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[Delps8]

All good mate you continue with your air of intellectual superiority and delusions of grandeur!!
The fact your so Ignorant you wouldn't even watch a video that contradicts your statements shows how closed minded you are!!
You clearly know more about LEDs than than a shop who sells and has tested hundreds of LEDs over the last 7 years with top of the line equipment!!
No angst here mate I enjoy it or I wouldn't bother!!

It seems you're quick with the insults but not much for constructive commentary. It gets old quickly

The fact your so Ignorant you wouldn't even watch a video that contradicts your statements shows how closed minded you are!!

I suppose you could look at it that way but the truth of the matter is that I haven't watched their video because I a not interested in their products.

To your point, yes, I have been called "closed minded" and, interestingly, it's by people who refuse to argue the facts preferring to attack me instead of my arguments. Our current dialog is a good example.

Again, if you've got something constructive, that would be great. I'd love to get back to that type of conversation. I'm not all that keen on the tack that you're taking here, though.

Do you have anything that you want to discuss about Black Dog lights? Perhaps you could put forward some reasoned arguments about why they're good products. I think I like that approach — I'll respond to you when you have something to add to the discussion but if you can't contribute in that way, I just don't see the value in responding to you.

A very insightful saying that I learned as a junior officer "When you wrestle with a pig, the pig loves it but you'll just get dirty."

 

[Porky82]

It seems you're quick with the insults but not much for constructive commentary. It gets old quickly


I suppose you could look at it that way but the truth of the matter is that I haven't watched their video because I a not interested in their products.

To your point, yes, I have been called "closed minded" and, interestingly, it's by people who refuse to argue the facts preferring to attack me instead of my arguments. Our current dialog is a good example.

Again, if you've got something constructive, that would be great. I'd love to get back to that type of conversation. I'm not all that keen on the tack that you're taking here, though.

Do you have anything that you want to discuss about Black Dog lights? Perhaps you could put forward some reasoned arguments about why they're good products. I think I like that approach — I'll respond to you when you have something to add to the discussion but if you can't contribute in that way, I just don't see the value in responding to you.

A very insightful saying that I learned as a junior officer "When you wrestle with a pig, the pig loves it but you'll just get dirty."

I've added links to facts about the light!!
I'm not going indulge you in a back and forth about how intelligent you think you are or your seudo psychological assessment of my character!!
Forums are full of people like you who refuse to be educated because of their own ignorance and believe that their opinions are infallible!!
The fact is blackdog LEDs are a very high quality light weather you like it or not or weather you own 1 or 300 lights that you consider better!!
I've proven they are a quality light by the links posted!!
Your wrong about Blackdog lights and you strike me as the type who can't accept being wrong!!

 

[Nunyabiz]

Do you know any Taiwanese people?
I do and I'll tell ya now they are not Chinese and don't want to be either!!
This comment is very ignorant!!

Taiwan has basically been part of China since before it was even Taiwan, since 230AD.
I couldn't careless if you personally know every single person.
Facts are facts regardless if you or anyone believes them or not.

12 million Merikans believe lizard people run the US government.
Do you believe that?
Do you care these 12 million nuts believe it?
129 million Merikans believe dinosaurs roamed the Earth with humans.
What x amount of people believe is a meaningless statement to me.

Do I care what X amount of Taiwanese believe y? Nope.

Its literally called The Republic of China for Darwin sake LOL

 

[Delps8]

I've added links to facts about the light!!
I'm not going indulge you in a back and forth about how intelligent you think you are or your seudo psychological assessment of my character!!
Forums are full of people like you who refuse to be educated because of their own ignorance and believe that their opinions are infallible!!
The fact is blackdog LEDs are a very high quality light weather you like it or not or weather you own 1 or 300 lights that you consider better!!
I've proven they are a quality light by the links posted!!

I've said that I'm open to a reasoned discussion and, for some reason, you keep insulting me and questioning my knowledge. If you want to add to the discussion, that would be great. Dredging up links is not adding to the discussion. That's just vomiting up links and doesn't prove anything.

I've laid out reasons why I think growers should not use Black Dog products. Rather than copy and paste links, spend some time to refute my arguments. It really would be helpful because I'll be the first to admit I might have missed something and, if that's the case, I'm more than happy to admit it.

On the other hand, if this is all you've got, there's nothing left for us to discuss.

Again, if you engage on topic, that's great. If you continue to attack me personally and do not contribute in a productive manner, there's just no point me in my responding to you.

The fact is blackdog LEDs are a very high quality light weather you like it or not or weather you own 1 or 300 lights that you consider better!!

