Lemon Haze auto issue of watering

[Aweedtec]

The female Cannabis plants will often start to produce some male flowers if the plant does not get pollinated. The longer it is kept in flower the more likely that the plant will do this.

If you do not want the plant to form the parts of the male flower that produce the pollen then you have to think about harvesting earlier. You might even like the buzz or high better this way instead of the "couch lock" from growing for those 11 or more weeks.

Well that causes me to now want to know how to create more resin.
I believe its fine. But what I am trying to learn to produce is the stuff I used to see 35 years ago. I still see nothing like that and I dont care what people say about strength today. The stuff I saw just a few times when I was young, while already cured, looked like someone rolled it in sugar over and over and over again. This was rare. But when you saw this stuff you knew it was different. So far I have produced nothing like it and I've seen nothing like it at a dispensary.
Nowadays I hear people say "looks like it has sugar on it"
Um, the stuff I saw back then was super sticky, smoked excellent and it was in a regular zip lock bag. Everything I cure is way crunchier around the edges even with a RH of high 60s before its done. This stuff was unique.
Whoever was growing that stuff back then was a master. I know it was hydroponically grown. But I have seen Hydro grown today and it still is nothing like that stuff was.
So it wasnt the hydro that did it. It had to be something else.


I keep thinking its lights so I am trying deep red and adding it just to see. But the deep red bulb doesnt show up on the plant while the full spec light is on. But when I turn the full spec light out and test just the deep red bulb, sitting 36 inches or more above the plant at the plant photone says its over 700. So with the full spec light on i have got to be around 1200.

I still haven't got to flowering all my photos. Some are young and huge. Im going to run out of ceiling height I think.

 

[SmokingWings]

But what I am trying to learn to produce is the stuff I used to see 35 years ago. I still see nothing like that and I dont care what people say about strength today. The stuff I saw just a few times when I was young, while already cured, looked like someone rolled it in sugar over and over and over again. This was rare. But when you saw this stuff you knew it was different. So far I have produced nothing like it and I've seen nothing like it at a dispensary.

You mean something like this. It is a photo shown in another thread. Click on the link, take a look and let us know...
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/white-coated-bud.537882/post-5895515

 

[Aweedtec]

You mean something like this. It is a photo shown in another thread. Click on the link, take a look and let us know...
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/white-coated-bud.537882/post-5895515

That looks like someone rolled it on powdered sugar. If those are trichs that is impressive. But it doesn't look like trichs on those.

Wasn't like that.

It was very fresh looking. Very big detailed buds. So fresh it almost was like it just came off the plant. But it was clearly dried. Trichs are what made it super sticky.

I've been able to smoke buds at a relative humidity of 70 without a problem right after coming off the drying rack.

There's no way this stuff I'm talking about had just come off the drying rack because the guys who had it would hold their bag for a very long time because it only took one hit and you were blasted. Even if you were a daily smoker.
Well they didn't even keep it in a Ziploc bag. They had it wrapped up in something else and then put in a Ziploc bag.

When you squeezed it it would stay almost all the way squashed and maybe bounce back like 3 or 4%. And it burned great. The smell of it was phenomenal and the smoke taste was unlike something I have never tasted before or since. Now I have good smelling buds. Many different types. But nothing smokes like or
tastes like that stuff did.

It probably was being grown by someone who was so knowledgeable of every little tiny detail of what that plant needs and when it needs it and done in hydroponics and perfect lighting and all perfect conditions. Probably the only way you're even getting close to that.

 

[SmokingWings]

That looks like someone rolled it on powdered sugar. If those are trichs that is impressive. But it doesn't look like trichs on those.

In your earlier message you said that the stuff you had when you were 16 looked like it was rolled in sugar. Plus, when we are 52 just about everything was better back when we were 16.

It was very fresh looking. Very big detailed buds. So fresh it almost was like it just came off the plant. But it was clearly dried. Trichs are what made it super sticky.

Grow for good sized buds and lots of trichomes and do not worry about the resin. The resin will be extracted from the trichomes and buds after the harvest.

