How did this go from someone asking about lights to war with China, stashing food and etc.? Can we all just live n let live and say do your homework. You get what you pay for and be done with this? CL
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Nunyabiz
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Doesn't have anything to do with Fox News, in fact every single corporate media outlet was saying it repeatedly until they flipped to propaganda in Feb 2022.
Look at any article from any source prior to 2022.
Watch the two documentaries done in 2016 and 2019 explaining it all in great detail.
What you're hearing now is pure propaganda from the US.
Same thing we did with Iraq, same with Syria, really same with every US war the past 60 plus years.
at least your country is stepping up. mine is a joke on defence spending. we are freeloaders and it's finally starting to become an election issue.
as a person who lives with the largest north american disapora of ukranians i can assure you they view it very very simply.
to them it is a war of an agressive neighbour that has for centuries subjugated and perpetrated atrocities equal or greater than anything the nazis did to the jews, romaniains, and other minorities. they see with exceptional clarity what russia is.
about 60% of the population here is ukranian or of ukranian descent.
Nunyabiz
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And a large percentage of the people that live in the South in the US are just as certain of Northern aggression from those damn Yankees in the north.
None of it based on reality.
The facts are easily obtained.
Just watch the two documentaries as a primer
America used to stand for peace and democracy we’ve very much become a nation run by billionaires trying to manipulate everything. Seriously people really think Donald Trump wants to be president to make America great again, he’s a greedy prick trying to enrich himself. I worked for that asshole in 1981 and watched him run Atlantic City into the ground which he’ll do to this country if he’s ever elected president again . He’s Putins buddy he’ll turn our guns on the Ukraine people sure as shit
Delps8
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<sarc>
I was shocked, shocked I tell you when a territorial dispute broke out in Europe! Even more between Russia and Ukraine — that area has been settled for thousands of years.
Why would they be arguing over something as plentiful as land?
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Delps8
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OK, back to Black Dog.
Their lights are an anachronism but they are doing some R&D. If you look at the spectrum that they're hawking, they've added some LED's in the UV and far red parts of the spectrum. So they are doing something to "improve" the product.
The complete lack of data that can be used to compare their products to others is one of the many reasons for concern.
Another interesting issue — where are they located? I used to live in Broomfield, CO which is near Boulder, Longmont, and Niwot. Those are three names that appear on the the BlackDog website.
Boulder is name dropping. It's home to the flagship campus of U of Colorado and it a high tech area (my company did a fair amount of work for US West Direct which was HQ'd in Boulder). They do not have a facility there any longer but they still have the address.
The address in Longmont was occupied by a dog grooming company for some years but, apparently, shut down a couple of years ago. Perhaps BlackDog occupied that space after the dog grooming business cratered.
The address in Niwot is a building that appears to be owned by and is occupied by a decent-sized distribution company. Perhaps Black Dog was leasing space? Dunno.
OK, that took all of five minutes with Google maps to find out. To get more info about the company, I called them. I pressed "1" for sales and, hold on to your hats, it went to voice mail. Wow, they must be sooo busy!
I hung up rather than leave a call back and, a few minutes later, Jay called me back. He explained that they were in the process of moving and assured me that they were still in business and shipping product.
I bought a Kind LED in 2017 when I did my first grow. The plants revegged after I incorrectly reset a timer after a power outage and I archived my tent until early 2021. The LED world was a lot different in 2021 vs 2017. Blurples had been replaced by bar lights, among other things, and manufacturers were providing customers with data about their lights one being PPFD. I contacted Kind and got the PPFD map for my light. It's shown here.
After I stopped laughing, I walked out to my garage, put it back in the box, and put the box in the trash.
Why? Because it wasn't worth using.
I could have used it to get a crop but there was no reason to do so. Blurples, even the Black Dog "blurple plus", though they call it something different, make it very hard to see your plant, even with the LED glasses, their light cast its incredibly uneven, and they're low efficiency.
If there were no alternatives, I'd use one but, as I realized with Kind XL 600, there's a place for that style of light and it's certainly not in a cannabis grow tent.
Assignment for the reader - get a PPFD map from Black Dog and compare it to a PPFD map from any contemporary bar style light. I'll put money on it that it can't even compare to a board light and we know how bad those are.
Second, get tests done by an independent third party. You might call the vendor and see whatkind of song and dance you get the response is.