I don't believe that Black Dog's products very good because they lack many features that are found in contemporary lights. Their spectrum is not a selling point to me and I have no idea about their PPFD values. I wasn't able to find it on their website and I wasn't able to find any third party info about their products. Those issues, along with a handful of others, coupled with the fact they they require fans to stay cool lead me to the conclusion that I'm not interested in their products. It's really that simple.

If you've got something to add, please do. Otherwise, please stop writing messages to me that are personally insulting and that add nothing to this thread.

Do you understand what I'm asking — stop the insults and stay on topic, OK?

Thank you.

 

[Porky82]

Taiwan has basically been part of China since before it was even Taiwan, since 230AD.
I couldn't careless if you personally know every single person.
Facts are facts regardless if you or anyone believes them or not.

12 million Merikans believe lizard people run the US government.
Do you believe that?
Do you care these 12 million nuts believe it?
129 million Merikans believe dinosaurs roamed the Earth with humans.
What x amount of people believe is a meaningless statement to me.

Do I care what X amount of Taiwanese believe y? Nope.

Its literally called The Republic of China for Darwin sake LOL

Maybe you should educate yourself before you make anymore ridiculous comments on the subject!!
There is plenty more I can link if you want to educate yourself!!

History of Taiwan - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Nunyabiz]

Maybe you should educate yourself before you make anymore ridiculous comments on the subject!!
There is plenty more I can link if you want to educate yourself!!

History of Taiwan - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

ROTFLMAO, Wikipedia?

You do belive in lizard people don't you?

 

[Porky82]

I've said that I'm open to a reasoned discussion and, for some reason, you keep insulting me and questioning my knowledge. If you want to add to the discussion, that would be great. Dredging up links is not adding to the discussion. That's just vomiting up links and doesn't prove anything.

I've laid out reasons why I think growers should not use Black Dog products. Rather than copy and paste links, spend some time to refute my arguments. It really would be helpful because I'll be the first to admit I might have missed something and, if that's the case, I'm more than happy to admit it.

On the other hand, if this is all you've got, there's nothing left for us to discuss.

Again, if you engage on topic, that's great. If you continue to attack me personally and do not contribute in a productive manner, there's just no point me in my responding to you.


I don't believe that Black Dog's products very good because they lack many features that are found in contemporary lights. Their spectrum is not a selling point to me and I have no idea about their PPFD values. I wasn't able to find it on their website and I wasn't able to find any third party info about their products. Those issues, along with a handful of others, coupled with the fact they they require fans to stay cool lead me to the conclusion that I'm not interested in their products. It's really that simple.

If you've got something to add, please do. Otherwise, please stop writing messages to me that are personally insulting and that add nothing to this thread.

Do you understand what I'm asking — stop the insults and stay on topic, OK?

Thank you.

Your not qualified to discuss something you know nothing about!!
You tried insulting me by implying I couldn't comprehend what you had written!
What you believe about Blackdog products is irrelevant because your just another bloke on a forum with an opinion!!
That's why I use links because my opinion is as void as yours. The difference between us is you consider your opinion is more valid than actual links that provide proof of the products specifications!!
But your long winded empty replies show you are trying to deflect that your wrong and Blackdog lights are high quality even in the face of videos that prove your wrong but show your gross ignorance on the subject because you refuse to watch them!!

 

[Porky82]

ROTFLMAO, Wikipedia?

You do belive in lizard people don't you?

Sorry I'll just take all my information on Tiwan from you then shall I!!

 

[Delps8]

Your not qualified to discuss something you know nothing about!!
You tried insulted me by implying I couldn't comprehend what you had written!
What you believe about Blackdog products is irrelevant because your just another bloke on a forum with an opinion!!
That's why I use links because my opinion is a void as yours. The difference between us is you consider your opinion is more valid than actual links that provide proof of the products specifications!!
But your long winded empty replies show you are trying to deflect that your wrong and Blackdog lights are high quality even in the face of videos that prove your wrong but show your gross ignorance on the subject because you refuse to watch them!!

Thank you for your response.

Best of luck to you.

 

[Virgin Ground]

This is what LED depot do they test and review lights!
Little bit different to promotional material!!

No, primarily they are an online company that sells many different types of led lights. They promote the lights that they carry on various platforms, like YouTube.
According to them all the lights that they carry are wonderful. Seems like typical marketing to me.

I'm familiar with them when they used to be a sponsor here years ago. Erik was the rep that handled the 420 mag promotions. They didn't hang around for very long. They left a lot of questions of mine unanswered.

Totally promotional video. They are literally trying to sell you that light. Why would they give it a negative review?


I am enjoying this super ridiculous argument though.
Carry on...you guys have a good time.

 

[Porky82]

Thank you for your response.

Best of luck to you.

It's been a pleasure trying to educate you!!
Thanks for your time!!

 

[Porky82]

No, primarily they are an online company that sells many different types of led lights. They promote the lights that they carry on various platforms, like YouTube.
According to them all the lights that they carry are wonderful. Seems like typical marketing to me.

