Konk's 1st Grow: ON Canada

oldsmokey said:
Last year when I had a bunch of lady bugs when the light would first come on and the room hasn't warmed up yet. They liked hiding behind the temp gauge on the wall or anywhere it was warmer and they would swarm those areas.
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Ya, it's gross, until this year I vacuumed them up. Oh, and my girl was terrified of them and they were the $hit to a lot of 4 year olds...
They were so plentfiful, I just had to go for a last hoorah!
 
CannaFish said:
Looks great. I second that the purples from temps. I think that the adult ladybugs don’t eat anywhere as much as the larvae. They are literally feeding constantly. The adults are more interested in getting their freak on.
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:welcome: to the dirt empire, CannaFish!
Thank you, I have plants in worse shape and I can worry enough without trying to change that one. It has been mitten weather around here, good to get a second!

Enr0n said:
When it gets colder the ladybugs will go under something that provides insulation. Had an old maple in the back yard here while back and under some of the bark you could find 100's of them all huddled together.

Plants looking good and I am interested in what the purple plant does. :yummy:
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I can only find them when I don't need them, they are the Nanny McPhee of the yard.

Thanks Enr0n, I am too, deal is no one be polite and let them shivel past their prime!
 
Focus :bong: okay, Plant #5 - bagseed I just rambled about the other day. I have wheeled #5 & #5.5 into a shed for over nights, it's shelter but I am guessing cooler than the garage. I hear her screaming, you actually drove a screw in my stem, dummy, why do you think I am effing stressed and don't think for a second I didn't know that was poison, you monster!
Well, I see the leaves reaching up and she has an overall cooked vibe...
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Plant #5, her bud, #5.6 & #5.7 & bottom R. #5.5

I have issues with the bottom right plant #5.5, as well, these are the 2 aholes in quarantine. Plant # 5.5 is less purple and less "cooked" but also has leaves reaching up begging for something.
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Plant 5.5 bud, above and side view

And those two pristine little ones #5.6 & #5.7 look pure.

Plant # 5 bagseed looks purpley, #5.5 broken piece from #5 root juiced and tossed in soil. #5.6 & #5.7 same, so clones, I am told, not salvages.

They just abused or they done? I am heading to google leaf begging and doneness...
 
@BeanTownFan420 commented on my media that it could maybe be the cold. I refined my search and rather this be heat or just cold damage, it's probably also wet. These two have been ignored and are not on the same water schedule as the bag ladies.
Take away:
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So cold and wet is my guess on this one (ty, beantown) and I'll watch for her to fill in a bit.
 
Hey konks!! :ciao:
 
:welcome: @Backlipslide, you need to give a joke like the goats in the troll story... when I arrived at the forum you had a real joke run going :rofl:
Jump in, I've got enough questions for everyone!
 
It is Thanksgiving weekend for us in Canada, today I am thankful for clever, healthy, eyerolly, exasperated, surly, well fed and sheltered teens who think hardships are peeling potatoes and stirring gravy. I am thankful my needs are beyond met and I actually like being around, well Mr. Empire at least... ;) They will morph back into rational people someday, I hope. Parents, siblings and their families are all safe... all good.

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Close up of the lemon sapphire flower in the vendor blurb...
This is the vendor's photo from the lemon sapphire, once it hits sepia they'll be ready. Not great lighting to compare a plant to. First complaint, images of final product should have less filter. Didn't even know how annoying that could be.

:bongrip: Anyone check out Mars? It's free, go out look up!

Mars set to dazzle in closest approach to Earth for 15 years

The planet can be seen easily on any clear night this week
www.theglobeandmail.com
 
Hey Konk. I concur with Beanie. The purpling is most likely due to your temps, if it's on your leaves. Chlorophyll leaves and anthocyanins replace them and turns plants colors. If it's not on your leaves and you are referring to your stems or stalks, it could be 2 things. 1 is could purely be genetics. My BcM×Bw i ran this year (home made) has purple/red stems when exposed to the sun. The "Bw" (Blue Water) in the pairing grows with that trait and the offspring display the same trait. I have also read of the potential deficiency you speak of. I have never seen it in person.
 
Patient puffer said:
Hey Konk. I concur with Beanie. The purpling is most likely due to your temps, if it's on your leaves. Chlorophyll leaves and anthocyanins replace them and turns plants colors. If it's not on your leaves and you are referring to your stems or stalks, it could be 2 things. 1 is could purely be genetics. My BcM×Bw i ran this year (home made) has purple/red stems when exposed to the sun. The "Bw" (Blue Water) in the pairing grows with that trait and the offspring display the same trait. I have also read of the potential deficiency you speak of. I have never seen it in person.
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Thank you PP! The overall purple hue on my healthier plant #4 looks kinda cool, the purple on the #5 with the leaves reaching up and it's overall crispness seems like a blatant call for help. I compiled a few of my best guesses, and wet & cold seems like plausible explanations.

