Mmmmick
You might try here,
Plastic Round & Square Nursery Pots and Poly Grow Bags at Home Harvest Garden Supply
They have square pots of many sizes.
Mmmmick 1st Scrog 3 strains 90w LED closet
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Mmmmick
You might try here,
Plastic Round & Square Nursery Pots and Poly Grow Bags at Home Harvest Garden Supply
They have square pots of many sizes.
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Mmmmick
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Thanks OMM I'll have a look around there. Kinda looking locally but if nothing turns up I'll order a few. The grow bags would work best I expect. I may be able to make 3 gallon round pots work if I go a couple of inches wider. The upstairs closet is a little deeper, might work. Decisions decisions. Have to medicate first, that'll make it all clear to me, heheh.
That island air sure agrees with your plants OMM, they are growing like crazy. Told ya one of em was heading for the roof, lol. lucky guess.
WarBux79
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Man that screen looks wonderful! I am designing my scrog as we speak. I wont get to use it until I move and upgrade my flower area. I did have a question Mmmmick. I am going to have separate veg/bloom area and I will need to move the plants to the bloom area one by one. I wont be able to scrog them during veg only during bloom. Did you fill most of your screen up the first couple weeks of bloom or during veg?
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Mmmmick
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Hi Bux thanks, things are coming along, bit of an issue with the Afis but they'll survive it.
This time around I didn't get the veg time that I wanted under the screen. but there is a lot training to do in the stretch period when you start to flower.
The Super Skunk and Big Bud both had to straighten out first so some of my stretch was used up sorting them out partially. Should have vegged a little longer as they both had half their budsites hidden. Thats due to my circular LST in veg before the screen was considered. You will be able to use LST to shape your plants in veg so they won't have to adjust to the screen completely once flowering. They can already have a wider profile before they go under.
I'd say 25 or 30% of the screen fills while stretching. I read about Liquid Light n a journal. The grower felt that the Liguid Light extended the stretch time. That might work for you if you can't veg under the screen. Extended stretch gives you more time to fill every space.
Spike69
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mmmmmmick lookin great bro,gonna be a good harvest
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Mmmmick
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mmmmmmick lookin great bro,gonna be a good harvest
Thanks brother, we hope so.
Legalize09
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I saw u say to tansplant atleast 2 weeks b4 flowering...should u not transplant once in the flower phase? Never had to transplant in flower but I think I will have to.
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Mmmmick
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Well if you were flowering after a short veg you might feel the need to transplant during flower but my personal take is to have the plants in their final pot before flowering, no matter the veg time. Every transplant is a possible shock/stress to the plant. Stress will slow the plants development and during flower is probably the worst time to induce transplant stress. Stress during veg can be handled by vegging a little longer.
Not to say that stress is necessarily bad for the plant, just depends on the type of stress and when it is applied.
You can just go to the final pot size early and be careful about watering a small plant in a big pot.
^^^^^all just my opinion, maybe lot's of other takes on this situation.
If you are using the thin plastic thermomolded pots you could just cut the bottom out of your pots and plant the pot in a bigger pot with a few inches exposed. Mj's roots like to go deep. This wouldn't likely induce any stress to the plant unless roots get cut.
Hi Legal I re-potted 2 plants in flower. I really didn't notice any shock or slow down. Just don't let the roots see much light, maybe do it in a dark room.
I am not saying its always good. Just my experience.
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Hi Legal I re-potted 2 plants in flower. I really didn't notice any shock or slow down. Just don't let the roots see much light, maybe do it in a dark room.
I am not saying its always good. Just my experience.
Hi OMM, I did say "possible" shock/stress. I don't think a smooth transplant is a problem but transplanting introduces the possibility. Why risk it if it's not necessary?
Of course it may only be risky when I do it, lol. I never seem to have the mass of roots that most growers show in transplant pics, so I ususally have trouble keeping the soil together, causing some root damage.
That's because you think ahead
Most of us wait until they are totally root bound.
My last re-pot was nothing but roots, the size of the pot and rock hard.
Shame on me.