 

[bluter]

run photos. you'll see a difference. there are exceptional auto strains, but for consistency photos will pretty much do you better.

long running sativas baybay ... will change up your world ...

 

[Aweedtec]

In your earlier message you said that the stuff you had when you were 16 looked like it was rolled in sugar. Plus, when we are 52 just about everything was better back when we were 16.


Grow for good sized buds and lots of trichomes and do not worry about the resin. The resin will be extracted from the trichomes and buds after the harvest.

Well I remember dirt weed. Brick weed. All got you where you wanted to be. Then there was Kind bud. This was grown by people who went to Amsterdam and got seeds. Then came back and grew in hydro systems.

I knew two different people. The first persons stuff was unreal.

The second person's stuff was exceptional. But still not as good as the first person I met at work.


I worry about what it looks like and smell

Right now I have gallons and it all smells horrible. Been curing for 90 days so far. But it needs to probably go another 90.

The stuff I first grew ...it's now about 5 months old and my neighbor was blown away at how good it smells. I gave him an ounce two months ago and he actually thought it was something different the other day. So it does take a really long time to cure it seems.
And man I hope the smell comes back because some of what I got smells really bad.

If you use jars should you also use Bovada packs?

And are the bags better?

Sorry for all the questions.

 

[Aweedtec]

run photos. you'll see a difference. there are exceptional auto strains, but for consistency photos will pretty much do you better.

long running sativas baybay ... will change up your world ...

I have photos.
Having an issue right now that sort of leaves me baffled.

Look at this....

If you look closw you can see what appears to be a calcium sufficient according to all leaf guides. This is the first time a plant has actually had only one issue.

So I gave it cal mag at last water and it's grown since. I pulled a few leaves that had it so I would know if it got more and sure enough....now many more leaves have it. Just under the top growth.

This plant also isn't stretching. It grew fast then slowed. But it's only been under 12/12 for a week. I guess it will take a while.

But in the mean time my younger plants grew past it in size and that is a gold leaf plant. It's supposed to get huge.

Does using cal mag take more than one water cycle to stop the issue?

Or am I missing something? Does it need a drink of milk?

 

[bluter]

run calmag with every feed.

 

[Aweedtec]

run calmag with every feed.

Check this out. I can't believe how big this plant got in a few days. The one on the left is white truffle + jr14. A new strain from Humboldt.
I can't believe how big it is and it needs to go 12/12 or I'm gonna run out of room if it gets much taller.

The other one on the right is Guzzurple.

It's doing well too.


Question is......would you pull all those big huge fan leaves and just stay away from the canopy?

The leaf stems are huge. Almost as thick as the stem.

And just so you know how big that leaf is....my ring size is 15 and my hands are extra large.


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And the lemon haze....I am torn in what to give it for nutes.

It's getting some yellow leaves and no way to reverse the yellow tips.
But I am wondering if I should stay away from nitrogen because of the yellow tips but the plant was dark when it got those tips and now leaves are yellowing. So maybe it needs a bit more now.
I have wiggle worm worm castings and it calls for an inch on top when it starts to bud. But it's been budding for at least a bit over a week.

And for sure I would never grow an auto again but for the fact that now I have like 30 lemon haze auto seeds.

 

[bluter]

could stand to thin the larger one out a little. you need to feed the one in flower at flower levels. its clearly not at the right nute balance.

 

[SmokingWings]

you need to feed the one in flower at flower levels. its clearly not at the right nute balance.

Yes this above. Start right away or the plant will not recover fully which will cut into harvest quality and amounts.

 

[Aweedtec]

So feed it even though it still weighs a ton?

it's been over a week since it was watered and it has the same mix as the pots drying out next to it.

What makes no sense is you all know I've used this pot before and plants didn't not drink. Its yellowing out and the only way to stop it is dose it with bloom nutes. But what appeared to be nute burning is now yellowing.

 

[JiggiLotus]

Wait wait..so the plant isn't drinking? That's never a good sign. I had a plant do that to me recently and everything started turning funny colors. I use fabric pots. I stopped giving it anything for like 2 weeks, just plain water. She stopped the antics and is doing better. I feel like I'm still too new to actually give solid advice, however sometimes sharing an experience can trigger an idea or something helpful.
*Also, I Can answer your question about more trichomes and resin production...simply: ice cold water.

