Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

keshazel said:
Thanks Shed, yes I realized I was wrong about the THC. As I said, I decarboxylate my night time rosin. I'll be using the cream during the day to dose some of the properties destroyed by decarboxylation. Raw cannabis is definitely beneficial and rosin is the sap extract from the plant. I'm hopeful that the cream will cross the blood brain barrier and work on the other conditions I have, such as glaucoma, kidney disease, and sleep apnea, to name a few. I'm planning on rubbing it in after showers, and after hand washing throughout the day. If I need a pain cream, I can make one. It's just not a primary concern right now.
You see stories of people with cancer macro dosing. My initial attraction was to that and blasting my many conditions, much like cancer patients do. But I've learned from all of you and am trusting that micro dosing will accomplish more in the long run. The only thing I'm doing differently is that I am using rosin to make my remedies instead of CCO, trim, bud or shake. With edibles, smoking, vaping, and tinctures unlikely treatment modalities for me, cream seems the best way. Later on I will work my way to using raw plant matter to make my cream.
Regards, Kelly
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The cream will not cross the blood brain barrier as it will not transmit any cannabinoids (THCa, THC, CBDa, CBD, etc) into the bloodstream. Because the cannabinoids will not enter the bloodstream, the ailments you listed aren't treatable with a topical skin cream, with the exception of chronic itchiness and possibly some arthritis pain.
 
I may be wrong about the blood-brain barrier. But there have been anectodal reports of topicals improving peoples' moods. People make transdermal patches to treat these conditions.
From Leafly:
Leafly also says, "As the plant dries, THCA slowly converts to THC"

With all that is now being revealed about the benefits of raw cannabis, I have to believe that the benefit goes beyond effectiveness for itchiness and arthritis.
 
I feel like I am not communicating well here, as I never said anything about a lack of benefits of raw cannabis. We're discussing cannabis applied to the skin and if it's helpful for what ails you. And while it's true that THCa will slowly convert to THC as well as CBN over time, it's not helpful to this discussion. Why wait if you want THC when you can decarb it now. If you don't want THC, don't wait or decarb it.

I had already mentioned the difference between creams and transdermal patches. If you're planning on making your own transdermal patch, that's not a cream so we're getting our terms confused. Anecdotal reports aside, tests on people using topicals (creams, butters, salves, ointments) come back negative for THC, which is why it can be used by people who get drug tested.

While smelling cannabis alone can improve one's mood, you seem to be attempting to alleviate a number of non-mood-related conditions with something that will not raise the cannabinoid level of your bloodstream. But if you're making a transdermal patch, let us know! I'm curious as to how that's done.

:Namaste:
 
InTheShed, thanks for clarifying everything. I guess my cloudy mind is not absorbing what I'm reading; not just this thread. I won't be making a patch. And I can't take THC during the day. I'm only up to a few drops at night because my tolerance is so low. I can't stand to feel any higher. I don't know what else to do. Thanks again for your feedback. Kelly
 
keshazel said:
InTheShed, thanks for clarifying everything. I guess my cloudy mind is not absorbing what I'm reading; not just this thread. I won't be making a patch. And I can't take THC during the day. I'm only up to a few drops at night because my tolerance is so low. I can't stand to feel any higher. I don't know what else to do. Thanks again for your feedback. Kelly
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Is the "high" the reason you can't take THC during the day? If so, this might be an opportunity for THCa. Also, I have read that THC suppositories produce less euphoria. Lastly, the addition of CBD to your mix should counteract the euphoric effect of the THC.
 
keshazel said:
Sadly, the addition of CBD doesn't counteract the high for me in any meaningful way. I don't know what you mean "opportunity for THCa"?

I still think the cream will have some benefit; maybe what I had imagined.
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I just meant that you could try THCa during the day to avoid the high.
 
Will be back, and forth,,,, bare within me pls
 
Might I ask a q that comes straight from Tonya hardings neighbourhood,, in a pinch, can one use beeswax candles for the wax?

Understanding that purity of the wax might be suspect


I am only on page four so far,,o_O
 
nivek said:
Might I ask a q that comes straight from Tonya hardings neighbourhood,, in a pinch, can one use beeswax candles for the wax?

Understanding that purity of the wax might be suspect


I am only on page four so far,,o_O
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Beeswax candles are simply beeswax formed into a candle shape. Use them. It's a topical filled with cannabinoids. Melting the wax into the oil will kill anything that might have taken up residence, I'm sure.
 
