Keffka's Recycling, KOS Blue Thai, Herbies Seeds Apple Betty, Runtz Punch

It is interesting, and likely a total coincidence, ;) that my outdoor 17 gal SIP plants look a lot better this year than last. The only difference is that this year I mixed in compost as about half the mix, the other half old soil and hydroton.

Last year the plants started yellowing around early July and I didn't get much of a harvest after that. This year I've already harvested more than all of last year and the plants are still nice and green.

I also give them a (mostly) weekly dose of my worm casting JLF, but that's pretty much it. I'm currently working on my stockpile of comfrey and nettle mostly so I can run them through the worm bins this winter, but if I have some excess I may add some of that to the plants next year.

Day by day, we're getting better!
 
The gang last night, last two solos transplanted and topped
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Transplanted


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Transplants topped, 24 hours later

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@Gee64 @Azimuth @BeanTownFan420 @StoneOtter @Melville Hobbes @Krissi Carbone and anyone else I missed.. Boss man sent me these images.. what’s everyone’s opinion? I know it’s not much to go on but anyone have any ideas? I asked about bugs and he said there’s none he can see.. the coloring on the leaves and growth is wild looking

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That looks like early russet mites damage to me.

Neem, Citric acid and dish soap kills most bugs and it wont smell like death like it does indoors 🤣
 
That looks like early russet mites damage to me.

Neem, Citric acid and dish soap kills most bugs and it wont smell like death like it does indoors 🤣

So I explained all of this to the boss man and got the exact response I expected. “I don’t think there’s anything wrong like that with it, I think it’s just the strain”. So that’s what we’re dealing with lol.

I told him I didn’t agree and proceeded to recommend adding browns to the soil in the fall going forward and to spray the plants down with a neem mix. I wound up pointing out all the different things we each saw wrong and all the stuff he should be doing differently. Time will tell if he’s listened lol.
 
A closeup of the leaves.. just finished tying everyone down again.. manifolds are almost finished across the board and we’ll just be waiting on them to start filling out soon. Coloring is deep and gorgeous, the leaves look shiny and meaty like they’re full of nutrition.. These are some good looking plants.. Flower oughta be fun

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Went in to the room last night and one of the plants had fallen over sideways due to the weights I put on the branches. I must’ve had them misbalanced and the fan pushed them over. I removed the weights and repositioned the plant. I had to use a couple pieces of garden wire to get it where I wanted and had to wait for the plant to turn back toward the light.

Going forward I am either going to figure out a better way to secure the main stem to keep the plant steady, or figure out a way to literally tie down the branches so I’m not depending on weight distribution and securing the main stem. Tying the branches down should also help keep the branches straighter. The weights work well but the branch typically becomes stronger and requires additional weights as it grows.
 
A closeup of the leaves.. just finished tying everyone down again.. manifolds are almost finished across the board and we’ll just be waiting on them to start filling out soon. Coloring is deep and gorgeous, the leaves look shiny and meaty like they’re full of nutrition.. These are some good looking plants.. Flower oughta be fun

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Beauty! The mains look big and meaty for their size. Thats exactly what you want in a good manifold👍👊 Looking good😎
 
Everyone getting ready for bed. I dislike taking fan leaves so I’ve left as many as I can for now. I’ll try to tuck and fold as many as I can but manifolding does require me to take a few of them.

This grow is ridiculously easy. Forcing myself to flower in 3 gallons was invaluable. Everything else is a cake walk.

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Beauty! The mains look big and meaty for their size. Thats exactly what you want in a good manifold👍👊 Looking good😎

I’m in love with what the calcium is doing for the grow, it’s damn near a magic bullet.
 
I’m in love with what the calcium is doing for the grow, it’s damn near a magic bullet.
It's pretty sweet isn't it 😎. It makes everything work better.

Adding more up top pre-emptively is much better than reacting.

Rev's seeds give you some cool phenos and he has a lot of red genetics so you could be in for seeing some really cool colors.

Your soil will let the plant express those colors if it wants too.

I'm excited to see how this goes.
 
It's pretty sweet isn't it 😎. It makes everything work better.

Adding more up top pre-emptively is much better than reacting.