 

[Aweedtec]

Wait wait..so the plant isn't drinking? That's never a good sign. I had a plant do that to me recently and everything started turning funny colors. I use fabric pots. I stopped giving it anything for like 2 weeks, just plain water. She stopped the antics and is doing better. I feel like I'm still too new to actually give solid advice, however sometimes sharing an experience can trigger an idea or something helpful.
*Also, I Can answer your question about more trichomes and resin production...simply: ice cold water.

You mean use ice cold water to water the plants? I remember doing that my first grow and everything turned out great. The second grow my roommate was being paranoid about shocking the plants. I knew I was right about giving them cold water.

 

[Aweedtec]

could stand to thin the larger one out a little. you need to feed the one in flower at flower levels. its clearly not at the right nute balance.

So what does it need most of? Bloom nutes?

I was thinking about Wiggle Worm. Like putting a half inch on the top since its no where near done yet.

But it has to be drinking if its growing. So I am not too worried about that. I think its just holding water.

 

[bluter]

So what does it need most of? Bloom nutes?

what does your nute schedule tell you ? read and follow that. that plant is in crises.

edit: what are your base nutes ? i can't see anything that suggests a normal feed schedule. if you aren't using base nutes there is nothing i can suggest to save that one.

just hang on and good luck. maybe try the bloom nutes. if it isn't balanced they'll fry the plant.

 

[Aweedtec]

what does your nute schedule tell you ? read and follow that. that plant is in crises.

edit: what are your base nutes ? i can't see anything that suggests a normal feed schedule. if you aren't using base nutes there is nothing i can suggest to save that one.

just hang on and good luck. maybe try the bloom nutes. if it isn't balanced they'll fry the plant.

I havent been able to give it the base nutes because of the water not drying up.
But, I just gave it some bloom only.

What concerns me is the yellowing leaves. They are not turning brown and not drying out. Just look lemon yellow in areas. And the tips never dried and fell off. So nitrogen, if it was the issue, no longer is.

I gave it 3 tsp of bloom and 1 Micros from bud doublin. Also one tsp of bloom booster from dr earth. And the DR earth system calls for A 1/4 cup or 4 tablespoons. So i am way under. I just wanted some of those micronutrients and mycos to get in the bucket.

I started all my plants with 1/4 cup of Dr Earth Veg and then 2 weeks later(some a bit longer because of the watering issue) another 1/4 cup of veg. Its just after Veg is when it starts to show issue. with the All Purpose Dr Earth When you cut P and K down a smidge and N stays the same. Then when in bloom the Bloom booster is a 3 of N and the P and K goes back up a bit.

I try to stay on schedule but when the buckets dont dry out(even the felt ones) its hard to give them nutes when I know they are usually watered 2 times between giving dry nutes.

Its always something with trying to get a grow going. Either cant find the medium I want or the nutes I want. This was supposed to be an outdoor grow all summer with my room mate doing everything. I didnt want the lights on or to do the schedules. But, once it changed from outside to inside I now have to do it or I am wasting my electric and nutes.

 

[bluter]

I havent been able to give it the base nutes because of the water not drying up.
But, I just gave it some bloom only.

the watering/feeding technique needs to change. always feed all three base nutes every time. it's not a chinese food pick and and choose buffet.

What concerns me is the yellowing leaves. They are not turning brown and not drying out. Just look lemon yellow in areas. And the tips never dried and fell off. So nitrogen, if it was the issue, no longer is.

n is only part of it. it's missing n and a pile of other crucial nutes.

I gave it 3 tsp of bloom and 1 Micros from bud doublin. Also one tsp of bloom booster from dr earth. And the DR earth system calls for A 1/4 cup or 4 tablespoons. So i am way under. I just wanted some of those micronutrients and mycos to get in the bucket.

none of that is useful. get a complete line of proper cannabis nutes and learn how to use them. this is just tossing darts in the dark right now.