SweetSue said:
Beeswax candles are simply beeswax formed into a candle shape. Use them. It's a topical filled with cannabinoids. Melting the wax into the oil will kill anything that might have taken up residence, I'm sure.
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GGosh we think alike,

a lot,

I like

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Hello everyone. I just read this entire thread and got caught up. Awesome information!!
I have been making canna/coconut (2 oz of mid/popcorn buds to 16 oz oil) with essential oils. I use this on my sore back and other sore mussels. It is greasy but it works wonders for my pain. I was about to make another batch and I am so glad I found this info.
I am going to order grape seed oil and pumpkin seed oil next. I have been sold on the coconut oil, because that is all I really knew to use. If grape seed and pumpkin oil are better carriers, then it must be an amazing pain reliever and muscle relaxer.
I am totally following this thread and appreciate everybody's valuable contributions.
 
Diggler420 said:
Hello everyone. I just read this entire thread and got caught up. Awesome information!! I have been making canna/coconut (2 oz of mid/popcorn buds to 16 oz oil) with essential oils. I use this on my sore back and other sore mussels. It is greasy but it works wonders for my pain. I was about to make another batch and I am so glad I found this info. I am going to order grape seed oil and pumpkin seed oil next. I have been sold on the coconut oil, because that is all I really knew to use. If grape seed and pumpkin oil are better carriers, then it must be an amazing pain reliever and muscle relaxer. I am totally following this thread and appreciate everybody's valuable contributions.
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Glad you found this and welcome! The entire thread? You're a brave person (with a lot of time on their hands :)). I think you'll be happy with the new oils and the relief they'll bring. I put your numbers into the spreadsheet that Oldbear created and you are around 9mg/ml THC if we use 10% THC for the larf. If you want it stronger see if you can get the material covered with a little less oil next time.

Keep us posted...we love success stories here :thumb:.
 
Diggler420 said:
Hello everyone. I just read this entire thread and got caught up. Awesome information!!
I have been making canna/coconut (2 oz of mid/popcorn buds to 16 oz oil) with essential oils. I use this on my sore back and other sore mussels. It is greasy but it works wonders for my pain. I was about to make another batch and I am so glad I found this info.
I am going to order grape seed oil and pumpkin seed oil next. I have been sold on the coconut oil, because that is all I really knew to use. If grape seed and pumpkin oil are better carriers, then it must be an amazing pain reliever and muscle relaxer.
I am totally following this thread and appreciate everybody's valuable contributions.
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This is wonderful to hear that you get good effect with such a small concentration. My topical oils are one gram of bud for every ml of oil. Lol! You can imagine how much more effectively it hits pain.

I’ve made the topicals in lower concentrations, with much more oil, and they were so greasy that I had to have disposable clothing when I used them. When I upped the concentration of buds and added wax that changed the effect dramatically.

At Magnus’s and InTheShed’s encouragement I’m going to use fractionated coconut oil in my next batch.

Guys.... I made a batch recently that I didn’t mask well enough with lavender and possibly other essential oils. Learning as I go. :straightface: Now I have to resort to explaining to the reciepients how to melt it down and add some drops of fragrance at their end.

It’s not unusable, just inconvenient. Why are we so afraid of smelling like we’re healing? *sigh* Should have listened to Dave and used more drops. This was a batch I used a lot of trim in, hoping to be able to find a better use for it. From now on I’ll stick to buds and trust my daughter’s olfactory system for the smell test. This batch I did without her sniffer as a control, and I learned that from now on she’s an essential member of the team.

I’ll keep that batch for our use. We don’t care if we carry the scent of our favorite plant. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
InTheShed, thanks for calculating the mg for me. I llove this amazing butter. I left this thread open on my iPad and it was my evening read for the last three days. I really do want to gather as much knowledge as I can. I test everything on my self and then I share with a small group of people with similar ailments.
SweetSue, you are the queen of oils! I have been on your study page and I am blown away with your determination and drive. I made Rick Simpson oil, after reading your thread. I used ever clear to extract. It turned out perfect and it is currently being used (tacking on gums) by a lady that can not have sugar. She loves it.
Oooo that smell. being in a state that would put you in handcuffs and throw you in jail if they smell the odor of cannibas, I have used peppermint, lemongrass and tea tre oil to help mask the scent. I now have a closet full of tshirts that are white on the font and green on the back.
When I first meet with a new patient, I go over there current drug treatment. 90% of them are treating there back and neck pain with hydrocodone and flexeral. Occasionally an oral steroid. In my opinion, these drugs just do not measure up to the amazing bennifits of butters, oils and lotions. They really do work.
This sounds crazy but when I have overworked my back, in pain and not as mobile as I should be, I will put my coconut butter on my back. I can relax and feel my spinal tendons relax. They will even pop and adjust back into place just like using heat, cold and a professional adjusting your back. I like the fact that it is immediately going to work (3-5 min).
 
