KingJohnC's 400 Watt LA Confidential Seed Cabinet Soil Indoor Grow Journal

[PotChimp]

well ive seen seeds in my plants before and its 1 seed per calyx. each calyx usually shoots out 1-3 pistils. pretty sure just one piece of pollen (just as one sperm is required) needs to get inside the calyx for seed production to occur. im pretty sure 1 pistil can pull in a piece of pollen in, but usually there is tons of pollen everywhere that every pistil and calyx is covered.

and yes, this dudes plant is not only huge but also healthy.

i dont fuck with feminization, but if you do feminize seeds, please dont breed with them! just grow em to smoke!

Amen to that!
This is from Ed's "Marijuana Grower's Handbook" (the "Ask Ed" edition):
Female flowers have no petals, but they are identifiable because of their pistils. The pistils have noticeable stigmas, two white or sometimes pastel pink or lavender antennae-like protrusions, attached to an ovary which is an oblong podlike structure. The stigmas pull pollen from the air and then transfer it via hollow tubes down to the ovary. In the ovary the captured pollen from one stigma fertilizes the egg to form an embryo. The pollen from the other stigma is combined with portions of the ovary to form a food source for the embryo within the seed.

That clarifies what I was wondering about, if anyone's interested.

 

[KingJohnC]

High Maharaja could you tell me a little about the silver nitrate as I am very much into silver, that is other than wearing the stuff as jewellery. i used to make colloidal silver, it was a key factor in turning my wifes health back to much better. any how I look foward to your goal making the girl go (hemy? for feminized seeds) into a seed bearing branch or more , wish you every bit of luck

i ordered silver nitrate the kind used for photography, it will be mixed in its own solution. i ordered sodium thiosulfate the kind used to bind chlorine from aquarium water, it will be mixed in its own solution. i will combine a portion of each solution together to form a silver thiosulfate solution and treat the second plant with it when it produces more pistils to my liking and stress the cannabis plant into producing female pollen sacks. the female pollen sacks will be left to ripen and open at that time i will treat the first large plant with the resulting pollen and produce feminized seeds.

Amen to that!
This is from Ed's "Marijuana Grower's Handbook" (the "Ask Ed" edition):
Female flowers have no petals, but they are identifiable because of their pistils. The pistils have noticeable stigmas, two white or sometimes pastel pink or lavender antennae-like protrusions, attached to an ovary which is an oblong podlike structure. The stigmas pull pollen from the air and then transfer it via hollow tubes down to the ovary. In the ovary the captured pollen from one stigma fertilizes the egg to form an embryo. The pollen from the other stigma is combined with portions of the ovary to form a food source for the embryo within the seed.

That clarifies what I was wondering about, if anyone's interested.

thank you for the clarification!

 

[Scarfinger68]

Looking good KingJohnC

Quote Originally Posted by PotChimp View Post

Amen to that!
This is from Ed's "Marijuana Grower's Handbook" (the "Ask Ed" edition):
Female flowers have no petals, but they are identifiable because of their pistils. The pistils have noticeable stigmas, two white or sometimes pastel pink or lavender antennae-like protrusions, attached to an ovary which is an oblong podlike structure. The stigmas pull pollen from the air and then transfer it via hollow tubes down to the ovary. In the ovary the captured pollen from one stigma fertilizes the egg to form an embryo. The pollen from the other stigma is combined with portions of the ovary to form a food source for the embryo within the seed.

That clarifies what I was wondering about, if anyone's interested.

Thanks for the info

 

[Crawdaddy]

KingJohnC,

Nice grow, I love the bushy plant.

Subbed to see future success!

 

[Skybound]

A few questions regarding the current direction of this thread;

1) when stressed to generate feminine pollen sacks, do these sack occur throughout the entire plant or just in desired or random areas?
2) is this pollen used to pollinate the same plant from which the sacks were created? If no, what would be the outcome if the lady were to knock herself up?
3) @PotChimp,
3a) why do you suggest not using fem seeds to breed with?
3b) Is there a known deficiency from breeding this way?
3c) Also, would it be better to simply allow a male pollination to occur when crossing strains to create a new strain?
3d) Can the male be derived from a feminization somewhere within say, the 3 or less previous generations?