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Mmmmick
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That's because you think ahead
Most of us wait until they are totally root bound.
My last re-pot was nothing but roots, the size of the pot and rock hard.
Shame on me.
I'll bet your plants took off after the repot though. Mine always have to recover first. Probably better to be rootbound or close.
Hi Mmmmick you probably wont like this but, here goes.
When they are rootbound the best thing to do is this: Once you have the rootbound roots in your hand take a utility knife (the one we open boxes with) with the blade fully extended and cut 5 equally spaced vertical lines down the root ball. Then put them in the new pot using the same potting soil you originally potted with. Put enough soil in the bottom to raise your plant to the same level you had it in the old pot. Then fill in around the sides and water.
It sounds terrible, but the cuts let the roots find the new soil easily.
Never cut horizontally !
DocBuds, OldSchoool, and granny420 all said to do this and it works!
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Mmmmick
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Hi Mmmmick you probably wont like this but, here goes.
When they are rootbound the best thing to do is this: Once you have the rootbound roots in your hand take a utility knife (the one we open boxes with) with the blade fully extended and cut 5 equally spaced vertical lines down the root ball. Then put them in the new pot using the same potting soil you originally potted with. Put enough soil in the bottom to raise your plant to the same level you had it in the old pot. Then fill in around the sides and water.
It sounds terrible, but the cuts let the roots find the new soil easily.
Never cut horizontally !
DocBuds, OldSchoool, and granny420 all said to do this and it works!
lol Why would I not like getting the benefit of experienced growers opinions? I've seen that done or something along that line i.e. roughing up the root ball to stimulate new growth. If dealing with a rootbound plant it sounds right to me,and I agree with the pros you've referenced. Thanks for the info, I'm not sure if 90w led can get any plant to the point of rootbound,lol
Im curious though, if a plant is stressed during flower does the flower period extend to accommadate the period of stress or does the flower cycle finish when it would have, having lost growth during that period?
edit: subsequent text was irrelevant to the point re handling a rootbound plant.
rootbound ROOTBOUND a crazy term to a friend of mine shes grows in cali 6-8months growoutta 3 gallons pots it deffinatly decreases her yeild but they never die and i know they have got to be rootboound just always thought it was funny
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Mmmmick
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wow 6-8 months in 3 gallon pots. lol even my 90w would probably give rootbound plants in that timeframe.
PAchamama makes a good point too. You can still have a harvest being rootbound, but less yield.
The other point you are curious about. I am as well. Guess we will find out, I am about to repot Tad. I think I am anyway. Here are the are options 1. keep her the way she is and lose a some of her harvest. 2. Repot her and extend flower time. I've read stress and over doing nutes does add to total flowering time in most cases.
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Mmmmick
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PAchamama makes a good point too. You can still have a harvest being rootbound, but less yield.
The other point you are curious about. I am as well. Guess we will find out, I am about to repot Tad. I think I am anyway. Here are the are options 1. keep her the way she is and lose a some of her harvest. 2. Repot her and extend flower time. I've read stress and over doing nutes does add to total flowering time in most cases.
Thanks OMM been wondering about the impact on flower time.
I took a cruise through the Indoor Outdoor Medical Grow Bible by Cervantes.
page 57
Transplanting is the second most traumatic experience after cloning. Tiny root hairs are very delicate and may easily be destroyed by light, air, or clumsy hands.
transplanting should involve as little disturbance to the root systerm as possible.
After transplanting, photosynthesis and chlorophyl production are slowed as are water and nutrient absorption via roots.
page 59
Seedlings and clones can be directly transplanted into a three to five gallon pot, a system which requires fewer containers and involves less work and less possible plant stress. The larger volume of soil holds water and nutrients longer and requires less frequent watering.
Most marijuana crops are in the ground for such a short time that bungled transplanting cost valuable recuperation time and loss in production.
I'm sticking to my original position. transplant before flowering if at all possible and no reason why it shouldn't be. Not to say that other methods aren't acceptable but I see no reason to unnecessarily transplant in flower.