I started all my plants with 1/4 cup of Dr Earth Veg and then 2 weeks later(some a bit longer because of the watering issue) another 1/4 cup of veg. Its just after Veg is when it starts to show issue. with the All Purpose Dr Earth When you cut P and K down a smidge and N stays the same. Then when in bloom the Bloom booster is a 3 of N and the P and K goes back up a bit.

dr earth is garbage. it's made worse jumping around and adding whatever you feel at whatever time. if you're gonna stick with that have fun and good luck.

I try to stay on schedule but when the buckets dont dry out(even the felt ones) its hard to give them nutes when I know they are usually watered 2 times between giving dry nutes.

you don't have a nute schedule. if you did you'd have a proper set of nutes. what you're doing is really just guessing.

Its always something with trying to get a grow going. Either cant find the medium I want or the nutes I want. This was supposed to be an outdoor grow all summer with my room mate doing everything.

you can only depend on yourself.

 

[Aweedtec]

the watering/feeding technique needs to change. always feed all three base nutes every time. it's not a chinese food pick and and choose buffet.






n is only part of it. it's missing n and a pile of other crucial nutes.





none of that is useful. get a complete line of proper cannabis nutes and learn how to use them. this is just tossing darts in the dark right now.






dr earth is garbage. it's made worse jumping around and adding whatever you feel at whatever time. if you're gonna stick with that have fun and good luck.




you don't have a nute schedule. if you did you'd have a proper set of nutes. what you're doing is really just guessing.





you can only depend on yourself.

There is a big misconception here. How are you telling me I dont have a nute schedule?

Did you think I was just throwing singular nutrients at them? I dont even know how to do that other than worm castings for N. or Cal Mag for Calcium. Other than that I know nothing about singular nutes. But I did hear from a friend that she uses epsom salts. But she also says she cant understand how I have been growing since Oct and my plants bud way bigger than hers and she has been growing plants her entire life. So, maybe its in the water. Because it damn sure isnt in my head.


BOTTLE EQUALS 1/2 GALLON

05/02
BBPP placed in 7 gal pots on 05/05
05/23
First Liquid gold shot way late for 2 BBPP Gold leaf
5/26
BBpp got second Veg Dose
05/31
Flushed BBPP Both
06/08
Liquid GOld both 1 tablespoon plus for both
6/15 12/12 lighting
Due for ALL PURPOSE waited to water from 13th
Instead of All purpose was
Given BUD DOUBLIN first TRANSITION DOSE
Watered both to 10% run off.
Placed in TENT under 12/12 lighting
One plant is very light almost yellowing on top
One plant is nice dark green sativa appearance leaves

06/21
Yellowing
Gave 2 gallons each
With Bud Doublin for week 6 schedule.

06/22
Got half inch of worm castings Wiggle Worm with
Promix BX covering. Worm castings were placed
right over top roots. Given 1/4 gallon water each plant

06/23
Plants appear Nitrogen deficient. Dont know
if it wont pick up Nitrogen OR was it because they
are deficient in another nute or has too much of
something.

06/25
Yellowy plant given 3 All Purpose.
Green PLant given 2 all Purpose.
Plants are soaked.

07/02

NEEDS LIQUID GOLD ONLY and maybe some Molassas.






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05/07
Gold leaf Sprouted but I forced it up
05/16
Planted gold leaf in 5 gal
05/23
Gold Leaf Liquid gold
06/01
Gold leaf topped first time
06/06
Veg 3 tbps watered 2 bottles. Was light
06/11
water to run off.
06/13
was supposed to get Liquiod gold but was held off for now.
Bucket is too wet.
06/15
Given Liquid Gold Watered to Run off.
Bucket was DRY
Plant was a very even shade of a darker green.
06/18
watered 3 bottles to run off. Was super light
but top was moist.
Run off was minimal.
06/21
evening gave 1/2 gallon water was super dry.

06/22 -Put under 12/12
Given Bud Doublin TRANSITION DOSE FOR 5 GAl.
watered to run off 2 gallons with a bit of run off
Noticed a bit of rust marks on some leaves. JUST a few

06/23 calcium deficiency.

