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Budding has begun and stretch is in full effect. I’ve managed to stabilize the room around 80F, I’ll take it. I’ll be watering and top dressing tonight
Keffka's Recycling, KOS Blue Thai, Herbies Seeds Apple Betty, Runtz Punch
Gee64
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lol the blue arrow. its pointing at your yoyos. They look like a big bug hanging there
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lol the blue arrow. its pointing at your yoyos. They look like a big bug hanging there
I would pay good money for a bug that size if it just hung around and patrolled the garden
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I’m really pushing the roots on these plants.. you can see on the first images there’s not a whole lot of vibrant new growth even though they’re deep into stretch now. This is an indicator they need water soon. I’m pushing them a bit further because I want more roots. I need these plants to fill these containers with roots so I can push them hard once they fully enter flower, and to do that I need a big, strong root system.
To get that, in each container from sprout, I starve the plants of water right up to the limit, forcing the roots to search out more water. Once the plants focus changes from dominant root growth to dominant flower growth I will keep the roots moist almost constantly. The vegetative mass put on in flower is an incredible amount and the plant needs an almost constant stream of water to really put on that weight since water comprises so much of it.
To get that, in each container from sprout, I starve the plants of water right up to the limit, forcing the roots to search out more water. Once the plants focus changes from dominant root growth to dominant flower growth I will keep the roots moist almost constantly. The vegetative mass put on in flower is an incredible amount and the plant needs an almost constant stream of water to really put on that weight since water comprises so much of it.
Gee64
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They look really really happy. Very stress free. They got good roots. Beuaties DudeI’m really pushing the roots on these plants.. you can see on the first images there’s not a whole lot of vibrant new growth even though they’re deep into stretch now. This is an indicator they need water soon. I’m pushing them a bit further because I want more roots. I need these plants to fill these containers with roots so I can push them hard once they fully enter flower, and to do that I need a big, strong root system.
To get that, in each container from sprout, I starve the plants of water right up to the limit, forcing the roots to search out more water. Once the plants focus changes from dominant root growth to dominant flower growth I will keep the roots moist almost constantly. The vegetative mass put on in flower is an incredible amount and the plant needs an almost constant stream of water to really put on that weight since water comprises so much of it.
If your mix can feed them to finish you are going to love this harvest! The training is awesome, but the color is even better.
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They look really really happy. Very stress free. They got good roots. Beuaties Dude
The training is awesome, but the color is even better.
I’m in love with the coloring especially
The larger one with red, but I’m even more fascinated with the vast difference in phenotypes for Revs Seeds.. one of them is short and bushy with bright coloring and the other is taller, less bushy with deeper coloring and red petioles. It’s a trip to see such a variety in a single strain
I use similar numbers of tops in a perfect world. Do you believe in the “sweet spot?” It’s a mythical place where you have created the exact right number of colas to max the plant. I believe in it and believe the ideal number is between 8 and 20. This is based on (for me) negating side branching and just growing out the colas, like I’m doing in the tent now with the Geo girls. Clone has 11 colas in the ring plus her middle (yes, I let her have a middle, lol) and the Skywalker and Bubblegum Sherbet have 10 or 11 each. I was going for 12 on them but my less dominant first node branch couldn’t catch the canopy without me bringing it down.
I’m just getting here Keffka and I gotta go slow. If it’s okay I’d like to ask my questions as I go through and they come up? Like this question which is from the first pages, for example. Cool?
So the idea that the colony has to be wet all the time, even in veg, sounds like the first point I’ve heard you and Gee differ on. I water like you described to build roots, and tend to figure whatever I built in veg will carry her and in flower I keep it moister like you said. So when I read Gee’s watering method it made me wonder exactly this. Why is it okay to starve water in veg relative to the colony? Am I right that you two have different opinions about this?They look really really happy. Very stress free. They got good roots. Beuaties Dude
The training is awesome, but the color is even better.
Morning @Keffka - I have been thinking about what you said about roots and heat of your grows. See, this is a great example of how you guys are one by one breaking down everything I normally do and in essence completely changing my growing style. I have always grown colder. Like, 72-74 in veg, 68-72 in flower. And maybe one would say when you grow with nutes the temperature thing is not as vital. But I don’t see why the behavior of the roots relative to temperature and watering and RH in an organic grow would be any different than in a chem grow? Wouldn’t that particular thing always hold true? I don’t see why it wouldn’t. So I’ve gone into reassess mode, especially as it applies to using my AC units. In the smaller tents I’ve been blowing cold air directly into the pots of the plant right in front of the tent vent. It’s also fall here now, so the ambient environment is perfect. I have discontinued both AC units and am running ambient in veg for the Geo tent and all the way in the scrog tent. Don’t need the AC, it’s doing more harm than good. Damn. Another maxim bites the dust.
