Mini Green House Grow

Re: setting sun's mini-greenhouse grow

I did a verticle (straight) tie down on the Jamaicans, as they were already topped. I think I will try it again on one each of the clones, the Moby Dick and the Medical 1024. The I can compare the growth and yields to both the other clones and the mothers.
 
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Funny you should say that...two of plants (clones) here (side by side)are same strain 3 day difference in 12/12 time in flower room....one LST one grown straight up. Don.t want to hijack your thread SS bro...just quick pic :)
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IMO these will yeild close to same LST one with a bit more...also IMO munki scrog would yield most if that was also in this equation
 
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Tunes420 said:
Funny you should say that...two of plants (clones) here (side by side)are same strain 3 day difference in 12/12 time in flower room....one LST one grown straight up. Don.t want to hijack your thread SS bro...just quick pic :)

IMO these will yeild close to same LST one with a bit more...also IMO munki scrog would yield most if that was also in this equation
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NP bro, pics are essential.

thanks for the feedback!

It's great to see all this LST discussion in so many threads here!

I've been thinking today of outdoor stealth and LST. That 8" plant you grew sure would stay under the radar.

keep it green bro ;)
 
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GMT1975A said:
I did a verticle (straight) tie down on the Jamaicans, as they were already topped. I think I will try it again on one each of the clones, the Moby Dick and the Medical 1024. The I can compare the growth and yields to both the other clones and the mothers.
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way to add to the knowledge pool GMT!

On my current grow, the plants have 3-4 colas that are looking pretty close in size to the single main cola that my plants had in my first grow where I didn't LST.

I'm not going to draw any hard conclusions, however, because the grows were very different, and there's lots of other variables besides LST.

take care brother!
 
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PAchamama said:
HEY SS
I have a thought
will you be taking 2 clones from a mother plant to ensure the same genectics for the comparison grow otherwise where is the nuetral in the equation. Sorry my spelling is Very bad. unlike you growing ability
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No, won't be using clones. I will be growing from seed with a stable strain and a sample size that should make the comparison meaningful.

thanks bro ;)
 
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Oh yes one i have first pic of journal ...that would be super stealth out door plant. That was from seed and just tied down all branches to same height. I think you could do great things with LST next year for out door grow ...and in side while you waiting :peace: brother grower :rocker:
 
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Great journal Sun, Havn't got to read it all yet but what I have is greatttt...Been busy so havn.t posted much. Think I'm at the half way point Trimmin... A++++ to you..
 
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setting sun said:
No, won't be using clones. I will be growing from seed with a stable strain and a sample size that should make the comparison meaningful.

thanks bro ;)
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Just recently I read a scientific study on yield that clearly stated that LST, Super Cropping, FIM, Scrog and other techniques had no measurable increase in yield.

The single biggest factor in increasing yield was light. Increase the light, increase yield, up to the point of saturation, which can be exceeded with C02.

I read the study carefully, and the statistics were first rate, the sample size was adequate....very well done.

I think I also read in Cervantes that all the pruning doesn't really increase yield that much either.

What all of that pruning does do, IMO, is allow more light to get through....which proves the point that light is the main factor to manipulate if you want to increase yield.
 
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DocBud said:
Just recently I read a scientific study on yield that clearly stated that LST, Super Cropping, FIM, Scrog and other techniques had no measurable increase in yield.

The single biggest factor in increasing yield was light. Increase the light, increase yield, up to the point of saturation, which can be exceeded with C02.

I read the study carefully, and the statistics were first rate, the sample size was adequate....very well done.

I think I also read in Cervantes that all the pruning doesn't really increase yield that much either.

What all of that pruning does do, IMO, is allow more light to get through....which proves the point that light is the main factor to manipulate if you want to increase yield.
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Light being the main factor is what makes me think that increased leaf area secondary to LST might factor in there somehow.

Of course, this is just a suspicion, and not supported by any data.
 
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setting sun said:
Light being the main factor is what makes me think that increased leaf area secondary to LST might factor in there somehow.

