Munki's Ebb n Flow 3 x 3 SCROG 400W HPS Grow

This is the link to the CannaStats page which is helping to form my strategy. Do know I will be flexible in reservoir change outs. A single reservoir fill for a complete grow was just a goal, not a requirement.

CannaStats - Nutrient Solution Management and Longevity

I hope it is OK to link this. It isn't a forum or direct competitor to this site.
 
WheeloFortune said:
you obviously know you cant scrog the roadrunner right?
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Being an autoflower, any trickery like ScrOG will be out. I will just grow it via ebb and flow. I'll probably pull the side branches out a bit with some LST training, but I won't do radical training like pulling the branches horizonal, FIM, topping or anything like that. The harvest countdown clock starts as soon as the seed cracks on an AF I presume.
 
munki said:
I do realize that the plants will take up the nutrients unevenly and that I will eventually will have the rez out of whack. I will monitor for variations in how the pH fluctuates day to day. If I start having trouble controlling my pH, I will use that as a sign along with carefully looking for plant stress.

I did not come up with this idea out of the blue. I'm going off of what some fairly famous people in our circles, "pH" and "Lucas" have discovered over many years of work. There is a huge thread that Lucas did on another forum where he did Q & A with everyone there. Also, pH put up a website called CannaStats that kind of summates his work. He is often the one credited with creating the ScrOG method.

I don't want to step on anyone's toes so please do not think I am ignoring your advice. I just may need to get some of my own lumps of hard learned wisdom along the way and this may be it.
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its cool Munki....just dont wanna see you possibly breaking down
I hope it works for you
I am on point on the Lucas method
 
Appreciate y'all supporting me in trying this. Experimentation can often be worth the risk if one does their reading first.
 
munki said:
I'm happy I could help extol its virtues. It isn't for everyone, but it is an excellent solution for many smaller grow spaces and lower intensity lighting for sure.
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How about for a 1000 watt HPS? I know that that much light can certainly penetrate deeper, but it seems like it would make all those budsites go CRAZY if they were spread and then blasted with 1k of HPS lighting.

Either way, I am REAAALLLY looking forward to seeing your results because this baby looks lovely and I think you did a great job setting up your SCROG.

+Rep, and I've been subscribed for a hot minute.

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sillyolpun said:
How about for a 1000 watt HPS? I know that that much light can certainly penetrate deeper, but it seems like it would make all those budsites go CRAZY if they were spread and then blasted with 1k of HPS lighting.
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oh yeah, a 1 k would definetly make a difference.The only issue would be heat and trust me small space + 1k llight = INTENSE HEAT
My grow is'nt that huge and a 1k heats it up quick.This forcing my to run an exaust the whole time the lights on rather then run it in intervals while its on. Unlike when its off, i can run it every 15 minutes to just clear the room. However, if you can do it, your nugs will be dense as hell and that light will penetrate through all the foliage. Even my bottom nugs i leave on for tasting gets just as thick as the tops.

But eithetr way this is a great scrog.+ rep munki
 
Just wanted to put up a few pics I snapped last night.

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sillyolpun said:
How about for a 1000 watt HPS? I know that that much light can certainly penetrate deeper, but it seems like it would make all those budsites go CRAZY if they were spread and then blasted with 1k of HPS lighting.

Either way, I am REAAALLLY looking forward to seeing your results because this baby looks lovely and I think you did a great job setting up your SCROG.

+Rep, and I've been subscribed for a hot minute.

pun
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Oh, larger wattage lamps can be used and are used. It is just ScrOG was developed as a workaround to the issues inherent to low intensity lighting like florescents. With larger lighting, if plant numbers aren't an issue, SOG becomes more attractive.

Here is a shot of a larger grow doing a ScrOG variant. I believe it is a 4000 watt grow. Guy's name is pico; he is elsewhere on the net.

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Few really need to use a 1000 watt HPS for small, personal grows though. ;)
 
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it looks like the screen part of the set-up isnt keep the canopy low, kinda defeating the purpose other than to jus support the plants.. that interesting

munki urs is more what i expected for this technique.... great grow btw
 
Yeah, it isn't a classic ScrOG. It appears he uses the screen to evenly separate the branches of each plant and maybe takes some of the taller branches and runs them through a hole farther away from the plant base in order to help even out the canopy.

I am a big fan on how he has the ScrOG supports are held within the flood trays. The PVC poles that he uses as risers for the screen are threaded so he can switch out longer or shorter poles to adjust the height of his screens to best fit a particular crop. This is what I hope to have one day eventually. I think I'll get a 2 x 4 foot flood tray myself though.
 
Can't c a screen, but it looks like SOG netting. This is a multi-branch SOG (sea of green)in the pic. The netting is there for support so the plants don't fall on each other. If u notice there are no branches visible around the perimeter trained horizontally below netting. All growth looks vertical. Looks like some staking may be necessary too.
 
BWC BayArea said:
Can't c a screen, but it looks like SOG netting. This is a multi-branch SOG (sea of green)in the pic. The netting is there for support so the plants don't fall on each other. If u notice there are no branches visible around the perimeter trained horizontally below netting. All growth looks vertical. Looks like some staking may be necessary too.
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I like your description of it. I didn't think it really met the major parameter of ScrOG for me which is lateral training of the branches under the screen. He has a good light density, so the netting he uses just spaces out the branches enough to let that light shine through.

I will always appreciate all the different and successful ways people have come up with to cultivate this particular plant.
 
CharlieMopps said:
With a 2' X 4' flood tray are you going to grow anything else next to the roadrunner? Big light for just 1 AF plant.
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Oh the tray and all that is somewhere down the line. I'm just going to reuse the equipment I have except the screen assembly will be removed. Yeah, the plant can't complain about not getting enough light if it gets a 400 watt to itself! I would pop more seeds if I had more autoflowers. ;)

The lamp will be on for 20 hours a day the whole time. I could crack the california hash plant seed I have (its femmed) and just let it veg over that 2 months the Roadrunner grows out then flower the CHP after I harvest the RoadRunner. It could be a real beast of a plant in the end. It wouldn't cost too much to build another bucket like the one I have and there already is a second pump installed in the reservoir. I have time to ponder that.
 
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