06/24
Gave 1tsp Cal Mag and half gallon of water.
Too many leaves showing calcium deficiency.
5 leaves with it at the top.
Some say it can be caused by not watering but
it happened AFTER watered.

07/01 Worm Castings top dressed
Gia Green 2 Tbps.


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05/11
Lemon haze up but leaves not split yet
05/16
Opened today.
05/17
Lemon Haze in 5 gal
06/02
Lemon haze watered thoroughly. lots of run off.
06/06
STILL VERY HEAVY like its being watered and i have not watered since
02.
06/07
Liquid gold teaspoon 1 64oz bottle of water
caused nearly 50oz of water to run off.
6/14
Supposed to get second veg but will hold off because
bucket is too wet to water
6/16
Bucket is heavy and plant seems to not be moving very fast anymore.
Also getting yellow tips on top growth.
New growth lighter than usual.
Watered one gallon to run off
NO NUTES given
May need them though

06/22
Bud Doublin Grow Bloom and Micros
1 tsp of each in one gallon of water.
MAY need a flush.

WAS NOT GIVEN BECAUSE BUCKET WAS STILL a BIT HEAVY

06/23
Bud doublin Bloom and Micros and HALF dose of Grow
Watered in 3 bottles. Ran off a good bit. Over 10%

06/30 Watered 3 Bottles with Bud Doublin 2 tsp BLOOM and 1 tsp MICROS 1/2 tsp Grow
With a bit of Bloom Booster from dr Earth. MAYBE a tsp
Good run off. May need nitrogen. Leaves yellowy in areas but not burning.
Tips been yellowing while growing but not burned.


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05/21 White Truffle
Sprouted in cup
05/24
White Truffle in 7 gal pot
06/07 Liquid Gold
3 bottles and run off happened
06/11
Watered to run off.
06/14
Supposed to get second Veg but hold off till next watering.
06/16
4 tbps Veg given watered to run off
Plant looks good dark green
06/17
one leaf tip looks yellow about 1/8 inch

06/23
Watered with Bud Doublin mix for Lemon Haze
1 Gro 1 Bloom 1 Micros accidentally. Fuck up from water bottles being mixed up.
Thanks Mick.
1/3 a dose of Liquid gold for 7 gal pot @ 1 -1/2 tablespoons
But was run off by about a bit over a gallon
WAIT AND SEE TIME.


Turned out to be fine. Lucky me for a change.
EDIT: After this happened this plant blew up huge. I dont know if it
was supposed to. But it did.

06/30 Bud Doublin 3 GROW 1 Micros
Pulled biggest leaves off except 2.
Watered 4 1/2 bottles to little run off.
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05/31
Guzzurple put in 5 Gal

06/07
Liquid Gold
2 bottles of water and MASSIVE run off only, I didnt water this for
4 or 5 days.

6/14
supposed to get 2nd Veg but waiting till next watering

06/16
2nd Veg given 2 tbs Watered to run off.

06/23
Watered to run off with Liquid Gold
minor run off

06/30
2 tbsp ALL PURPOSE Dr Earth. 2 tsp Bud doublin grow 1 tsp Micros
3 Bottles water NO run off

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Neighbors plant. Do not know strain but looks
MOSTLY Sativa based
06/05
Put in bucket with VEG and BX with some worm castings. Watered
to run off.
Liquid gold tsp but bit over half the bottle.
06/12
Was suppose to get second veg but must hold off, Plant is too small still.
06/13
Put outside did not know if male or female
06/16
Watered one gallon
Appears Female wont know till flower stage
06/17
Gave 3 Veg one half gallon water. NO RUN OFF

06/24
Three bottles of water and Pot of Gold 1 Tbsp

06/26
given 2 Bottles of water ALONE.

06/29
Given 3tps Grow Bud Doublin 1 tps Micros MAX VEG
3 bottles water rained that night on plant as well.