Of course, this is just a suspicion, and not supported by any data.
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That could be. In addition to that, a shorter plant means that the lower leaves get more light, due to the inverse square law.

OR......you could just get more light.

That's why outdoor plants can get up to 4 pounds, while indoor rarely over 4 ounces.
 
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ragweed said:
by no means am I expert or even claim to be.

Im not sure what LST is , just ran across this forum tonight. But from prior grows I have determined that by tying down the limbs and allowing the maiximum amount of light to get to the bottom leaves of each individual stem you get a slight improvement in yield. When I say slight I mean slight. Is it worth the effort and the amount of space required to spread it out. Never got around to testing
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I think most peeps are using it primarily to control height, not increase yield.

LST does increase leaf area, so that *has* to have a positive effect on yield, all else being equal.

As far as the amount of space required to spread them out, many growers are more limited vertically than horizontally, and spreading them out creates more bud sites and uses space most efficiently.

thanks for dropping in ragweed,

nice to meet you ;)
 
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Propa Gator said:
To design efficiently you must define your aim
A man's got to know his limitations
The need most scarce is important thing
Red button on the other not for pushing
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This forum is full of growers with different needs, different goals, different definitions of efficiency, different limitations, and different opinions on how to get to the same place.

Even so, it works ;).
 
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hello, just wanted to chime in on the LST debate i use it to get more yield from each plant and yes its woth it too me, what used to be just a under producing lower branch turns into a full on cola, they all think they are the main cola.where i was getting just an oz a plant before has turned into 2 1/2 to 3 oz's a plant now.sorry didnt mean to take up so much space on your journal . props on the most excellent grow there brother + reps coming at ya
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setting sun said:
throwin' money at it works, but efficiency is sexier ;).
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:lol:

Hey bro! We're Americans! We always toss money around, right?

You're right, efficiency is sexier. I was referring, however, to the sun.
Your point about controlling height is well taken, and I'm sure I'll be using LST on my grows.
 
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Tunes420 said:
Oh yes one i have first pic of journal ...that would be super stealth out door plant. That was from seed and just tied down all branches to same height. I think you could do great things with LST next year for out door grow ...and in side while you waiting :peace: brother grower :rocker:
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I refuse to give up on growing in my backyard. I just have to find a way that is stealthy enough to give me peace of mind. That 8" plant, in the right location, might just fit the bill. I'm going to do *something* outdoors next year. Thanks for the inspiration bro! Let's see who can grow the shortest plant, LOL!

moslowjj said:
Great journal Sun, Havn't got to read it all yet but what I have is greatttt...Been busy so havn.t posted much. Think I'm at the half way point Trimmin... A++++ to you..
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Wish I could be there to give you a hand, and two lungs ;). Thanks for your comments and encouragement!

ragweed said:
Old overgrow lurker...
Nice grow
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thanks ragweed, and welcome to 420Mag!

fluroman said:
hello, just wanted to chime in on the LST debate i use it to get more yield from each plant and yes its woth it too me, what used to be just a under producing lower branch turns into a full on cola, they all think they are the main cola.where i was getting just an oz a plant before has turned into 2 1/2 to 3 oz's a plant now.sorry didnt mean to take up so much space on your journal . props on the most excellent grow there brother + reps coming at ya
:grinjoint:
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Don't worry about taking up space, your personal experience is valuable. You nearly tripled your yield with LST. If these grows were basically done the same way except for the LST, that is just outstanding.

thanks for the feedback fluroman, and don't hesitate to take up space with good stuff like this!
 
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DocBud said:
:lol:

Hey bro! We're Americans! We always toss money around, right?
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Not this one. Mrs. Sun keeps the books, lol.

You're right, efficiency is sexier. I was referring, however, to the sun.
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The sun and I have a date next summer. I'm bringing flowers.


Your point about controlling height is well taken, and I'm sure I'll be using LST on my grows.
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Can't wait to see your future grows! I just took a look at your latest pics, and your plants are rockin' doc!

Didn't you just start that journal recently? Those girls are huge and just starting to bloom :yummy:
 
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