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Melville Hobbes said:
Mosaic virus maybe?
Any idea what he's feeding them, if anything?
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Melville Hobbes said:
It does look a lot like russet mite damage.
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Emilya Green said:
looks like bug damage to me... no one seems to ever see the things, but they are usually there nevertheless.
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He’s not feeding anything in particular, however it is a fertile, mineralized soil his wife makes for general purpose gardening. It’s worked for him in the past according to him. I am iffy on his gardening judgement for a variety of reasons though.

My initial thought was pests as well. Judging by the area around the plant, it looks like a lot of dying vegetation ripe for attraction. The plant itself looks like it’s been physically ravaged. This is also in a more remoteish area (his up north cabin/home)
 
I've found general gardening amendments work well for in-ground cannabis. I usually don't feed in ground plants, and they still grow really well in the garden.
Russet mites are to small to see without magnification. @Bill284 got rid of them with miticide, but it was a systemic chemical, and you couldn't harvest within a certain number of days. It was really early in the season though, so he had time.
Otherwise I don't know anything about them, or what else it could be.
Sorry.
 
Azimuth said:
Boy, I don't know. Magnesium def maybe?

@Emilya Green ?
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Krissi Carbone said:
Mag def is my thought I'm unfamiliar with the mites, Kef.
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I thought Mag as well however it looks like his veins are yellow and the edges of the leaves are green to me.. In my experience it’s inverted and the vein area is green while the edges are yellow.. For example here’s his:
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And here’s mine with a verified Mag issue
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I’m really bad with colors though.. I have a hard time telling subtle differences and I often can’t see certain colors very well, if at all.

The other thing that really stumped me in his image, his new growth looks like it’s frying and dying.. almost like it’s dehydrated and burnt, similar to the surrounding vegetation.

And this part just looks horrible lol
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The only other time I’ve ever seen leaves like that was in a garden that was forgotten about and everything was dying.
 
Melville Hobbes said:
I've found general gardening amendments work well for in-ground cannabis. I usually don't feed in ground plants, and they still grow really well in the garden.
Russet mites are to small to see without magnification. @Bill284 got rid of them with miticide, but it was a systemic chemical, and you couldn't harvest within a certain number of days. It was really early in the season though, so he had time.
Otherwise I don't know anything about them, or what else it could be.
Sorry.
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Agreed on general gardening amendments, and in ground plants. You and I have actually talked about that and how the ground has basically everything cannabis would need. He hasn’t answered me but I believe that raised bed he has them in has a wooden floor so the roots aren’t breaking through to the earth. If they are breaking through to the earth then I’d be willing to bet a lot it’s pest damage.

I question his gardening judgement and more specifically his cannabis judgement due to an issue he had with clones (and a few others but this one sticks out). He claimed the plant he cloned wasn’t in flower. However he said that when trying to root and raise them indoors they kept going into flower right away. He said that he was giving them 18 hours of light and never got anywhere close to 12 hours of dark but his clones just keep going directly into flower. I told him to double check timers and be positive his plants aren’t getting 12 hours of dark.. I told him about autos but he says that’s not possible the mother wasn’t an auto. He sent me pics and they’re really potato quality and hard to tell but from his explanation I insisted they were getting 12 hours of dark and he insisted they weren’t then gave up, so that’s always sat with me and made me question how much he understands.

He is an awesome boss though who I’ll go weeks without hearing from some times, he doesn’t micromanage, and I get 50% of the daily totals, so I don’t mind helping him out here and there lol
 
Maybe, but I don't even want to know about russet mites. :eek:

Given the state of his garden, whatever it is, he's not helping things out.
 
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The 4 most abundant things in the dry weight of a plant. The other 3% is everything we spend too much money on.

As you can see carbon is a little bit important. Actually it's important enough that they invented a word.... organic...it roughly translates to "of carbon base" so it's not really me and my carbon, it's most people without enough carbon.

Carbon confuses almost everyone. They think that the plant pulls it out of the air, and it does, but it's in the air, heavy on the ground, because AEROBIC microbes eat it and combine it with the aerobic part (oxygen) and breathe it out as CO2.

If its not in your soil the microbes go dormant and the CO2 cycle becomes broken. The real question is "If you are low on soil carbon and it causes microbes to go dormant, what were the microbes that went dormant processing? what deficiencies will show up? was it phos miners? nitro fixers? ....
 
Gee64 said:
When I have purposely grown carbon deficient plants they look a lot like that. It also looks like some heat stress. Has he grown in this spot repeatedly without replenishing carbon?
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Yknow I initially thought heat stress myself but that doesn’t make much sense for his location. We have had an extremely mild summer with quite a bit of rain. I think we’ve only had maybe 2-3 days above 85. I’ll double check on the weather.

Growing in that same location on the other hand may be correct. I have a feeling he’s likely tried growing in this spot multiple times. I’ll ask him. He’s the type who likes to keep things real simple and low cost. So simple and low cost that he refuses to buy seeds, doesn’t want to purchase a grow rated light, and wants to be able to just show up once every two weeks to check on them and water. I managed to get him to at least buy myco if he wants to be that hands off.
 
Gee64 said:
it doesn't take much heat to stress a sick plant.
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Most of his plants look on the sicker side from what I’ve seen. He’s pulled a decent a harvest a few times before which makes me think carbon may be playing a role
 
Keffka said:
Most of his plants look on the sicker side from what I’ve seen. He’s pulled a decent a harvest a few times before which makes me think carbon may be playing a role
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Interesting. For a few years I've been growing my garlic in the same spot in my garden without amending it and the bulbs have been getting smaller and smaller. So this year I started adding some compost to that soil in the hopes of improving things going forward.

Sounds like maybe I'm on the right track.

I've also got that mini-experiment of coco vs compost started with my SIPS. Slowly, but surely, it's getting thru so, keep at it @Gee64 . You may feel like you're shouting in the wilderness, but it is having an effect. ❤️
 
Azimuth said:
Interesting. For a few years I've been growing my garlic in the same spot in my garden without amending it and the bulbs have been getting smaller and smaller. So this year I started adding some compost to that soil in the hopes of improving things going forward.

Sounds like maybe I'm on the right track.

I've also got that mini-experiment of coco vs compost started with my SIPS. Slowly, but surely, it's getting thru so, keep at it @Gee64 . You may feel like you're shouting in the wilderness, but it is having an effect. ❤️
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I met a gal who competes annually for the world record largest garlic. Her dirty secret is to plant on September 1st not October 1st like most do. I tried it. Absolutely massive!
 
Gee64 said:
I met a gal who competes annually for the world record largest garlic. Her dirty secret is to plant on September 1st not October 1st like most do. I tried it. Absolutely massive!
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And probably sufficient carbon in her soil. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
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