Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

[InTheShed]

Me too. I would love to pop in and have a smoke with you Sue x
I'll take a look at the soy wax. I did make a topical some time ago and i used beeswax. It was very greasy and it never seemed to soak in properly, it was uncomfortable so i never used it. I hope to avoid that this time round

Howdy Chew! Having a never-ending headache must be horrible! Mine are tension headaches that move into the migraine realm when left unchecked. Though sometimes they are straight migraines.

I've got a few things to mention.

First is that, as Magnus8 stated above, "...any time you spread a wax onto your skin your are spreading a thin barrier across its surface. That's right. You are providing a barrier to the cannabinoids from entering and soaking into the skin. So, by adding wax to your concoctions you are actually making them weaker in strength." I believe this from a scientific standpoint and have found it true experientially. In addition, wax never gets absorbed so you will always have a layer of wax/oil on your skin until you wipe it off.

Second is that I have tried three different oils: grapeseed, pumpkin seed, and fractionated coconut oil. Both grape and pumpkin seed oil are very absorbable and will get absorbed into the skin with the THC very quickly. I would add some fractionated coconut seed oil if you want something with a consistency more like massage oil. 75/25 would probably be enough, but I stick with grape/pumpkin seed now.

Third is that I have not found topical oil to work as a muscle relaxant. Massage and heat work to loosen muscles but my experience is that topical oils work more on the nerves than the muscles. It's not absorbed into the muscular layers as it won't penetrate that deeply. That said, it does work on headaches and I massage it into the pad of skin at the top of the spine, neck, shoulders, hairline, temples, and even into the scalp. Don't skimp.

And lastly, you might want to look into Fioricet for your tension headaches. It's a mild barbiturate (does not make me sleepy at all), caffeine (maybe why!), and Tylenol. I have taken it for 30 years now and it works 80% of the time if I take it early enough. A doctor told me to "never chase a headache." The second you think you are getting one, do something about it. These days I take it with an Advil as well (your body changes after 30 years ). Fioricet can't be taken daily as it can create rebound headaches, but my headaches are more a once or twice a week thing. When I take it, I also break out the oil to hit it on all fronts!

I hope that's helpful . Take care!

 

[Chew]

Howdy Chew! Having a never-ending headache must be horrible! Mine are tension headaches that move into the migraine realm when left unchecked. Though sometimes they are straight migraines.

I've got a few things to mention.

First is that, as Magnus8 stated above, "...any time you spread a wax onto your skin your are spreading a thin barrier across its surface. That's right. You are providing a barrier to the cannabinoids from entering and soaking into the skin. So, by adding wax to your concoctions you are actually making them weaker in strength." I believe this from a scientific standpoint and have found it true experientially. In addition, wax never gets absorbed so you will always have a layer of wax/oil on your skin until you wipe it off.

Second is that I have tried three different oils: grapeseed, pumpkin seed, and fractionated coconut oil. Both grape and pumpkin seed oil are very absorbable and will get absorbed into the skin with the THC very quickly. I would add some fractionated coconut seed oil if you want something with a consistency more like massage oil. 75/25 would probably be enough, but I stick with grape/pumpkin seed now.

Third is that I have not found topical oil to work as a muscle relaxant. Massage and heat work to loosen muscles but my experience is that topical oils work more on the nerves than the muscles. It's not absorbed into the muscular layers as it won't penetrate that deeply. That said, it does work on headaches and I massage it into the pad of skin at the top of the spine, neck, shoulders, hairline, temples, and even into the scalp. Don't skimp.

And lastly, you might want to look into Fioricet for your tension headaches. It's a mild barbiturate (does not make me sleepy at all), caffeine (maybe why!), and Tylenol. I have taken it for 30 years now and it works 80% of the time if I take it early enough. A doctor told me to "never chase a headache." The second you think you are getting one, do something about it. These days I take it with an Advil as well (your body changes after 30 years ). Fioricet can't be taken daily as it can create rebound headaches, but my headaches are more a once or twice a week thing. When I take it, I also break out the oil to hit it on all fronts!

I hope that's helpful . Take care!

Very helpful indeed. Thank you for your reply I've never thought of it as chasing a headache. I try not to take anything until i cant take it any longer due to the amount of pills i've taken over the years. Every time i take them i wonder what it's doing to me! lol

Do you add any other oils such as peppermint, lavender etc ? Are your topicals just THC or with CBD too?

