Growlow
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You articulated that a tad bit better than I. Well done mate. Glad to know there are more collective members on here
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You articulated that a tad bit better than I. Well done mate. Glad to know there are more collective members on here
GardenFaerie
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Incorrect, but I'm really not up to debate today...I give in. Surrender. Uncle.
Growlow
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I wasn't saying anything you said was wrong. I was sharing what I've lived through in the industry. No offense was intended nor was I trying to "win". My apologies.
GardenFaerie
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I only let you win! Just kidding, as I was when I said I surrender! I never surrender. Ask my husband.
Gfcollective
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when it comes to dabbing its almost like talking about politics and religion it seems. my opinion about dabbing is that those who need higher dosage of medicine can handle higher concentrated amounts. doesnt matter if its (edible, dry flower, hash extract of any kind, tinctures or any other form) everyone has their own 'Limit' that they should know where to draw the line. if they dont know it is up to the budtender to make sure they dont have a patient walk away with a 400mg edible when they are new to smoking (i recommend no more then 100mg to any one as one serving). now obviously i didnt start out in this industry legal like 99% of the rest of us, so with that said i have seen abusers like u say and people that truly need their medicine. for an example.
i was getting some medicine for a friend (extracts) and like u say he can literally take 10+ hits and not look like it even phased him at all, i took 3 (tasting each of the extracts that he got) and within 10 min i felt almost "drunk high" i got this real heavy head high, blurry vision, real hot, sweaty, and needed fresh air now. after 5 min outside i felt ok went back inside, and 10 min goes by i feel head sick again so i tell the fiance lets leave, but i cant drive. (at least you can still tell your to far gone to drive unlike alcohol) she gets in the driver seat and we get on the freeway about half way home (10 min down the road) i roll the window down and throw up twice. i felt amazing after i threw up but i was obviously high and not just medicated.
ive been medicating for around 10+ years now and i say medicating because ive always felt that even though my peers told me it was bad for me (i smoked cigs, drank alcohol, chewed tobacco, drank coffee, and took ibuprofen) all of those i have quit and while taking i felt like it was hurting me and i was 14 years old making these self made decisions. so i have continued to smoke cannabis throughout my life while still being able to be a all state baseball player as well as holding a 3.0-3.5 gpa. i dont smoke to get couch locked or not be able to do anything. im an x construction worker and i use to walk trusses and set trusses while smoking a blunt. so when i say medicating its because i can still operate my normal life while being medicated as to if i was "high" i believe i wouldnt be productive.
i completely agree that most people abuse extracts, just search youtube for 'dab' or 'dab music' and you will see many reasons why it is and will continue to happen.
as far as the 1000 plants conversation going above, i believe that is unreal for any 3 patients to need. i personally look forward to the day when everyone can grow their own plants so there is no need for any one person or group of people to grow 100-1000 plants. i have 15 and its overwhelming not counting the others i look after. with juicing being a new medicating treatment i believe everyone should have a few plants growing at all times.
I&i
i was getting some medicine for a friend (extracts) and like u say he can literally take 10+ hits and not look like it even phased him at all, i took 3 (tasting each of the extracts that he got) and within 10 min i felt almost "drunk high" i got this real heavy head high, blurry vision, real hot, sweaty, and needed fresh air now. after 5 min outside i felt ok went back inside, and 10 min goes by i feel head sick again so i tell the fiance lets leave, but i cant drive. (at least you can still tell your to far gone to drive unlike alcohol) she gets in the driver seat and we get on the freeway about half way home (10 min down the road) i roll the window down and throw up twice. i felt amazing after i threw up but i was obviously high and not just medicated.
ive been medicating for around 10+ years now and i say medicating because ive always felt that even though my peers told me it was bad for me (i smoked cigs, drank alcohol, chewed tobacco, drank coffee, and took ibuprofen) all of those i have quit and while taking i felt like it was hurting me and i was 14 years old making these self made decisions. so i have continued to smoke cannabis throughout my life while still being able to be a all state baseball player as well as holding a 3.0-3.5 gpa. i dont smoke to get couch locked or not be able to do anything. im an x construction worker and i use to walk trusses and set trusses while smoking a blunt. so when i say medicating its because i can still operate my normal life while being medicated as to if i was "high" i believe i wouldnt be productive.
i completely agree that most people abuse extracts, just search youtube for 'dab' or 'dab music' and you will see many reasons why it is and will continue to happen.
as far as the 1000 plants conversation going above, i believe that is unreal for any 3 patients to need. i personally look forward to the day when everyone can grow their own plants so there is no need for any one person or group of people to grow 100-1000 plants. i have 15 and its overwhelming not counting the others i look after. with juicing being a new medicating treatment i believe everyone should have a few plants growing at all times.