Rev's seeds give you some cool phenos and he has a lot of red genetics so you could be in for seeing some really cool colors.

Your soil will let the plant express those colors if it wants too.

I'm excited to see how this goes.

I added 1/2 tsp of EWC per gallon of soil starting yesterday as they need water. I sprinkle it on the mulch then just water it in.

The two plants I just transplanted that were top dressed with Geoflora, their soil was feeling stiff when wet so I sprinkled the same ratio EWC on their containers and as soon as it watered in it loosened the soil a bit.

It’s got me thinking of how many times calcium is the answer to problems and people just don’t realize it.

Ive been reading through the high brix journals and see lots of people say Dolomite lime should be switched out for something with more calcium. They say the magnesium is too high in Dolomite lime? What are your thoughts? My belief currently is that the DL is fine since I am also using gypsum, fish bone meal, SRP, and oyster shells to also bring calcium as well. The amount of Mag is fine as long as the Calcium is something like 8:1 I think.

Also there seems to be an obsession with foliar spraying organic acids and using lots of teas. I think this may be due to poor gardening practices with limited understanding of soil biology. The organic acids could wreak havoc on my balance, and the teas can be cut out/down by germinating properly and introducing the correct types of microbes from the start.

It’s my understanding that if I maintain a healthy balance and biology there really isn’t much need for me to keep throwing gallons of microbes in the soil, especially because I can’t dial in the types of microbes and cannabis prefers her specific ratios and types. I’m much better off germinating the cannabis’ preferred microbes and just keeping them fed

Thoughts?
 
Hi Keffka, when I see a plant looking like your boss's my head goes to bugs in the soil as others have mentioned. In pots I've had bugs in mothers. Sounds like a nice boss. Maybe he'll take your advice and save his plant.
It’s my understanding that if I maintain a healthy balance and biology there really isn’t much need for me to keep throwing gallons of microbes in the soil, especially because I can’t dial in the types of microbes and cannabis prefers her specific ratios and types. I’m much better off germinating the cannabis’ preferred microbes and just keeping them fed
My soil has been cycled maybe 4 to 6 times and lately I've been lacking in adding to the micro herd during a grow. I'm not seeing a lack in growth. I hit em once or twice. Since this SIP grow I haven't added at all. I will one day soon. There seems to be plenty of life in there.
 
I added 1/2 tsp of EWC per gallon of soil starting yesterday as they need water. I sprinkle it on the mulch then just water it in.

👍If you can use EWC and never experience a calcium problem you are getting good smoke😎

The two plants I just transplanted that were top dressed with Geoflora, their soil was feeling stiff when wet so I sprinkled the same ratio EWC on their containers and as soon as it watered in it loosened the soil a bit.

It’s got me thinking of how many times calcium is the answer to problems and people just don’t realize it.

Thats why CalMag is my favorite rescue tool. If you need it you need it.

Ive been reading through the high brix journals and see lots of people say Dolomite lime should be switched out for something with more calcium. They say the magnesium is too high in Dolomite lime? What are your thoughts? My belief currently is that the DL is fine since I am also using gypsum, fish bone meal, SRP, and oyster shells to also bring calcium as well. The amount of Mag is fine as long as the Calcium is something like 8:1 I think.

This is what I put in the 20 gals recycled soil that I used for my outdoor PK's that are nailing some pretty high brix, as far as outright Calcium inputs go. Mag and Sulphur too.

I'm not exactly sure what the ratio of Calcium to Magnesium to Gypsum is in there as I have never calculated it, but it's also my only direct inputs. Traces may creep in with other additives.

5 cups prilled dolomite
.75 cups gypsum
1 cup oyster shell flour

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Whatever the math comes out to on that is a pretty good ratio for LOS in my findings.

Also there seems to be an obsession with foliar spraying organic acids and using lots of teas. I think this may be due to poor gardening practices with limited understanding of soil biology. The organic acids could wreak havoc on my balance, and the teas can be cut out/down by germinating properly and introducing the correct types of microbes from the start.
I agree but that being said, some guys do some pretty cool stuff with it, I just prefer that the soil supplies.