Also, my daughter is in college and will be home next week for spring break. She suffers from severe menstrual cramps and she has used my last concoction on her stomach to help sooth the cramps and pain. I am going to the health food store today to pick up some ingredients. We will spend some time working with new oils, waxes, and butters. I am excited to be able to do this with my daughter and I will document and post the results here.
I am going to go ahead an decarb one ounce and start infusing an ounce of decarb and an ounce of regular int oil. That way we can just focus on our ratio and not have to wait for the infusion.
The sad part is, I will have to "mule" her medicine to her apartment. I will take the felony risk of driving with her non edible butter to help her with her pain. The Dr.'s have prescribed her flexeral and hydrocodone too (must be their only solution).
 
I am planning ahead for a lotion too. Since the ratio to oil and water are huge, how strong can I make my oil. This is for people that do not have access to concentrate bho or rick Simpson oil.
So, if I use 2 Oz of bud to 16 Oz of oil and then I am at 9 mg thc, can I strain and then take the infused oil and add another 2 Oz and slow cook/infuse the mixture. I would think that would not be a problem, but how concentrated can I make my oil using the crock pot method. At some point the oil soluble cannabis may stop being extracted but I am not sure where that point is.
 
Diggler420 said:
I am planning ahead for a lotion too. Since the ratio to oil and water are huge, how strong can I make my oil. This is for people that do not have access to concentrate bho or rick Simpson oil.
So, if I use 2 Oz of bud to 16 Oz of oil and then I am at 9 mg thc, can I strain and then take the infused oil and add another 2 Oz and slow cook/infuse the mixture. I would think that would not be a problem, but how concentrated can I make my oil using the crock pot method. At some point the oil soluble cannabis may stop being extracted but I am not sure where that point is.
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Once I looked at the lotion ingredients, I passed! I went straight to ointment/salve which for me is just oil and beeswax. I find the smell goes away within 10 minutes for all my topicals so I don't add any masking oils.

I ended up with 33 grams beeswax in 6 ounces of oil to get the consistency I wanted. I'd probably go a bit softer if I did it again, but now I just use oil in a nice little roll-on applicator.
 
Diggler420 said:
I am planning ahead for a lotion too. Since the ratio to oil and water are huge, how strong can I make my oil. This is for people that do not have access to concentrate bho or rick Simpson oil.
So, if I use 2 Oz of bud to 16 Oz of oil and then I am at 9 mg thc, can I strain and then take the infused oil and add another 2 Oz and slow cook/infuse the mixture. I would think that would not be a problem, but how concentrated can I make my oil using the crock pot method. At some point the oil soluble cannabis may stop being extracted but I am not sure where that point is.
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Crap, sorry...I forgot to answer your question! The answer is YES, yes you can. I did the exact same thing after discovering my oil was around 7mg/ml. I ran it again per OldBear's recommendation and just added the new number to the old one and got the final concentration up to around 13mg/ml.


Sorry, I don't know the saturation point of THC in these oils.

OldBear's spreadsheet here:
Concentration and Doseage Calculator

Basic instructions:
If you're not doing custom blends like OldBear does, you can just use the first column. It works in grams and milliliters, so you'll need to convert your ounces of oil to ml.

Once you have the spreadsheet open on your computer, you start by entering the percentage of THC you think is in the material you will be using. I always use 10% because I'd rather err on the side of caution. If you know you have a high THC strain you can use a different number there. I leave the CBD % at 0 because there's hardly any in the strains I have on hand.

Next you will enter the amount of material you will be using, post decarb. That weight goes in the spreadsheet where it says "Plant material in grams."

When you put in the weight of the buds and the amount of the oil, the result will be calculated in the green boxes on the bottom right under Dose ML.
 
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