I'm familiar with them when they used to be a sponsor here years ago. Erik was the rep that handled the 420 mag promotions. They didn't hang around for very long. They left a lot of questions of mine unanswered.

Totally promotional video. They are literally trying to sell you that light. Why would they give it a negative review?


I am enjoying this super ridiculous argument though.
Carry on...you guys have a good time.

Few more positive reviews not by people selling them!!

 

[Porky82]

No, primarily they are an online company that sells many different types of led lights. They promote the lights that they carry on various platforms, like YouTube.
According to them all the lights that they carry are wonderful. Seems like typical marketing to me.

I'm familiar with them when they used to be a sponsor here years ago. Erik was the rep that handled the 420 mag promotions. They didn't hang around for very long. They left a lot of questions of mine unanswered.

Totally promotional video. They are literally trying to sell you that light. Why would they give it a negative review?


I am enjoying this super ridiculous argument though.
Carry on...you guys have a good time.

Another very positive review by someone who doesn't sell them!!

 

[Nunyabiz]

Sorry I'll just take all my information on Tiwan from you then shall I!!

Even the traditionally horrible rag (wiki) you linked states that the "status qou" is that the Republic of China (Taiwan) is administered by the Peoples Republic of China.
178 countries out of 195 recognize The One China Policy and that Taiwan is part of China.
The UN refuses to admit Taiwan because they see it as The Republic of China and China is already a member.

All this nonsense is the usual crap by the US government stirring shit and trying to cost China.
This will backfire even more spectacularly than the Ukrainian dumpster fire.

"
The basic issue hinges on who the islands of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, and Matsu should be administered by. The main options includes:

1. Maintain the current ROC/PRC (Taiwan/Mainland) status quo.
2. Taiwan as a de facto separate self-governing entity.
3. Become part of China as a province or special administrative region of the PRC under the one country, two systems framework (like Hong Kong and Macau).
4. Formally abolish the ROC and establish a de jure independent Taiwanese state.
5. Unify with mainland China under the Government of the ROC (zh).
6. Annexed under the Government of the PRC. "

Number one is the "current status" the other 5 are just ideas that are not likely to happen unless China wants it to and 4 out of 6 Taiwan remains China one way or the other.

 

[Virgin Ground]

Few more positive reviews not by people selling them!!

But not exaclty. Black Dog is paying for those reviews.
Judge.me reviews is a way for product manufacturers to compile reviews of their own products.

Black dog paid for this service. $15/ mo.
Evidently they could only find 16 five star reviews through the app. Either Judge.me is a terrible app or Black Dog has bigger issues than I previously thought.

They can reward their reviewers through the judge. me app.
Says it right on the Judge.me app homepage.

I would trust that as much as I trust loaded reviews at Amazon.


You seem upset. Is there any way you can cool down and come back to this?

 

[Virgin Ground]

Another very positive review by someone who doesn't sell them!!

This told me all I need to know.

Maybe you should look into a Gavita 1700e led?

 

[bluter]

God bless you brother, there’s still some good people in this world

there's a couple hundred folk that have been working on it. it got local gov't backing, all i did was some volunteer stuff for them.

Where do you live mate??

most boring part of canada possible.

 

[Porky82]

Even the traditionally horrible rag (wiki) you linked states that the "status qou" is that the Republic of China (Taiwan) is administered by the Peoples Republic of China.
178 countries out of 195 recognize The One China Policy and that Taiwan is part of China.
The UN refuses to admit Taiwan because they see it as The Republic of China and China is already a member.

All this nonsense is the usual crap by the US government stirring shit and trying to cost China.
This will backfire even more spectacularly than the Ukrainian dumpster fire.

"
The basic issue hinges on who the islands of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen, and Matsu should be administered by. The main options includes:

1. Maintain the current ROC/PRC (Taiwan/Mainland) status quo.
2. Taiwan as a de facto separate self-governing entity.
3. Become part of China as a province or special administrative region of the PRC under the one country, two systems framework (like Hong Kong and Macau).
4. Formally abolish the ROC and establish a de jure independent Taiwanese state.
5. Unify with mainland China under the Government of the ROC (zh).
6. Annexed under the Government of the PRC. "

Number one is the "current status" the other 6 are just ideas that are not likely to happen unless China wants it to

Yes I would agree with this. I was more trying to say that the Taiwanese people do not want to come under CCP rule!!
Just like Hong Kong!
I'm genuinely interested to see what will happen over the next few years with Taiwan!
Hopefully the status quo remains for the peoples sake!

 

[Porky82]

Yeah Gavita are an excellent light!!
Also a bit old technology now unless they have done an upgrade which I haven't seen!!