I&i
Gfcollective I had a very similar "within 10 min i felt almost "drunk high" i got this real heavy head high, blurry vision, real hot, sweaty, and needed fresh air now" experience smoking an unknown strain many years ago. I was glued to the washroom for the next 1.5 hours that time until the effects cleared.
Gfcollective
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and it is far from pleasant. i have mostly stayed clear of the oil for that reason as well as ive watched my friends turn from Flowers into oil. where they have literally stuck their nose up to my flowers. i still feel some need that high of a level of concentrate, but many many do abuse it and i agree 100% with you
I&i
GardenFaerie
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I guess I am erring on the side of caution where extracts are concerned. I have no need right now for that intensity and while I do like the feeling of mellow I get when I smoke, I actually don't feel stoned if I smoke during the day. Or if I am high, it doesn't prevent me from doing anything, including driving...but I hesitate to smoke and run right out and drive. Where I live, that is jail if caught. No discussion.
The people I am talking about who grow that many plants are in Colorado and they have been growing for a very long time now. The created the 'Charlotte's Web' strain. Created or discovered, not sure which. They grow a LOT of medical marijuana in that business. This year they expect to grow over a thousand pounds. However many plants that would take, I have no way of knowing, but I deduced it would take a zit load of plants to come up with that measure. A few turn overs in one year for sure. In the doc the grower talks about his perpetual growing. Like we talk about ours! Very intelligent people running a grow operation unlike any anywhere out in the open. There may be growers on the down low, like in the one also shown in the doc. There is a man growing an entire football field sized greenhouse of plants. How many are in that room? A football field is what, 100 yards by 50 yards? That is the size of this growers greenhouse and they are growing for medical purposes under cover. Very professional scientists.
Take a look here:
We need these type of documentaries on a loop until all the yahoos understand this i snot just for recreation. I hate that name for it. There was a MMJ summit I watched on C-SPAN last week. They may show it again if you search their site. It was very interesting and they address some of the language surrounding the field. Some of the names of strains which are questionable if we are to be taken seriously.
The people I am talking about who grow that many plants are in Colorado and they have been growing for a very long time now. The created the 'Charlotte's Web' strain. Created or discovered, not sure which. They grow a LOT of medical marijuana in that business. This year they expect to grow over a thousand pounds. However many plants that would take, I have no way of knowing, but I deduced it would take a zit load of plants to come up with that measure. A few turn overs in one year for sure. In the doc the grower talks about his perpetual growing. Like we talk about ours! Very intelligent people running a grow operation unlike any anywhere out in the open. There may be growers on the down low, like in the one also shown in the doc. There is a man growing an entire football field sized greenhouse of plants. How many are in that room? A football field is what, 100 yards by 50 yards? That is the size of this growers greenhouse and they are growing for medical purposes under cover. Very professional scientists.
Take a look here:
We need these type of documentaries on a loop until all the yahoos understand this i snot just for recreation. I hate that name for it. There was a MMJ summit I watched on C-SPAN last week. They may show it again if you search their site. It was very interesting and they address some of the language surrounding the field. Some of the names of strains which are questionable if we are to be taken seriously.
Gfcollective
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those growers behind charoletts web are called the stanley boys fyi. also have a show called 'American Weed' it was nice to see a year or so ago when CNN finally was saying that marijuana is medicine in that part of a show that you posted a clip of. very nice show that aired on CNN awhile ago.
i go with an old poster i seen awhile ago.
You dont like alcohol, dont drink it.
you dont like sex, dont have it.
you dont like marijuana, dont smoke it.
you dont like guns, dont buy one.
it goes on and on..
but the point is, just because somethings not for you. dont try and outlaw it for others.
no harm to anyone, just know your limits.
I&i
the stanley boys are the ones that made me decided to go as far as i have with CBD's. many other storys have influenced it as well, but American Weed series was the final push on the envelope.
i go with an old poster i seen awhile ago.
You dont like alcohol, dont drink it.
you dont like sex, dont have it.
you dont like marijuana, dont smoke it.
you dont like guns, dont buy one.
it goes on and on..
but the point is, just because somethings not for you. dont try and outlaw it for others.
no harm to anyone, just know your limits.
I&i
the stanley boys are the ones that made me decided to go as far as i have with CBD's. many other storys have influenced it as well, but American Weed series was the final push on the envelope.
