LED Trinity Grow - Round 1

I was recently taught in class that the fan leaves are the powerhouse of the plant. if you remove them youre setting them back a bit. in veg, I guess its ok since they grow back, and there is more stalk because you keep trimming THE WHOLE PLANT back, kinda like lollipopping (which I really loved how you did) that removes flwoers so they don't take up energy. a fan leaf never "takes" up energy. they don't really grow back in bloom. the new growth (where the buds are) turn a bit leafy to compensate for the loss. you really did do much damage, but you gotta understand the fan leaf is the best as creating starch (though anything green can convert energy, even the stalk!) and they can be used by the plant as food if theyre hungry!

I don't know what id do if one plant was overaking another. that is a real issue. maybe just cut the heads off the tall ones? you would remove some bud and the energy would be moved according to terminal shoots like topping as long as its not too deep in bloom
 
we will see, I value your opinion. There are so many different ways to grow this plant. I just did some research that made sense to me so I thought I would run with it. The plants get everything they need from the nutrients in the water and they get more than enough light now at all the bud sites, and there is still a lot of foliage left, including larger fan leaves, I didn't strip them bare. :) I'm not to worried, like I said, Its a work in progress and I gotta be pretty fearless when It comes to experimenting, at least that's what I was thinking at the time. lol
 
Theyre gonna be fine lol I usually lose most of my leaves to nutrient burn or hunger, so I cant even talk haha. Im working on that. I need to give them a steady nutrient doseage, so I think im gonna feed everytime I water REALLY lightly. Its working on the serious 6 so far. I don't wanna lose any of these fan leaves, especially running 12/12 from seed feel me?
 
stealthgrow said:
we will see, I value your opinion. There are so many different ways to grow this plant. I just did some research that made sense to me so I thought I would run with it. The plants get everything they need from the nutrients in the water and they get more than enough light now at all the bud sites, and there is still a lot of foliage left, including larger fan leaves, I didn't strip them bare. :) I'm not to worried, like I said, Its a work in progress and I gotta be pretty fearless when It comes to experimenting, at least that's what I was thinking at the time. lol
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I read the defoliation article. Sounded good to me. You can't beat real experience with a new technique. I have 2 almost identical ICE plants in flower, day 46. Hmmm.... I am thinking about defoliating one to see if there is any noticeable difference at harvest.
 
Time will tell. The main reason I did this is because the plants are so much taller than the trellis and there are tons of decent bud sites lower in the canopy that are getting next to no light. The closet is very crowded. Next run only 1 plant per round or 2 depending on strain, but always the same strain together if more than 1 plant.
This round, because it was my first, I wasn't sure of how things would run or even if the seeds would pop. I started with 10 seeds germinating and ended up with 2 plants. I killed the rest accidentally. Both closets have 2 strains in them now, and the strains are growing to different heights.
Next run will go better, I have no doubts.
 
stealthgrow said:
Time will tell. The main reason I did this is because the plants are so much taller than the trellis and there are tons of decent bud sites lower in the canopy that are getting next to no light. The closet is very crowded. Next run only 1 plant per round or 2 depending on strain, but always the same strain together if more than 1 plant.
This round, because it was my first, I wasn't sure of how things would run or even if the seeds would pop. I started with 10 seeds germinating and ended up with 2 plants. I killed the rest accidentally. Both closets have 2 strains in them now, and the strains are growing to different heights.
Next run will go better, I have no doubts.
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Oh yeah, just use any info for reference....this aint easy stuff, I'm still fine tuning a year and a half later, which is hard to do with different strains, I'm working hard on reading the plants...this skill along with the genetic traits of the strain is going to give me the results I'm after, but IMHO, the cannabis is harder to grow indoors than orchids!
 
Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.



mcloadie said:
Oh yeah, just use any info for reference....this aint easy stuff, I'm still fine tuning a year and a half later, which is hard to do with different strains, I'm working hard on reading the plants...this skill along with the genetic traits of the strain is going to give me the results I'm after, but IMHO, the cannabis is harder to grow indoors than orchids!
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mcloadie said:
Oh yeah, just use any info for reference....this aint easy stuff, I'm still fine tuning a year and a half later, which is hard to do with different strains, I'm working hard on reading the plants...this skill along with the genetic traits of the strain is going to give me the results I'm after, but IMHO, the cannabis is harder to grow indoors than orchids!
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AMEN brother. I certainly worry and fret over these plants a lot more than any other house plant or orchid I have had.:)

Wacky Kush said:
Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up.
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Nice, I like that, and I'm certain its very true. :thumb:

Green Knight said:
Nice job on the defoliation, they look great. 24-48h and you won't even notice the defoliation, they bounce back so fast.
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Thanks for the encouragement Gknight, I think (hope) I did the right thing. The girls look pretty trashed in the pics, but IMO it will really push the plant to work on those buds, now that they all have a good amount of light. I agree with you, that in a few days the plants will be good as new and thriving again. I would not have done this if the environment wasn't dialed in. Temps are all in ideal ranges, humidity is under control, the PH is solid as a rock, and plants are super healthy. Time will tell.
 