Lacking that kind of information and based the wholly outdated design of Black Dog lights, I can't think of a reason why I'd seriously investigate their product line, much less buy one of their lights.
Their lights are an anachronism but they are doing some R&D. If you look at the spectrum that they're hawking, they've added some LED's in the UV and far red parts of the spectrum. So they are doing something to "improve" the product.
The complete lack of data that can be used to compare their products to others is one of the many reasons for concern.
Another interesting issue — where are they located? I used to live in Broomfield, CO which is near Boulder, Longmont, and Niwot. Those are three names that appear on the the BlackDog website.
Boulder is name dropping. It's home to the flagship campus of U of Colorado and it a high tech area (my company did a fair amount of work for US West Direct which was HQ'd in Boulder). They do not have a facility there any longer but they still have the address.
The address in Longmont was occupied by a dog grooming company for some years but, apparently, shut down a couple of years ago. Perhaps BlackDog occupied that space after the dog grooming business cratered.
The address in Niwot is a building that appears to be owned by and is occupied by a decent-sized distribution company. Perhaps Black Dog was leasing space? Dunno.
OK, that took all of five minutes with Google maps to find out. To get more info about the company, I called them. I pressed "1" for sales and, hold on to your hats, it went to voice mail. Wow, they must be sooo busy!
I hung up rather than leave a call back and, a few minutes later, Jay called me back. He explained that they were in the process of moving and assured me that they were still in business and shipping product.
I bought a Kind LED in 2017 when I did my first grow. The plants revegged after I incorrectly reset a timer after a power outage and I archived my tent until early 2021. The LED world was a lot different in 2021 vs 2017. Blurples had been replaced by bar lights, among other things, and manufacturers were providing customers with data about their lights one being PPFD. I contacted Kind and got the PPFD map for my light. It's shown here.
After I stopped laughing, I walked out to my garage, put it back in the box, and put the box in the trash.
Why? Because it wasn't worth using.
I could have used it to get a crop but there was no reason to do so. Blurples, even the Black Dog "blurple plus", though they call it something different, make it very hard to see your plant, even with the LED glasses, their light cast its incredibly uneven, and they're low efficiency.
If there were no alternatives, I'd use one but, as I realized with Kind XL 600, there's a place for that style of light and it's certainly not in a cannabis grow tent.
Assignment for the reader - get a PPFD map from Black Dog and compare it to a PPFD map from any contemporary bar style light. I'll put money on it that it can't even compare to a board light and we know how bad those are.
Second, get tests done by an independent third party. You might call the vendor and see what
Lacking that kind of information and based the wholly outdated design of Black Dog lights, I can't think of a reason why I'd seriously investigate their product line, much less buy one of their lights.
i respectfully believe the people i've talked to that have lived it first hand. you really have no idea unless you've heard it.
we are currently working on bringing over more refugees. we've sponsored 3 direct flights from poland and are currently working on a fourth.
Nunyabiz
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I applaud your efforts
God bless you brother, there’s still some good people in this world
Porky82
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Do you know any Taiwanese people?
I do and I'll tell ya now they are not Chinese and don't want to be either!!
This comment is very ignorant!!
Porky82
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What about the quality of connections used or the gauge of the wiring used or the quality of the soldering used??All you need to know is use Samsung LM301B/H or Osram chips with a quality driver in a strip/bar light configuration.
About the only thing that matters after that is the thickness of the aluminum the chips are put on and if they are seated on a heat sink.
Whether this is done in US or China is meaningless
And as with everything in life if you want it done right you do it yourself.
Plenty more to consider that the 2 things you mentioned!!
Porky82
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Porky82
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Well these blokes disagree with pretty much everything you say!!OK, back to Black Dog.
Their lights are an anachronism but they are doing some R&D. If you look at the spectrum that they're hawking, they've added some LED's in the UV and far red parts of the spectrum. So they are doing something to "improve" the product.
The complete lack of data that can be used to compare their products to others is one of the many reasons for concern.
Another interesting issue — where are they located? I used to live in Broomfield, CO which is near Boulder, Longmont, and Niwot. Those are three names that appear on the the BlackDog website.
Boulder is name dropping. It's home to the flagship campus of U of Colorado and it a high tech area (my company did a fair amount of work for US West Direct which was HQ'd in Boulder). They do not have a facility there any longer but they still have the address.
