look nice and happy to me
Thanks man. I hear you. Like you said the other day time to just ride the train and leave her be.
My First Outdoor/In Ground Grow
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Thanks man. I hear you. Like you said the other day time to just ride the train and leave her be.
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Unless I fell for the advertising again (like with my autos last winter), the feminized white widows and og Kush in the ground are supposed to get 4'-6' tall.
But I don't know what to expect (what I'm doing) with this regular seed Tennessee Kush in the pot. I drove the wood stake through the bag and into the ground to anchor it and get some roots in the ground, but I'm picturing it getting huge as you said and I think I'm going to get some rebar I have and bend it to make a stake to drive through the bag to anchor it better to the ground.
We are about 2 weeks from the solstice when the daylight will start decreasing so for better or worse it's like Bobby used to sing, I don't know what I'm going for but I'm going for it for sure.
I can't believe this just turned 8 weeks old.
PS @Trump I think I know you avoid time release ferts like the plague for indoor growing . . but what do you think about this plant . . . to me at this veg stage it's like all hail MG.
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MG is god until it isn't. Now that you have experience with MG you know that you have around 5 weeks but even then, as you experienced, within that 5 weeks the growth was not as vibrant as the Lush soil. What does that tell me? A properly set up soil specifically setup for cannabis, to me, is a must for autos. Why only autos? Because of the finite timeline that you have in veg. Those 5 weeks are crucial with an auto. Photos not so much. I'm thinking that photos can get away with not so specific soil as long as the grower has the experience to be able to work around the shortcomings of the media. Synthetic feeds almost from the get go without relying on whatever soil nutrition is in the soil so that the plant has constantly available ions in the numbers it needs rather than being limited by what the soil biology can produce for the plant.Unless I fell for the advertising again (like with my autos last winter), the feminized white widows and og Kush in the ground are supposed to get 4'-6' tall.
But I don't know what to expect (what I'm doing) with this regular seed Tennessee Kush in the pot. I drove the wood stake through the bag and into the ground to anchor it and get some roots in the ground, but I'm picturing it getting huge as you said and I think I'm going to get some rebar I have and bend it to make a stake to drive through the bag to anchor it better to the ground.
We are about 2 weeks from the solstice when the daylight will start decreasing so for better or worse it's like Bobby used to sing, I don't know what I'm going for but I'm going for it for sure.
I can't believe this just turned 8 weeks old.
PS @Trump I think I know you avoid time release ferts like the plague for indoor growing . . but what do you think about this plant . . . to me at this veg stage it's like all hail MG.
I'm not saying that these products don't work. You saw the difference between the Lush and MG soils and how cannabis performs. An experienced grower would most certainly have an easier time using cannabis specific product but there's a cost that goes along with that convenience. Same with nutes.
What I'm starting to do is to look away from organic and soil born nutrition as my main source of food for the plants. I'm going to start treating soil as if it was an sterile substrate like hydroton or rockwool or perlite where the media doesn't provide any of the nutrition. This way whatever media I choose I'm not relying on its analysis to get my girls to harvest. I get it if you are outdoors and you want to develop an optimal soil composition for whatever else you'll be planting in there but for indoors it just doesn't make sense to me. The plant won't be in the media for more than 5 months. Too little time to develop your bacterial and fungal communities naturally. I see people use products like molasses and other carbo loading products but, from what I can surmise, while they may help feed the rhizo colonies, by the time they are at a level that they can really help the plant it's already moving into harvest mode. Do they help? Sure. Is it worth it? Negligable.
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I'm too buzzed and too happy to reply intelligently to your Excellent post here . . . But what I'd like to do is separate your comments above between indoor autos and outdoor photos and focus on the outdoor photos, and separate them between in ground and container plants.
After reading the book you recommended I was out there in February digging holes and filling them with all kinds of good stuff based on the book including mykos to get it going ahead of time. In my mind this plant in this 'no till garden' is establishing roots within a true soil web now:
But, specifically to the point of MG in a pot outdoors with a photo while time will tell, and knowing I already hammered this one with nutes a few days ago this plant is making a case for itself as far as MG as an outside container option:
You know, to drive the point home I started 2 auto seeds last week to bring outside this Weds. in 3 gal bags. I had the choice between Lush and MG. I choose MG for both pots over the Lush because the last plant I had in Lush that turned out to be male just dried out way to fast to be an option for an outdoor container mix.