Check out my journal I have photos of plants that were defoled and one that was not defoled and there is quite a difference you be the judge. The ones defoled are stunted and have started to come back but the CSS is leaving them in the dust were talking Blue Dream, GDP, and OG Kush. GDP seems to be most affected/stunted then Blue Dream, and OG Kush is least affected but still stunted compared to CSS
 
I think it really depends on your space in tight areas you need to defoil them or the fans are choking your lower stuff but if you got room then train. Also part of the reason I am looking forward to my next grow of auto flowers just to see to difference as those plants you don't mess with just let grow.

Anyways as always looking good stealth
 
Again, a fan leaf cannot choke anything. Starch is easily moved throughout the whole plant via the phloem, no matter where its created. The most efficient part of a plant at creating energy are the fan leafs.

"In vascular plants, phloem is the living tissue that carries organic nutrients (known as photosynthate), in particular, sucrose,[1] a sugar, to all parts of the plant where needed."

"Unlike xylem (which is composed primarily of dead cells), the phloem is composed of still-living cells that transport sap. The sap is a water-based solution, but rich in sugars made by the photosynthetic areas. These sugars are transported to non-photosynthetic parts of the plant, such as the roots, or into storage structures, such as tubers or bulbs."

"During the plant's growth period, usually during the spring, storage organs such as the roots are sugar sources, and the plant's many growing areas are sugar sinks. The movement in phloem is multidirectional, whereas, in xylem cells, it is unidirectional (upward)."

"While movement of water and minerals through the xylem is driven by negative pressures (tension) most of the time, movement through the phloem is driven by positive hydrostatic pressures. This process is termed translocation, and is accomplished by a process called phloem loading and unloading. Cells in a sugar source "load" a sieve-tube element by actively transporting solute molecules into it. This causes water to move into the sieve-tube element by osmosis, creating pressure that pushes the sap down the tube. In sugar sinks, cells actively transport solutes out of the sieve-tube elements, producing the exactly opposite effect."
 
I have defoled both this grow and the last grow.the defol I did on this grow I did several levels I took only 4 leaves from CSS, 10-12 from the Blue Dream and OG Kush, and heavy on the GDP. I think less is more then again a lot depends on light penetration the better the penetration the less you should take ?????? Hate to say anything definitive until I have some more experience with it.
 
b.real Again, a fan leaf cannot choke anything. Starch is easily moved throughout the whole plant via the phloem, no matter where its created. The most efficient part of a plant at creating energy are the fan leafs.
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A fan leaf can block light. I have seen this multiple times with my VEG plants. If one side isn't blocked by a fan leaf it develops nicely. If one is blocked the growth is slowed. I try to tuck the fan leaf under/out of the way so the bud site can get light. If not I will get asymmetrical development on the 2 branches.

I have never done it, never understood it and was against it... But, I have never tried it until now. I just did some defoliating on my ICE plant to try it out. Two almost identical plants. One defoliated and one left alone. I will see for myself :)
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Nice defol, Scar, and +reps for trying out this little experiment. How many days into flower is she again ?

I think in my situation I did the right thing. The closet was way to crowded and 1/2 the buds sites were getting no light, the only regret is the lollipopping under the trellis that was done a couple weeks before. This area could have put out some bud also once the defol was complete cause it is now getting light. You got that covered though. nice job. Live and learn.
 
Alright stealth you took the plunge into the defol techniques. I am a defol guy as well and thought I may chime in.

Removing leaves indoors is important especially when there is crowding and high humidity your asking for problems. so Now you have better air flow. And now the plant is more able to give the bud sites the energy they need to grow.

To each his own though and I only speak from experience that it works nicely in my garden.

Start taking leaves from a young age to promote early branching rather than topping it and really stunting the plant.

Try to control the stretch and maybe give it less veg time than last time to minimize the long legs on your girls. When using trellising in a tight space like that its better to put the plants in to flower with the netting placed a couple inches above the tops and as it stretches train the branches to the squares. Two plants or maybe even one will work nice.


All strains are different though and you need to be familiar with the plant before you try to scrogg them so its better to train them with stakes or cages to see if it will work out for you.

Everything looks good other than that and I would not listen to the masses do what works for you.
even what I said take it or leave it it wont hurt my feelings. lol

thanks for the kind words on my journal as well buddy
 
Scarfinger68 said:
A fan leaf can block light. I have seen this multiple times with my VEG plants. If one side isn't blocked by a fan leaf it develops nicely. If one is blocked the growth is slowed. I try to tuck the fan leaf under/out of the way so the bud site can get light. If not I will get asymmetrical development on the 2 branches.

I have never done it, never understood it and was against it... But, I have never tried it until now. I just did some defoliating on my ICE plant to try it out. Two almost identical plants. One defoliated and one left alone. I will see for myself :)
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well here it is folks. nice experiment :high-five:
 
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