Had to google anthocyanins ;)
The reds, purples, and their blended combinations responsible for autumn foliage are derived from anthocyanins.[42] Unlike carotenoids, anthocyanins are not present in the leaf throughout the growing season, but are produced actively, toward the end of summer.[2] They develop in late summer in the sap of leaf cells, resulting from complex interactions of factors inside and outside the plant. Their formation depends on the breakdown of sugars in the presence of light as the level of phosphate in the leaf is reduced.[1] Orange leaves in autumn result from a combination of anthocyanins and carotenoids.[42]

Helped me follow along, thanks PP!
 
I asked a question about leaning strains and how you can have sativa or indica leaning & got this reply that was so fantastic I hoped @Southerncough would have been back sooner. I am linking it here for reference. It is well done for someone looking for parallels and high level info.
It's here:

Patient's Bonsai

@Stunger these have been inbred as regular seeds. Just last year i got these plants going as mothers. Then as i am seeing some phenos become damaged and about to lose an "only one", i see the Silver fluid being advantageous to this whole pursuit. Just a couple years ago, i was sprouting seeds...
www.420magazine.com

Konks Dirt Empire said:
Thanks, Southerncough.

PP, your Zorb breakdown talks about the mango bud and the desired effect. Without confusing semantics, please, am I close lol your mango strain is related in the "KC Brains" family but it's lineage heads off in a sativa hybrid direction and the kc brains escape is related, too, heading down the indica hybrid direction. Same family but almost opposite effect?
I haven't even gone down the massive breeding, crossing rabbit hole but see language like "leaning pheno", and when comparing my bag seed to my known indica strain posters (which I appreciate the think tank capacity) wouldn't give me a straight yes, those leaves are half as wide it is probably a sativa. It was like a no-no to state openly one or the other, I am asking from a high level overview not too specific point if view.
As always, the Patient in your name shines! Thanks!
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"I've never attempted breeding, but in the big picture I try to imagine it like dog breeding. If you mate two golden retrievers, their offspring will be similar but still have mild differences. Some pups are bigger, some may have more red or yellow in their coat, some males some females, there may be a smart one and a fast one, etc. Same with a batch of seeds of a particular strain. Same genetics but this one offspring grows taller but the other finishes a few days early, and another yields a little more, etc.

NOW if you mate a golden retriever with say a border collie looking for the traits of a golden in a smaller dog physique you're going to have a litter of different looking pups. Some black some brown some tan some with patches and spots. Most will be smaller than a golden but larger than the border collie, some may have perky ears and some may have floppy ears, you may have an odd ball male that'll get huge and the one that looks like a small golden. You might say well this one is leaning golden because she has floppy ears and a yellow coat more so than her brother who has perky ears and a black coat...even though same parents. Etc. The pup you select from this cross I understand to be your F1 hybrid. Now if you breed her with a similar mix male your odds of a similar hybrid litter are higher than her siblings because both parents have the genetic traits you're going after (if I understand this correctly) and so on and so forth. Hence why pugs and German shepherds are both decedents of wolves (LOL) because they've been "back bred" against each other to repeat desired traits. asterisk both breeds have their share of negative health traits that have been passed along as well, so sometimes it's better to mutt them up and introduce some new genes from dogs who can breathe and don't have horrible arthritis, etc.

Similar goes for breeding cannabis. Say I have a favorite pure bread landrace sativa but it's not practical to cultivate because it takes 4 months to flower and grows 20' tall in the wild, i may try to cross her with a shorter, faster indica and select the offspring who grows the most like the Indica parent but has the high most similar to the sativa parent. Along the way you may notice that she has features more like one of the parents like leaf shape or node spacing, etc. She has broad leaves like the Indica but they're light green like the sativa, etc. Now if you breed your favorite offspring (plant) who has a close enough high, smaller growth and faster flowering time with another plant with similar traits your odds of more seeds being similar are higher (if I understand correctly) and continue to "back cross" these genetics to continue increasing the odds of similar seeds....then the remaining messed up seeds are given away as a gift with purchase from the seed banks just to F*ck with you LMAO!!

...Like my 'gift wish purchase' white rhino seeds that were supposed to be a compact 7 week plant described as "ideal for small indoor gardens" that instead grew 8' tall and took 4 months to flower! AGGGh!!