Are you sure your plant is rootbound or is it just the usual hard crust that forms on the soil surface after numerous waterings? I give the surface a shallow stir every so often to break up the crust, figure it probably helps with aeration. How close are you to chopping, any estimate?
edit:From your post on your journal I guess it's definitely rootbound, chop time maybe the determining factor.
I wonder if a small dose of rooting agent in your water would be better than scarifying roots to stimulate growth after repot? Maybe less stressful.
lol So many questions, it'll be great when we have enough experience to know some these things.
Great info Mmmmick
Now we know for sure.
As you know I am a first time grower and I have made many mistakes. That is what first grows are for, to learn what not to do next time. One of the big ones for me is pot size. I started them all in 6" pots. Big mistake. Then I repoted them to 8" pots. Another mistake. Now I have two in 4 Gallon pots which finally seems fine. Tad is still in an 8" pot and really has to be repoted.
The grow is in its 12th week. Flowering for 44 days.
I have at least 45 to 50 days to harvest. It will probably be longer than that, due to all the re-potting and other stress they have been through. I can wait it out, not doing much else right now.
I will say this, I am amazed at how much I have learned these months. They haven't been wasted even if everything falls apart at the end. It has been a kick doing a grow and meeting people like you and all the others that have helped me.
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Mmmmick
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Great info Mmmmick
Now we know for sure.
As you know I am a first time grower and I have made many mistakes. That is what first grows are for, to learn what not to do next time. One of the big ones for me is pot size. I started them all in 6" pots. Big mistake. Then I repoted them to 8" pots. Another mistake. Now I have two in 4 Gallon pots which finally seems fine. Tad is still in an 8" pot and really has to be repoted.
The grow is in its 12th week. Flowering for 44 days.
I have at least 45 to 50 days to harvest. It will probably be longer than that, due to all the re-potting and other stress they have been through. I can wait it out, not doing much else right now.
I will say this, I am amazed at how much I have learned these months. They haven't been wasted even if everything falls apart at the end. It has been a kick doing a grow and meeting people like you and all the others that have helped me.
heheh well we know for sure what Cervantes thinks. There may be other prominent growers with different opinions.
I can promise you, my first grow was a scary thing to see. Don't know how the plants survived me. I feel the same as you, I learned a lot during that torture. Lots more to learn as I'm proving to myself this grow. It's much better than the first, but far from perfect. The third should be better planned and executed yet. One can hope,lol. For a first grow your girls are looking fantastic. imo you should be proud of what you've accomplished. My first plants were stunted dwarves but I still got a thrill out of smokin my own crop.
I don't see anything wrong with a couple of transplants during a plants life cycle. Weedtastic repots a number of times and has great success. His plants surge with growth after repotting. His roots are developed enough to keep the soil together during repot. I guess thats the real key to low stress transplants, knowing when. My transplants are never quite as smooth because the root mass hasn't been there to keep things in one piece. Over time we'll both develope a better sense for these things hopefully.
I guess 6" might be a little big for first pot size, but as long as watering is cautiously done it's probably fine. Tad looks to be doing quite well in a smallish pot, but if she has that much time left you def need to move that lady. She'll have time to recover anyway. I think she'll yield better after a repot than if you try to let her finish in that pot. A few days of slowed growth is probably much better than 6 weeks of choked roots.
My biggest mistake was keeping the first set of plants too wet. Couldn't get them dried out with the cool running leds. I went to big pots early but small plants, big pots and cool lights wasn't a good combo.
Yes I feel that. Even if the plants did squat they would have at least shown you/us what not to do. Thats a bonus.
I don't see things falling apart for you, the ladies look great, super healthy and lovin their outdoor digs, of course you never know whats coming.
You're a cool dude OMM, the laid back island life seems to agree with you and I'm happy to have met you. 420 has some good people, lots of experienced and helpful growers.
But I am kicking my butt for waiting this long to try my hand at growing.
The waiting is hard to get used to but what choices are there? An early sample just teases when you know how much better it will get.
Man I could use a smack when I start rambling,lol..