I think she was struggling from the water only in flower. If you want to clear out your medium you need to top flush and feed immediately after. Not easy to do in a SIP but still the only true way to reset the medium.
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Most people water-feed or even water-water-feed. The water should pick up unused salts. I was thinking it would work the same with the SIP. Do you feed every time?
Every time. Other than Fox Farms I can't recall a nute that says FWFW. And I fed every time when I used Fox Farm as well!
Feed water feed water means you are feeding 50% strength nutes over time.
Feed water feed water means you are feeding 50% strength nutes over time.
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Well then... I guess I'll need to re-think the water breaks. I'll also look at getting the K back down near 200.
Remo says "we recommend feeding every time you water." No mention of alternating in the PB instructions either.
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I feed my girls thru the reservoir, but when I have a lockout, I use a foliar. Lockouts stay locked out even if you boost the product.
Mix up whatever nutrient you think you're missing, 1/4 the strength that you'd pour in the reservoir, add a couple drops of insecticidal soap (or 1 drop of dawn) and mist the leaves super lightly before lights out. Just a mist, not so much that they drip and not on the buds, just the lower foliage and fans.
It only takes 2 or 3 days of misting to see results.
You can lead a plant to nutrients, but you can't make it drink...
Mix up whatever nutrient you think you're missing, 1/4 the strength that you'd pour in the reservoir, add a couple drops of insecticidal soap (or 1 drop of dawn) and mist the leaves super lightly before lights out. Just a mist, not so much that they drip and not on the buds, just the lower foliage and fans.
It only takes 2 or 3 days of misting to see results.
You can lead a plant to nutrients, but you can't make it drink...
That's damn interesting Rhino.
If you take that approach what about the lockout in the soil? Will it clear with time?
RedskinnedRhino
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Alot of that would probably depend on where the lockout was coming from? Either the soil or the gardener's secret spices? But yes it probably would return eventually.
Blossom End Rot spray is basically just calcium water, but it could be the difference between big beautiful sweet tomatoes, and red and black rotten lumps on a stem. It won't add calcium to the soil and it won't stop whatever might be keeping the roots from uptaking calcium - but it will save your tomato harvest.
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Thanks again for all your help, Shed. Her res will be empty tomorrow morning, and I'll switch to this mix:
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I'm not sure she's locked out. She's still drinking about 2L/day. Is the locked out, or just not getting enough from her feed (or still showing issues from her water break)?
Thanks RSR, this is great information. I've never had to foliar feed before. In this case, what nutrient would you mix? The same as I'm feeding them (150N-50P-200K), or something with just PK (like sweet candy)?
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Thanks RSR, another great tip for my tomatoes outside. Luckily, I've managed to avoid blossom end rot this year. I credit the drip irrigation so they finally got consistent watering this year. If I do see it, though, I'll mix up some cal-mag in my sprayer and give them a feeding or three
Looks good to me, though I would recheck the numbers after you take the magnesium sulfate off the substance list (since it's not using it). Sometimes that changes the calculations.
RedskinnedRhino
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I'd foliar with a mix the micro nutes and the kelp juice for 3 days. If that didn't start her on the road to recovery, I'd go cal/mag and bloom nutes. One of those mixes should jump start the greenery.
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Thanks for the heads up, but it did not make a difference.
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Welcome back to the Vivosun Auto Oasis, a VIVOSUN 32x60x80 tent equipped with the Vivosun SGS.
VIVOSUN GrowHub 42A ** Currently set to -VEG- Mode
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Flowering, Intensity:100%, Sunrise/Sunset: YES (40 DLI)
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Julie (Herbies Seeds Girl Scout Cookies Auto)
Date: 8/10/23 Day# 72 Fday# 37
Medium: 5G SIP Bucket with FFHF & Dynomyco
Nutrients: Remo Nutrients
Pests: Fungus Gnats, Spider Mites
Date: 8/10/23 Day# 72 Fday# 37
Medium: 5G SIP Bucket with FFHF & Dynomyco
Nutrients: Remo Nutrients
Pests: Fungus Gnats, Spider Mites
Julie is still looking sad, although I'm not removing as many leaves as I was a couple of days ago. Today I flushed her with 5G of water, then fed her the new Remo blend. How do you flush a SIP? I 'attached' a smaller tube to the end of my shop vac and just vacuumed out any runoff as it went into the res. Meanwhile, I filled an old homebrewing bucket with 5G of water and used a piece of tubing to run the water through Julie.
You may think that the garden fabric and rocks on the top would make it more difficult/slower to water. It was just the opposite, though. I was able to water at a good pace without flooding certain areas or worrying about washing away soil. The rocks dispersed the water well, and then the fabric dispersed it again. Once she was flushed I finished with 2L of her new Remo blend at around 159N-57P-203K-115Ca-56Mg.