The address in Longmont was occupied by a dog grooming company for some years but, apparently, shut down a couple of years ago. Perhaps BlackDog occupied that space after the dog grooming business cratered.
The address in Niwot is a building that appears to be owned by and is occupied by a decent-sized distribution company. Perhaps Black Dog was leasing space? Dunno.
OK, that took all of five minutes with Google maps to find out. To get more info about the company, I called them. I pressed "1" for sales and, hold on to your hats, it went to voice mail. Wow, they must be sooo busy!
I hung up rather than leave a call back and, a few minutes later, Jay called me back. He explained that they were in the process of moving and assured me that they were still in business and shipping product.
I bought a Kind LED in 2017 when I did my first grow. The plants revegged after I incorrectly reset a timer after a power outage and I archived my tent until early 2021. The LED world was a lot different in 2021 vs 2017. Blurples had been replaced by bar lights, among other things, and manufacturers were providing customers with data about their lights one being PPFD. I contacted Kind and got the PPFD map for my light. It's shown here.
After I stopped laughing, I walked out to my garage, put it back in the box, and put the box in the trash.
Why? Because it wasn't worth using.
I could have used it to get a crop but there was no reason to do so. Blurples, even the Black Dog "blurple plus", though they call it something different, make it very hard to see your plant, even with the LED glasses, their light cast its incredibly uneven, and they're low efficiency.
If there were no alternatives, I'd use one but, as I realized with Kind XL 600, there's a place for that style of light and it's certainly not in a cannabis grow tent.
Assignment for the reader - get a PPFD map from Black Dog and compare it to a PPFD map from any contemporary bar style light. I'll put money on it that it can't even compare to a board light and we know how bad those are.
Second, get tests done by an independent third party. You might call the vendor and see whatkind of song and dance you getthe response is.
Lacking that kind of information and based the wholly outdated design of Black Dog lights, I can't think of a reason why I'd seriously investigate their product line, much less buy one of their lights.
Calling it a best of a light!!
The fact you would try and compare that Kind light to these shows how little you understand about LED lights!!
Video will probably be taken down soon so get a look while you can!!
Porky82
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You don't think anyone even uses HLG anymore!
Delps8
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I haven't watched the video (and won't) but it does appear to be a promotional video for the product. My comments about their lights are factual so I would doubt that they would deal with them directly.Well these blokes disagree with pretty much everything you say!!
Calling it a best of a light!!
The fact you would try and compare that Kind light to these shows how little you understand about LED lights!!
Video will probably be taken down soon so get a look while you can!!
I'm not quite clear on why you said that and, it's sort of funny because when I was writing articles about programming, one of the reasons why the editors that I worked with loved my writing was because they had to do, essentially, zero editing for grammar, and, second, they loved my approach to structure.
If there's something that's not clear in what I wrote, I'll try to clarify it for you. On the other hand, given that Black Dog can be accurately described as a "blurple plus" there are similarities to the Kind light. Perhaps they're not clear to you and, if so, I'm sorry to hear that. A big part of writing is to understand the audience and to write to the audience. Perhaps I over estimated your ability to comprehend and, for that, I do apologize.
Thanks for the advice but I'll pass. I have four grow lights and don't anticipate I'll need new lights for quite some time. Perhaps Black Dog will have a different set of products in the years ahead and I'll definitely take a look.
As of now, you might not agree with my assertions and appear not to understand some of the comparisons that I've made. Such a pity.
Do you have anything to contribute to the conversation or are you more comfortable making baseless assertions?
Continue on for a bit, until your angst diminishes. I'll play along until it passes. Or perhaps it will get tiresome and I'll just ignore you.
Porky82
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All good mate you continue with your air of intellectual superiority and delusions of grandeur!!
The fact your so Ignorant you wouldn't even watch a video that contradicts your statements shows how closed minded you are!!
You clearly know more about LEDs than than a shop who sells and has tested hundreds of LEDs over the last 7 years with top of the line equipment!!
The fact you think it's a promotional video but refuse to watch it is strange to say the least because it says at the start it's a review. Seems you have contradicted yourself there!!
No angst here mate I enjoy it or I wouldn't bother!!
Porky82
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This is what LED depot do they test and review lights!
Little bit different to promotional material!!
Although you probably won't watch this one either!!
Because Russia invaded them! CL