 

[InTheShed]

Very helpful indeed. Thank you for your reply I've never thought of it as chasing a headache. I try not to take anything until i cant take it any longer due to the amount of pills i've taken over the years. Every time i take them i wonder what it doing to me! lol
Do you add any other oils such as peppermint, lavender etc ? Are your topical just THC or with CBD too?

It's hard for any drug to undo what is going on with a headache, so I have found it's always best not to try to "tough it out." The sooner I take the Fioricet the better my day goes! And the oil always comes out at the same time. I've gotten to know my headaches pretty well and can tell when I can hit it with just the oil and when I've got to take the pills. Most times I guess correctly .

No essential oils in mine. I like the smell of dope and I believe it dissipates pretty quickly as the oil gets absorbed. No one at work has told me I smell like a dispensary!

And my topicals are all THC. SweetSue has been researching whether CBD (or CBDa) is effective in topicals, but at this point THC seems to be the thing for pain.

One last thing...get yourself a bed buddy! I have two, one for the back of my neck and one to wrap around my forehead. 1min 45 sec in the microwave. Works a treat!

 

[SweetSue]

@InTheShed, you use your oils straight, without wax? Somehow I missed that. Are you using the roller dispensers?

This is what comes of my not reading from the beginning. I pretty much looked for something that would work and stopped looking when I found it. I know.... so out of character. And I give a lot of this pain cream away too.

I wonder if those that don't have a positive response to my simple cream are doing so because of a penetration issue? It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

My creams work well with wax, and I'm not alone, so somethings going on. However, if we can simplify the process and at the same time get better penetration, I'm all for it. The oil I use on my face has no wax in it, but it's coconut, and I know that means I'm still not getting the best penetration.

So much going on right now. The daughter shared that once she get comfortable with growing she'll explore topicals so I don't have to. She has the better nose.

I'd like to take a better look at your personal recipe, if you don't mind.

 

[InTheShed]

I'd like to take a better look at your personal recipe, if you don't mind.

My recipe so simple it doesn't even qualify as a recipe! As I mentioned, I'm currently using 50/50 grape/pumpkin seed oil. I might just go with grapeseed next time because I can get that anywhere. Pumpkin seed I got from Amazon.

InTheShed Highly Absorbent Topical Oil
Oil
Cannabis

That's it. I used Oldbear's spreadsheet to figure out how much cannabis to use based on the 2 cup minimum for the MB2e machine. I've decided the oil doesn't need to cover all the bud at the beginning because the machine eventually grinds it anyway. I aim for close to 15mg THC/ml oil. 8 hours at 160º.

I pour it into these roll on applicators:

Vivaplex, 6, Cobalt Blue, 10 ml Glass Roll-on Bottles with Stainless Steel Roller Balls

Easy!

 

[SweetSue]

My recipe so simple it doesn't even qualify as a recipe! As I mentioned, I'm currently using 50/50 grape/pumpkin seed oil. I might just go with grapeseed next time because I can get that anywhere. Pumpkin seed I got from Amazon.

InTheShed Highly Absorbent Topical Oil
Oil
Cannabis

That's it. I used Oldbear's spreadsheet to figure out how much cannabis to use based on the 2 cup minimum for the MB2e machine. I've decided the oil doesn't need to cover all the bud at the beginning because the machine eventually grinds it anyway. I aim for close to 15mg THC/ml oil. 8 hours at 160º.

I pour it into these roll on applicators:

Vivaplex, 6, Cobalt Blue, 10 ml Glass Roll-on Bottles with Stainless Steel Roller Balls

Easy!

Thank you Shed. I placed my order. I'll return the other containers and get a credit. I shop there all the time. Lol!

I'll continue making the soy wax version until I'm out of supplies, because it's working, and I still have a bit of it, but I'll be shifting production.

Thanks again.

 

[HashGirl]

My recipe so simple it doesn't even qualify as a recipe! As I mentioned, I'm currently using 50/50 grape/pumpkin seed oil. I might just go with grapeseed next time because I can get that anywhere. Pumpkin seed I got from Amazon.

InTheShed Highly Absorbent Topical Oil
Oil
Cannabis

That's it. I used Oldbear's spreadsheet to figure out how much cannabis to use based on the 2 cup minimum for the MB2e machine. I've decided the oil doesn't need to cover all the bud at the beginning because the machine eventually grinds it anyway. I aim for close to 15mg THC/ml oil. 8 hours at 160º.