Foliars can be great rescues. Fish ferts on a foliar spray on a sick or runty seedling is good medicine,

but for general growing I think you get better plants when the plant eats what it wants, not what we tell it too, at least for how I grow.

It’s my understanding that if I maintain a healthy balance and biology there really isn’t much need for me to keep throwing gallons of microbes in the soil, especially because I can’t dial in the types of microbes and cannabis prefers her specific ratios and types.

This is where letting last crops myco go dormant, causing last crops microbes to go dormant, the reason I always preach that any good mix should contain used soil.

Add a root and water and it self-innoculates the new pot to right where it was when the last crop finished.

If you also use that same used soil to run through your worm farm then you are innoculating your EWC, and if you think you need a tea to boost microbes then its a tea of your microbes.

I like to use a bit more myco at planting than most and get a good strong fungal base in the soil. Fish ferts really help here, Its why I preach fish ferts.

Microbes are waking and indigenizing but fungal is dominant, and then about 8 days after transplant when the myco you added at transplant should be really starting to establish, I hit it with a microbial tea of just water, BSM, and EWC.

At this point myco can withstand the onslaught of fresh microbes and you see a big boost.

That being said, this is how I administer my teas and I find it makes tea go farther AND reduces tip burn that tea almost always causes.

I fully water my pots gently but very thoroughly to full saturation and runoff, then as they are dripping out I add the tea, then when the dripping stops I add a bit more water.

Then just water lightly and frequently for 3 or 4 days but not to runoff, only to dampen the tea again.

I’m much better off germinating the cannabis’ preferred microbes and just keeping them fed

By recycling you already are. If you cook used soil myco takes a beatdown which is fine if you know that, but if you cut your final cooked recipe with some used soil and blend it really well right before potting, you get what you already paid for.

Thoughts?
not really🤣🤣🤣
 
My soil has been cycled maybe 4 to 6 times and lately I've been lacking in adding to the micro herd during a grow. I'm not seeing a lack in growth. I hit em once or twice. Since this SIP grow I haven't added at all. I will one day soon. There seems to be plenty of life in there.

Yep, this jives. Microbes can reproduce just fine on their own. If you’ve for some reason committed microbial genocide then I can see using a tea or other means to restore order. If you’ve kept them fed they should just fire away without any intervention.

As I say this though I remembered the high brix stuff talks about starting from pro-mix. This would probably require a few teas to get everything moving and keep it so. It’s probably much easier for us with recycling.
 
I noticed that soon as you transplanted your girls into fabric pots your cal/mag deficiencies went away from the plastic containers.
The problem with this is because folks try to get out of the smaller containers to fast to accommodate this. Wrong thinking, it's the smaller plastic containers that gives us incredible side branching that really influences yields.
This is a indicator to increase your cal/mag going forward bro.
Just my thoughts
Everything looks great
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I noticed that soon as you transplanted your girls into fabric pots your cal/mag deficiencies went away from the plastic containers.
The problem with this is because folks try to get out of the smaller containers to fast to accommodate this. Wrong thinking, it's the smaller plastic containers that gives us incredible side branching that really influences yields.
This is a indicator to increase your cal/mag going forward bro.
Just my thoughts
Everything looks great
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Normally I would agree but I don’t think the solos I used were going to rootbound like a normal solo. I soldered holes all over the cup to mimic a fabric pot, and even after 21 days and 5 nodes in the cups the roots had not begun to circle yet.

It doesn’t matter much anyway because going forward it should no longer be an issue. I’ve initiated the mineralized soil and will continue to remineralize it after every grow. I also will no longer sprout in seedling mixes after this grow either. They’ll go into a peat layer with a used soil layer and the mineralized soil underneath for sprouting. I’m hoping this was only an issue on this first grow because I started from nothing.
 
Woke up and saw this ridiculous forecast
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Was already salty about dealing with the mid 50s weather the past couple days then saw that lol.. it’s chilled out a bit since then and is now this:
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Thankfully I have strong myco to keep everything resilient. In my experience this summer though, the weather forecasts these wild temperatures then the day winds up being 78f lol I need to flip to flower in the middle to the end of September.. It’ll probably still be 80.. These 25 degree difference days should help pull out some decent colors
 
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