 

[b.real]

fems are the main reason for hermie prone. stress that sticks to dna heavier than any other type of stress..after all its this stress that causes mainly female seeds, or feminized males as franco from iffy GSC called it in one of their videos. regardless their strain hunting trips are good info to see for yourself. they found a feminized plant in the wild in africa or something and were shcoked. if this stress didnt stick, it wouldnt work.

if you want to do it to have good all female (almost full female, not true females so we call them fems or terminators!) you need strong starting genetics. get a plant, clone it down once or twice, make sure shes not hermie tained...make sure you like how she grows etc. i wont complain with anything unless its tamed too much and to small! also of course dont want hermie prone stock, the stock that is "more potential to become" becuase of genetics. i like the monsters! this is your stable genetic that you can make seeds out of. you can also cross this "odd pollen" with another female BUT SHE HAS TO BE STABLE

have to do it right with strong regular females

all these OG13 seeds i have were made by one of my friends and i, i got the genetics and he basically did it..i helped and learned. we did reg x reg blackout kushs, two nice growing plants..never found a bad chemdawg, or kush at that! ones out of control, ones like a tank..both yielders..chemdawg stronger imo..no idea what g13 is but i am more numb than usual LOL. i had no idea it was in it

 

[KingJohnC]

A few questions regarding the current direction of this thread;

1) when stressed to generate feminine pollen sacks, do these sack occur throughout the entire plant or just in desired or random areas?
2) is this pollen used to pollinate the same plant from which the sacks were created? If no, what would be the outcome if the lady were to knock herself up?

1) the female pollen sacks will begin to form at any treated areas of the plant.
2) the female pollen will be used on the larger plant to make feminized seeds, it is possible if the whole plant is not treated to pollinate the same plant that forms the female pollen sacks. if the same plant were to be pollinated by the female pollen on untreated pistils it would form its own seeds.

 

[b.real]

1) the female pollen sacks will begin to form at any treated areas of the plant.
2) the female pollen will be used on the larger plant to make feminized seeds, it is possible if the whole plant is not treated to pollinate the same plant that forms the female pollen sacks. if the same plant were to be pollinated by the female pollen on untreated pistils it would form its own seeds.

exactly, and you cant smoke the tainted bud either. but a few tops will give you plenty of seed. if this LA is stable, which it probably is from a good breeder, youre set.

ive only heard of using silver basically ground up very small, and mixed in a solution to suspend it, and thats all you need. at at least 30 ppms. what else are you getting and why?

 

[KingJohnC]

Flower Day 18

today i removed the Deep Water Culture bins from the Seed Cabinet and cleaned them for storage.
i placed a large fan on the left side of the Seed Cabinet and reorganized the plants beneath the High Pressure Sodium light.

here is the second La Confidential plant that will be treated with silver thiosulfate and produce female pollen.

 

[Mainebud]

Looking great! I love the amount of tops. Also great info on the fem seeds. Always wondered how they did that.

 

[ChopBro]

And the world thinks stoners are dumb & don't ever accomplish anything. I've learned more science on this site than I did in school

 

[PotChimp]

b.real pretty much covered the subject, Skybound. I'll add that the stock we all get from the seed banks isn't stable (unless they advertise "IBL" or "breeding stock"), and shouldn't be used because it is going to be hard enough to nail down specific plant traits as each generation goes by. When the parents DNA isn't stable and the traits of their offspring are hopping all over the map, it is going to be very difficult to control outcomes. It's always better to use a true male with strong traits for breeding (unless you are attempting to do what KingJohnC is doing, producing fem seeds). And I've read that a male is possible from fem seeds, but I'm not sure how many generations it takes.

 

[captainhowdy]

Beautiful plant you've got there.

 

[CajunCelt]

Beautiful sir!

 

[b.real]

looking great, but im sorry, that is not a 100% indica plant. thats ok, hybris are the best. the high may be indica leaning though, im not god i dont know how any of that really works, but i do see sativa leaves and buds forming.

i would really enjoy a cut of this plant

 

[Backpackin420]

Everything is looking great King! keep up the good work man!

 

[Sinsemillas]

Im glad to see your plant is loving the setup. Keep it up! And good work on the Silver and fem seeds, its going to save you loads of time/money. Cheers, +Reps to you!.

 

[KingJohnC]

Flower Day 20

Pistil development is in high gear now. LA Confidential was watered with a 1 gallon of nutrient mixture consisting of 12 millilitres per gallon of Flora Grow, 12 millilitres per gallon of Flora Micro and 12 millilitres per gallon of Flora Bloom. LA Confidential number 2 was given its first watering with 3 Millilitres per gallon of Flora Grow, 3 millilitres per gallon of Flora Micro and 3 millilitres per gallon of Flora Bloom. the High Pressure Sodium light was raise 1 chain link.

close up of pistils development

LA Confidential number 2 Flower Day 04

 

[DirtyDanny]

Lookin sweet King..........

 

[Sinsemillas]

Sweet ! that girl will get frosty as north pole.