I pour it into these roll on applicators:

Vivaplex, 6, Cobalt Blue, 10 ml Glass Roll-on Bottles with Stainless Steel Roller Balls
Easy!

I just looked at pumpkin seed oil on Amazon Canada and it's pricey. Is it worth the cost to try? For example, a 125 mL bottle starts at $12 and prices go up exponentially to a high of $58 for 1 Litre.

 

[Ms Stank]

Howdy Chew! Having a never-ending headache must be horrible! Mine are tension headaches that move into the migraine realm when left unchecked. Though sometimes they are straight migraines.

This is what happens to me, as well. I have never heard of Fioricet. I take Excedrine Tension pills at the onset....though I will admit I try to tough them out because I dislike taking pain medicine. I use Magnus' latest recipe, but I don't think I apply it in the correct spots to combat headaches because at best it just takes the edge off. Next batch I will be using more CBD, to see what difference there is so I am looking forward to my Harlequin finishing up!

 

[HashGirl]

This is what happens to me, as well. I have never heard of Fioricet. I take Excedrine Tension pills at the onset....though I will admit I try to tough them out because I dislike taking pain medicine. I use Magnus' latest recipe, but I don't think I apply it in the correct spots to combat headaches because at best it just takes the edge off. Next batch I will be using more CBD, to see what difference there is so I am looking forward to my Harlequin finishing up!

Ms Stank, do you know what the correct spots are or do you need that info? I kinda know but I know that @SweetSue would know 100%.

 

[Ms Stank]

Ms Stank, do you know what the correct spots are or do you need that info? I kinda know but I know that @SweetSue would know 100%.

I would love to know the right spots for headaches as well as endometriosis related cramps for a relative

 

[HashGirl]

I hope Sue pipes in here if I'm wrong since I only know the basics but I read somewhere on 420 that if you rub at the base of your neck where your neck bone connects to your spine when you feel a headache coming on, it will stop it better than any pill. The part I'm not 100% sure about is where exactly you should be putting the cream/oil, whatever and that's why I hope Sue and I think @InTheShed might know, too if @SweetSue is too busy.

 

[HashGirl]

For endometriosis, you'll have to ask Sue separately perhaps she might know because I don't. Good luck.

 

[InTheShed]

I just looked at pumpkin seed oil on Amazon Canada and it's pricey. Is it worth the cost to try?

I think you'll be fine with good grapeseed oil. Save the money for seeds!

This is what happens to me, as well. I have never heard of Fioricet. I take Excedrine Tension pills at the onset....though I will admit I try to tough them out because I dislike taking pain medicine. I use Magnus' latest recipe, but I don't think I apply it in the correct spots to combat headaches because at best it just takes the edge off. Next batch I will be using more CBD, to see what difference there is so I am looking forward to my Harlequin finishing up!

That Harley is a beauty by the way!

Taking the edge off is the best the oil can do for me once the headache has taken hold, but as I mentioned, toughing it out rarely works for me. Fioricet changed my life when I discovered it in 1988.

The pad of skin where the spine meets the cervical vertebrae holds a collection of unmyelinated nerve endings so that's the place to target. But that's usually my starting point and I go up the back and sides of my neck and into my hairline as well. Sometimes the trapezius muscles as well at the top of the shoulders.

Don't have any info on uterine pains so someone else will have to take that one.

 

[HashGirl]

Which are also crazy expensive especially when they fail.

 

[InTheShed]

Which are also crazy expensive especially when they fail.

True. Dud seeds, feh!

 

[SweetSue]

I would love to know the right spots for headaches as well as endometriosis related cramps for a relative

For headaches I hit the Dorsal Medial Radii (DMR), which is located at the top of your back. It’s where the hump forms from bending over our devices. You’re best to hit it early on, but we’ve been successful at stopping a migraine at the beginning of the debilitating pain by applying there, working up to the hairline, at the temples, and on the sternum, rubbing up the neck.

I like to hit the lymph nodes on either side of the neck too.

My daughter uses the cream for cramps, applied at the small of the back and on the lower abdominals. She claims that stops the pain for hours.

For endometriosis I’d suggest those same spots, but also consider cannabis bath bombs. Soaking in epsoms mixed with infused cannabis oil can be incredibly therapeutic.