Dont shoot me, it's just my basic understanding..."

Huge thank you to @Southerncough :thanks:
Edited to add my reaction reaction lol
 
Konks Dirt Empire said:
Phosphorus deficiency in the sense this plant isn't taking up appropriate or adequate phosphorus showing purple on its leaves
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Knowing that you are growing in Ontario, its to coincidental with fall in full tilt.
We're two weeks away from November. They're in their final stages.

oldsmokey said:
I would guess the purple is most likely related to the cool temps along with the fact it's ripening.
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Patient puffer said:
The purpling is most likely due to your temps, if it's on your leaves. Chlorophyll leaves and anthocyanins replace them and turns plants colors.
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^^^^^^^^^^
What they said.

This is generally what you want to see growing outdoors with any type of phot plant in our part of the world. Just like all the other deciduous trees around us. Also there's not much that can be done now if it was nutrient related. As it is happening at the end of your grow, leads me to believe that it is seasonal/climate influenced.

They're looking nice Konk :drool:, there's advantages sometimes leaving them out in the cold nights, besides colour development, it will kill off remaining bugs.
Try to use nature to your benefit. As much as possible of course.

Anyways I've rambled on long enough. :rofl:
Back to my trimming nightmare.
 
Kodiak420 said:
Knowing that you are growing in Ontario, its to coincidental with fall in full tilt.
We're two weeks away from November. They're in their final stages.



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What they said.

This is generally what you want to see growing outdoors with any type of phot plant in our part of the world. Just like all the other deciduous trees around us. Also there's not much that can be done now if it was nutrient related. As it is happening at the end of your grow, leads me to believe that it is seasonal/climate influenced.

They're looking nice Konk :drool:, there's advantages sometimes leaving them out in the cold nights, besides colour development, it will kill off remaining bugs.
Try to use nature to your benefit. As much as possible of course.

Anyways I've rambled on long enough. :rofl:
Back to my trimming nightmare.
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Hard to believe, 2 weeks from November...my feet and hands are cold already this morning :straightface:
I'm good with the explanation, like you said not much I am going to start now to solve anything let alone something that doesn't require solving :laugh:
Back to trimming and pics for your voyers! :ciao:
 
Patient puffer said:
We like watching. Filthy lurkers...
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I am watching and putting everyone on the spot :lot-o-toke:

You know, all of the members have stepped up and offered me a patient explanation and dumbed it down even more when asked. Aww, thankful for :420:, their resources, their community and of course their sponsors ;)
 
Konks Dirt Empire said:
It is Thanksgiving weekend for us in Canada, today I am thankful for clever, healthy, eyerolly, exasperated, surly, well fed and sheltered teens who think hardships are peeling potatoes and stirring gravy. I am thankful my needs are beyond met and I actually like being around, well Mr. Empire at least... ;) They will morph back into rational people someday, I hope. Parents, siblings and
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Happy Thanksgiving Konk and Amen!
 
Huge thank you to @Southerncough :thanks:
Edited to add my reaction reaction lol
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I'm 4 years in and still trying to figure this out LOL. Biggest lesson I've learned is humility.
Once I get a few good harvests in a row I start getting confident just in time to be humbled by some pest or challenge from the garden. Like my ladies in veg who are fighting for their life against pests and I may have burned their leaves trying to rid the bugs...poor things.
 
Southerncough said:
Huge thank you to @Southerncough :thanks:
Edited to add my reaction reaction lol
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I'm 4 years in and still trying to figure this out LOL. Biggest lesson I've learned is humility.
Once I get a few good harvests in a row I start getting confident just in time to be humbled by some pest or challenge from the garden. Like my ladies in veg who are fighting for their life against pests and I may have burned their leaves trying to rid the bugs...poor things.
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Glad you saw that, it was just what I needed to keep up!
I have 5 months under my belt and recognize humility is a good chunk of this lol
For me there are so many avenues to try and always more info or a tell to be had. Gotta see it or try to spin it so I get the gist of it enough to file it and move on to the next fire.

Sorry about your flowering girls. Pests are distracting, my lesson there is watch the whole plant. Stay focused! I'm easily distracted, though :rolleyes:
 
Konks Dirt Empire said:
Hard to believe, 2 weeks from November...my feet and hands are cold already this morning :straightface:
I'm good with the explanation, like you said not much I am going to start now to solve anything let alone something that doesn't require solving :laugh:
Back to trimming and pics for your voyers! :ciao:
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We are the opposite! Our days are already at 30 degrees! We are in for another long hot summer.

Look forward to voyering all over your pics :)
 
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