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She still has lots of bud on her, there's no way I'm giving up nowWhatever happens, no one can say you didn't give it your absolute best shot!
Good morning Cool Hand Luke
Not saying this is the way, it’s just a way I’ve found effective in my War on Mites. If I see even the tiniest bit of nit speckling I take the leaf off. I have found this has been super helpful in heading off the spread, well I think it has. That coupled with my Safers spray.
And I found this interesting, even though I knew this to be true with general gardening or that’s what my nursery guy told me in regards to gardenias. Plant health matters when it comes to pathogens and bugs. They go for the weakest link. I am doing a comparison grow with nutes, and the plant who powered in veg (zero spidermites) with Nutes B, but struggled with flower with Nutes B is the only plant to have small amounts of spidermites. The only reason it has stayed small is coz I check daily.
Not saying this is the way, it’s just a way I’ve found effective in my War on Mites. If I see even the tiniest bit of nit speckling I take the leaf off. I have found this has been super helpful in heading off the spread, well I think it has. That coupled with my Safers spray.
And I found this interesting, even though I knew this to be true with general gardening or that’s what my nursery guy told me in regards to gardenias. Plant health matters when it comes to pathogens and bugs. They go for the weakest link. I am doing a comparison grow with nutes, and the plant who powered in veg (zero spidermites) with Nutes B, but struggled with flower with Nutes B is the only plant to have small amounts of spidermites. The only reason it has stayed small is coz I check daily.
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Good morning Cool Hand Luke
Thanks Trala, I do the same. Especially if it's off on it's own, I'll pluck that leaf before that bugger spreads.
Yes, I've seen the same. If a plant gets weak they're more susceptible to bugs. I'm keeping a close eye on both of them.
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The Vivosun Auto Oasis
Featuring the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
Sponsored by VIVOSUN and Herbies US Express
Featuring the VIVOSUN Smart Grow System
Sponsored by VIVOSUN and Herbies US Express
Welcome back to the Vivosun Auto Oasis, a VIVOSUN 32x60x80 tent equipped with the Vivosun SGS.
VIVOSUN GrowHub 42A ** Currently set to -VEG- Mode
- AeroLight - The world’s first 100W LED grow light with an integrated circulatory fan
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Flowering, Intensity:100%, Sunrise/Sunset: YES (40 DLI)
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-24:00 - Natural (Mimics natural wind)
- AeroWave E6 oscillating grow tent fan - Oscillating using Circulation Fan settings above
- AeroZesh - 4" Ultra powerful automated exhaust fully programmable through the GrowHub
- 00:00-04:00 High 60% RH, Speed 3, default off
- 04:00-24:00 High 82F / 66% RH, Speed 6, default off
Vivosun AeroLight SE with GrowHub E25 ** Currently set to -FLOWER- Mode
- AeroLight SE - A compact, powerful version of the award winning AeroLight
- 00:00-04:00 OFF
- 04:00-24:00 Spectrum:Flowering, Intensity:100%, Sunrise/Sunset: YES
- Circulation Fan
- 00:00-24:00 - Natural
** All controlled on my smartphone through the VIVOSUN App (wi-fi)
Other Equipment:
Vivosun Air Circulator Fan with Remote - Oscillating horizontally and vertically on 'Natural Breeze' mode
Violet (Herbies Seeds Grandaddy Purple Auto)
Date: 8/11/23 Day# 19
Medium: 5G SIP Bucket with FFHF & Dynomyco
Nutrients: Geoflora Veg
Date: 8/11/23 Day# 19
Medium: 5G SIP Bucket with FFHF & Dynomyco
Nutrients: Geoflora Veg
Violet's been in her SIP for five days. If she stalled after the transplant I didn't notice it. I only put a liter in the res and she's not drinking much yet, as I'm sure she's still trying to get her taproot to the bottom. She's filled in her fourth node, though, and I've been watching the fifth come out. I could have snipped it yesterday, but I wanted to give it one more day to get a little longer. Besides, it was occupied at the time
This morning, on day# 19 from seed, Violet was topped above the 4th node. After I topped I gently shook the ladybug back onto her.
I usually start LST a couple of days later, but I've been breaking off limbs lately. I'm thinking of waiting a few more days before I start pulling her limbs down, allowing me to pull further away from the main stem. I may try using weights instead of carhooks & wire, too. I'll see how she looks over the next couple of days and go from there.
For now, she's getting about 20 DLI under her @VIVOSUN AeroLight. With the SGS keeping the VPD right around 1.1-1.2, she's got perfect growing conditions. I gave her another liter in the res this morning, along with some BTI & SNS-209. I'll give her a few days to recover from the topping, then I'll fill her res. By then she should be ready to really get moving.
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