 

[nivek]

Sue, et all, too funny, too rapid,, cannabis rapido, in a speedo, I dunno

I just get settled in on making pain cream with bees wax,, because it is the absolute ultimate,,

Or perhaps not,, or perhaps,, still dunno

But I get the evolution,, sure hard to keep up tho

I gotta buncha bees wax pellets to use up,, and the cream is nice just for the rubbing part alone, or perhaps for the massaging is a better word

Since reading of the logic of the wax barrier, perhaps logical,, still dunno,, but since then, and because I have this tincture previously made,, same as the cream, just different carrier,, right???

I have been using the vodka tincture same as the cream,, results are pending,,

But,, sue,, please,, aid me with my research iffin you might,,


Does a tincture penetrate the cannabis into the skin??


It is nice because of the instant evaporation and zero smell near immediately aftery


Me missus has a knee replacement in her very near future, and double carpel tunnel surgery even before that


Oh my gosh,, what the sixties have brought upon us,, quite astounding,, and i dont mean the Beatles either


So,, i am using this cream, or,, er,, she is using this cream, and now the tincture I think, till i figure this all out,, or I mean, till you figure it it all out and let us know

CCheer tireless sue, cheers to to you

 

[SweetSue]

Sue, et all, too funny, too rapid,, cannabis rapido, in a speedo, I dunno

I just get settled in on making pain cream with bees wax,, because it is the absolute ultimate,,

Or perhaps not,, or perhaps,, still dunno

But I get the evolution,, sure hard to keep up tho

I gotta buncha bees wax pellets to use up,, and the cream is nice just for the rubbing part alone, or perhaps for the massaging is a better word

Since reading of the logic of the wax barrier, perhaps logical,, still dunno,, but since then, and because I have this tincture previously made,, same as the cream, just different carrier,, right???

I have been using the vodka tincture same as the cream,, results are pending,,

But,, sue,, please,, aid me with my research iffin you might,,


Does a tincture penetrate the cannabis into the skin??


It is nice because of the instant evaporation and zero smell near immediately aftery


Me missus has a knee replacement in her very near future, and double carpel tunnel surgery even before that


Oh my gosh,, what the sixties have brought upon us,, quite astounding,, and i dont mean the Beatles either


So,, i am using this cream, or,, er,, she is using this cream, and now the tincture I think, till i figure this all out,, or I mean, till you figure it it all out and let us know

CCheer tireless sue, cheers to to you

Life really got started in my sixties nivek.

Hmmmm...... Off the top of my head I can't see why the tincture wouldn't work, but you're outside my pay grade I'm afraid. Have you tried it? Did it work? I'd be interested to hear about it. The problem I see with using a tincture for a topical is how quickly the alcohol would evaporate, which might not be long enough to transport any cannabinoids, or not enough to be successful.

But I've never tried.

What I'm switching to is a simple oil for application as a topical. The challenge I was facing before was using an oil that would penetrate better than coconut, which, to be honest, is just a tad too greasy. I'll be working to find a mix that works for me, and what InTheShed uses sounds good.

I have lots of supplies too nivek. Lol! Just got an order of soy wax, deodorant containers and lip gloss containers. Now I have a dozen 10ml roller ball applicators coming and I'm switching game plans.

It's a fluid process.

The cream I make now with soy wax is getting my friends relief, so if that's what they want to continue getting that's good with me. My daughter informed me that she prefers the body butters over plain oil, but she's willing to try the new formula and applicators.

I have a weakness for blue glass. Those jars are so pretty.

The wife has cannabis available. That'll go a long way to manage pain. There's a thread on getting through without opiates that might be worth the read. Lots of variety is the key, and a good topical or two is worth it's weight in gold.

Once they allow it a comfrey poultice will do wonders to heal both wrist and knee. If it were me I'd be doing that now with both. Also, carpal tunnel is often the mistaken diagnosis for severely tense rhomboids that will pinch off the nerves that feed the wrist complex. Try deep muscle massage in the upper and mid-back before surgery to be sure. 3-4 sessions may change her life, and if it is the tension, surgery can be avoided.

 

[nivek]

Reps sue,, cheers

 

[SweetSue]

Reps sue,, cheers

My pleasure nivek. Study and share often enough and this stuff starts to stick in the brain in an organized way. Lol!