ChronicCultivator
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Hey Gee64, good to see how you're applying the Brix knowledge from veggies to cannabis. Totally makes sense to monitor the soil improvements like that. I'm still getting a grip on all this, so thanks for sharing!
Totally feel you on that, Gee64. The more I grow, the more I learn that these plants have their own unique way of telling us what they need. Appreciate your insight!
Hey Melville, that's a super handy piece of info. Thinking of trying my hand at an indoor grow soon. Your experiences really help to shape my understanding. Cheers!
Gee64
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Jon Keff uppots, I sprout in the final containers. I use the wet dry cycle to fill my 10 gallon pot for about the 1st 3 weeks and I have to be very particular with it to get a seedling to settle in to a big pot. Once I get roots poking out the bottom I fully soak the entire pot and then keep it constantly evenly moist, not wet. When you uppot you have to use the wet dry cycle to coax roots into the new soil each uppotting.
Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. I also uppot and know and do exactly as you say already. That’s how it’s done. I only started my seedlings in the final pot on one grow. Both were in 7s. I only did it to test my watering skills. I filled both pots. That was all I needed. I don’t really understand what you see as the advantage to starting in the final container? Can you tell me why specifically you make that choice?
@Gee64, thanks, and this one is kinda important. Hmm. See that’s something I’d have no way of knowing. Well, it’s done now and I’m not chopping branches at this point, so do you think my clone with 11 tops and the middle will be okay in the 7? Or do you think it would be better in terms of sustaining the plant through flower if I pared out most of the middle and just flowered out the colas? The middle I could lose and not be depressed for days, lol. If it would be better to just flower the 11 mains I’ll do it right now.
Besides droughting at the end, (that extreme drought thing Otter does among others) are there any circumstances in your opinion when stressing the plant to some extent on purpose is a good idea?
Gee64
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I like roots. I find I get better roots if I start in finals.
Stoner logic says use veg soil in veg and flower soil in flower.
Gee logic says you need phosphorus and it takes time to mine it, so why would you use low phos veg soil? It actually makes zero sense to me.
Nature doesn't use 2 soils.
So by using full strength flower soil from day 1, it allows me to bypass uppotting from solo to veg pots to flower pots.
Plus Im lazy
Gee64
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Hard to say but I use 12 colas in 2 gallon pots too. I just like 12. 11 and a main. It makes for a nice Christmas tree shape.
Thats kind of a personal preference thing. The only way to see what your soil can grow is to try. Mathematically speaking, your pot only has so much food in it so it can only grow so much, but teas will get you to the finish line if the pot runs out. If you don't want to brew teas weekly, then next grow you use a bigger pot or a smaller plant. Every strain is different on how much it eats. Indicas are smaller, but I find they eat as much as a bigger sativa does. I wish I had a more exact answer for you, but the real answer is "It depends" lol. Shoot for the stars, you have a good tea recipe
Gee64
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So my final answer... Id do it in a 7, no problem, because I have many times. I use 7gal cube pots that fit perfectly into milk crates. I just like 10s more is all.Hard to say but I use 12 colas in 2 gallon pots too. I just like 12. 11 and a main. It makes for a nice Christmas tree shape.
Thats kind of a personal preference thing. The only way to see what your soil can grow is to try. Mathematically speaking, your pot only has so much food in it so it can only grow so much, but teas will get you to the finish line if the pot runs out. If you don't want to brew teas weekly, then next grow you use a bigger pot or a smaller plant. Every strain is different on how much it eats. Indicas are smaller, but I find they eat as much as a bigger sativa does. I wish I had a more exact answer for you, but the real answer is "It depends" lol. Shoot for the stars, you have a good tea recipe
Final answer. Lmao. Suddenly I’m in a combination game show and lab. Heh. Thank you! That tells me what I need to know and here is my final answer. I’m going to pare the middle. Not eliminate it. I’m going to take about half or less. The lowest shoots. That will give more space for air between the middle buds anyway. Win win. Sound like a plan?
I’m jonesing to take her Brix reading but I took it five days ago. Got a 13.1 then and you all say in theory it should rise as we develop buds. Assuming a healthy plant. I think 13.1 before flower signifies a reasonably healthy plant for essentially my first “real” time doing this. (I no longer count my Sohum, or my FF/Geo nothing else garbage. I can’t anymore. I’ll get laughed out of the lab. Lmao!). Anyway, kissing my own ass aside, I’m going to take a reading on Saturday, which is flip day. That way I get a reading at the first day of flower.