I am not adding whatever i feel whenever. I am following the schedules. But the only difference is, because I cant follow them perfectly from the pots being heavy I have cut back on one nute and given it another knowing it has things in it that the other one does not. OR knowing one is way weaker than the other and if the plant appears too dark I am not going to give it a product that ups nitrogen too high. The only exception being those two plants(BBP and PISTACHIO MIX STRAIN) that show dark green around the bud sites and lighter leaves everywhere else. That plant has done that shit no matter what I do and ive grown 7 of them so far. It stays nice and green, dark green. Until you put it under 12/12 and then it defoliates the bottom 1/3 itself and then yellows. And not a damn thing you give it will darken it. But oddly, as soon as the bud sites show up the leaves around that bud site darkens. Every last one of them. Maybe I should have defoliated it more. But I have too many plants I am dealing with and I know it. Thanks neighbors.

For instance, Dr Earth has Mycos in it. Bud Doublin does not. And come to find out, neither does Gia Green.

So now that Gia Green has arrived today I will be switching. Gia Green also has Calcium in it at 12% which means i would have never needed to add Cal Mag unless I had a mag issue if I had started with Gia Green. But I didnt because it took forever to get here. a month.

The only plant I am even remotely "throwing darts at" is the lemon haze. Because there was no possible way to follow the schedule. I even drilled 22 large holes in it and yellow yellow yellow it keeps going. Now I just gave it worm castings because I am assuming it used all of what was in the pot. How else can the leaves be not close to burned but yellowing? Even two days after it got a dose of Grow from Bud Doublin. a good dose too.
I cant see it missing something else that it didnt get since it has been getting dr earth AND Bud doublin.

When I check Gia Greens label against Dr Earth... its the same stuff with the differences being Dr Earth does not have calcium at all and Gia Green does. And Dr Earth has Mycos which Gia Green does not.

Bud Doublin just smells like someone literally had explosive dying rear and blew it in the bottle. And the Micros bottle smells like raw sewage. I also think its a weekly Nute that doesn't last a week. So its about as good as Pot of Gold Liquid bi weekly from Dr Earth.

I am going to switch to GeoFlora. But not this grow.

I am going to give it Dr Earth Bloom Booster for the first dose (which calls for 4 tbps every 2 weeks.) Then switch to Gia Green for the remainder of the plants life. (which ALSO calls for 4 tbps... But I have yet to find out if its bi weekly or not because I just got it today and I dont have much time left)

I am not guessing, I am following a schedule as much as is possible according to the fact that the pots are holding water forever even though the plants are growing fine. EXCEPT the Lemon haze Auto. Which did this same shit to me last time following a schedule perfectly. But my roommates plant didnt do it..... and HE guessed.

Funny how that works. Its like my older brother never brushed his teeth when we were kids and I mean NEVER and has never had a cavity in his damn life and I brushed my religiously and have a friggin mouth full of filled and drilled spots. I have bad fortune and always have. Its the way it is. I accept my BS fortunes. But following a schedule? Yeah when information is contradictory(not from YOU guys but from a schedule saying once a week with run off but then you cant water your plant for 10 days... that kinda sets you off your schedule. And I have a feeling if i do what these people say online here and on you tube to use all Coco its going to hold even MORE water.



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one thing I dont get is how everyone is saying Gia Green is way better than Dr Earth. They are virtually identical in NPK except Dr Earth has more secondary nutes. And micros and Mycos. Whereas Gia Green has none but does have Calcium in a much higher quantity than Dr Earth which does seem necessary with my experience.
You have to add your own if you want Mycorrhizae with Gia Green.
But as far as NPK? They are nearly identical and looking at the feed charts they are the same. Same amount same time frame. Same NPK ratios. "

All purpose
Gia Green 4-4-4
Dr Earth 4-4-4
4Tbsp biweekly

Bloom Booster
Gia Green 3-8-4
Dr Earth 3-9-4
4Tbsp bi weekly.

How does this make Dr Earth Trash? Its nearly the same thing.

I suggest you try it once. If for no other purpose than to prove it to my hard headed ass. lol


But lets see how my Darts are working.....

 

[bluter]

you still don't have a proper feed schedule.

i see multiple nute lines, many of which aren't for cannabis, a pile of supplemental add ins, and seem to be just tossing whatever at them when you think it's hitting an issue.

pick one nute line and learn it.

edit: the plant in the back isn't going to make it and at least one other is headed that way.