I know some weed growers get squirrelly when I talk about MG, but to be honest I'm guessing most have no first hand experience and are merely parroting what they have heard man.
Yes, a few years back if you mentioned MG a large group here on 420 would just flip out with pure hate on MG and anyone using it. I have shut up about my use of that product and have been a closet user of it. Then MG bought General Hydroponics and it got double ugly, it has cooled since. I have been waiting since seeing it mentioned and all is quiet. Good.
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The plants in the garden are starting to take off now, so I gave them each another tomato cage and a fencepost stake.
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I'm still not a big advocate of using this as a media. Again, time release means one less thing out of my control that can hurt whatever I am doing at the time. Maybe it's my aversion to powdered ferts. Are they easy to use? Very much so but you lose the control you have with synthetics. I also don't like the water holding capacity the media has. It stays wet too long. For outdoor that's fine as wind and other factors will speed up evaporation but indoors fast draining soils are what you want to prevent overwatering.
Again, just another example of how what works well for indoor gardening doesn't work as well for outdoor gardening.
As much as I love to automate things in my grow, the amount of nutes my plants get is not one of them. I prefer to read my plants and respond with what they want at the stage they are at. Doing it this way also keeps me on my toes reading my plants improving my understanding of what they are trying to tell me. One of the areas I see that is sorely lacking with new and mid level growers is spotting issues early and being able to correct them. Probably because of the improvements in all aspects cannabis it keeps most within the range and their runs finish with little issue but the day they do have one......
If I sprinkle in some powdered ferts that should last around 6 weeks, for those 6 weeks my girls won't get the attention that I would give them if I was feeding them going off what they are telling me.
Some like the convenience and I'm not saying it's wrong. It's just my preference.
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I bent some rebar to make this stake for the container plant. I drove it down inside the pot to keep it from blowing over on a windy day.
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Just look at that beauty!The plants in the garden are starting to take off now, so I gave them each another tomato cage and a fencepost stake.
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Thanks man!
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This might be overkill, but I felt the need to give this container plant a third tomato cage and a fence post stake to support the entire trellis. When I was up on the ladder just now I was thinking 'somebody stop me!' 
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OMG now that's a hoot LOLThis might be overkill, but I felt the need to give this container plant a third tomato cage and a fence post stake to support the entire trellis. When I was up on the ladder just now I was thinking 'somebody stop me!'
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Christmas lights hung on the cages is going to be quite spectacular when the Weed trees show up!!!This might be overkill, but I felt the need to give this container plant a third tomato cage and a fence post stake to support the entire trellis. When I was up on the ladder just now I was thinking 'somebody stop me!'
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Christmas lights hung on the cages is going to be quite spectacular when the Weed trees show up!!!
That's hilarious!!But, the really funny part is I have some Christmas lights to use and I can picture myself doing this.
Just so you know, some people have said about me, "be careful what you tell him because he'll do it." Lol
Thanks for the good humor and inspiration bro man!
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Do it!
Then you can truly say your weed is lit!
Then you can truly say your weed is lit!
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I moved the two autos outside today at 8 days old. So this brings the count back up to six plants for my first outdoor grow. I put all my photos outside when they were 8 days old last spring and they experienced immediate explosive growth in the sunlight. It will be interesting to see if these do the same.
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I was just sitting here thinking again how cool that would be to put Christmas lights on the cages, but being a little more clear headed this morning it occurred to me I might as well put a sign made of flashing Christmas lights on my roof that reads, " FREE WEED! "
Do it!
Then you can truly say your weed is lit!
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It's funny to me because I spend alot of time sitting on the back porch enjoying the plants 9 weeks into my first outside grow . . . one minute I find myself thinking I'm pretty good at this but the next minute I'm thinking you really don't know what the hell you're doing.
They sure look good. 
Greengoodness
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When i first saw you put the tomatoe cages ontop of each other i had to laugh
now i'm not it's a brilliant idea. I fully enjoy sitting and watching them grow outdoors. Your plants look great getting bigger everyday nothing like being able to grow inground. 
now i'm not it's a brilliant idea. I fully enjoy sitting and watching them grow outdoors. Your plants look great getting bigger everyday nothing like being able to grow inground.