GardenFaerie
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I will have to check out American Weed. I know there was a part one to the show I put the link to. Also the Stanley brothers. It's quite the operation they have there. I posted the entire show, not just a clip...
And OMG, I would never tell anyone they couldn't do something. Well, rape would be a no. Sorry, my sarcasm...
Anyway, I agree with that little slogan run. Not gay, don't marry the same sex. On and on is right.
I truly do think we are headed toward a very different America once the kids like my niece who went from A&M University, graduate with 4.0 in Environmental Sciences, immediately joins the Peace Corps and is currently in her first week in Manilla, The Philippines. Her generation who grew up knowing weed is safer than alcohol and hard drugs and that we know, never killed anybody.
I just realized we're doing this in a sponsored journal. I am sorry Fifi. If you want to continue this, let's move it to my off topic journal below in my sig. Okay? I like this discussion.
And OMG, I would never tell anyone they couldn't do something. Well, rape would be a no. Sorry, my sarcasm...
Anyway, I agree with that little slogan run. Not gay, don't marry the same sex. On and on is right.
I truly do think we are headed toward a very different America once the kids like my niece who went from A&M University, graduate with 4.0 in Environmental Sciences, immediately joins the Peace Corps and is currently in her first week in Manilla, The Philippines. Her generation who grew up knowing weed is safer than alcohol and hard drugs and that we know, never killed anybody.
I just realized we're doing this in a sponsored journal. I am sorry Fifi. If you want to continue this, let's move it to my off topic journal below in my sig. Okay? I like this discussion.
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I have both a Mars II 900 and a Mars II 1200. The 900 is plenty for a 1.2mx1.2mx2m growing space.
This is what I produced with Top LED
...And that's from a single plant! I'm not boasting, merely stating a fact
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Growlow
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Hi, i just reply your PM. please check it. hope it can help u!
I hope that didn't come across as rude I understand that you would be busy. I have sent you another message again thank you for your correspondence
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replied u again.
I hope that didn't come across as rude I understand that you would be busy. I have sent you another message again thank you for your correspondence
Gfcollective
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Can't believe I signed in for this..
If your going to factor in gram per watt don't leave out how much longer lumen life u will get out of a led as well as the electricity saved from not needing that extra inline fan or ac unit to help keep Temps down depending on your setup. There are many factors to take into consideration, I for one am to tired and will be back in this thread tomorrow I'm in the garden.
Also, didn't we buy it for the disco lights? Haha so perrrtyyyy
I&I
Edit : resin, for that top shelfness
If your going to factor in gram per watt don't leave out how much longer lumen life u will get out of a led as well as the electricity saved from not needing that extra inline fan or ac unit to help keep Temps down depending on your setup. There are many factors to take into consideration, I for one am to tired and will be back in this thread tomorrow I'm in the garden.
Also, didn't we buy it for the disco lights? Haha so perrrtyyyy
I&I
Edit : resin, for that top shelfness
GoogleGenie
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Just me 10 pence, but PAR is the one you should care about. Lumen is an inaccurate way to gauge LED vs HID. LED produced far less lumens than HID, but a lot of those lumens are wasted. It's the PAR value that is important to the plants.
I hope you all have a great day!
GardenFaerie
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Then move on. We like one another and are just people growing weed. Most of us are MMJ users. Very few are pros. If you open your eyes you would glean who those pros are and gently ask your questions. Seek life elsewhere if this is another sucky forum. I'm sure you can troll around on any number of other sucky forums. Nobody here sells pot for a living on the streets. Profit margin is never a discussion I see anywhere on 420. So, do whatever, but do it somewhere else if you can't be pleasant.
Grams per watt is a funny number and always has been. It depends how long you veg, for one thing. If I have a huge space and veg for six months with training to make an even canopy, I'm going to get more grams per watt... How about a grams per day figure? I may get more grams per watt by training, but I'll get fewer grams per day. :
:Grams per watt is one of those things where a grower will set a goal of reaching a gram per watt. When they do, they do many different things to reach that goal, maintaining a perfect environment, training, medium and feeding routines, CO2 enrichment. Lots of things effect yield besides the lights. You aren't stupid handy, but you may want to take some time thinking about how useful or unuseful grams per watt actually is. Considering grams per day is a good way to put it into perspective.
Also, Handy, don't worry, the lights work great!
i been also want to know the watt per gram. No one here has confirm that top led can produce close to one gram per watt. Its funny how every time someone ask about it we get different answer lol. For some people gram per watt is important. If top led can't produce enough med to last me until the next harvest then i will have to spent also of extra money to buy from the cannabis club. I totally understand where u coming from handyman.