Journeying Into The Unknown With High Brix

Hello everyone, well these plants took a turn. I guess I have unhappy roots.
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They never really recovered from being droopy from being dry. I noticed as I was dunking that the leaves turned more unhappy. Here it is two days later and really not much improvement. There is new growth but not cheery new growth. So I thought maybe saturating all of the soil during dunking might be the problem. Not much I can do about that now except make adjustments for the next watering by only wetting the pot three quarters of the way. Maybe it was water temps. Not that because the water I used I store in the tent so it's clearly above 72 degrees. Not above 80 either. I used plastic buckets. I even drilled new holes in the pot to make sure it drains out properly to avoid wet feet. I also lowered the plants away from the cobs from nine inches to eighteen inches and dimmed the cobs to about thirty percent output to avoid any possible leaf burns till they dry off.. By reading Doc Bud's Q and A topic and Dopey's I decided to do a distress foliar spray at 7 mls in 8 ounces of water. Put them back in tent. I'm all ears on how I screwed up or suggestive ideas. That's it for now.
 
Evenin Beamer,..i got thoughts. Way too strong DeStress, way too close to the light at 9inches, and forget the dunking for now...water from the top, till it runs out the bottom, just a few thoughts! cheers eh!:high-five:
 
Duggan said:
Evenin Beamer,..i got thoughts. Way too strong DeStress, way too close to the light at 9inches, and forget the dunking for now...water from the top, till it runs out the bottom, just a few thoughts! cheers eh!:high-five:
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The distress instructions day 1 ounce to 1 quart of water. I just cut by 4. I got 7mls to 8 ounces water. What should it have been for 8 ounces water?
 
Hey TB...I'll let Duggs answer your back and forth but many folks are doing foliars at .5ml/oz so 4ml for 8 oz.

9" could be the problem and even 18" could be too close especially for a younger plant in veg. Those COBs are damn strong. I too bought the Timber's just a few months ago and used them in my recent Blue Dream grow...I got the 400W vero29's. when I first put it in the tent i started around 26" and turned them down to about 75% for a week to let the plant adjust. Then I went 100% and started lowering it but I never got closer than 18" in flower.
 
All caught up! :cheesygrinsmiley:

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Great morning to ya Beamer I know the directions say that amount but try half strength till they get bigger.i never use much Destress in my grows and when I do I use it half strength. Please remember to only must the leaves ....not soak them ok. Those new cobs are very strong ....ease them up to full power over a few weeks ...something like Beaves said there.cheers
 
Duggan said:
Great morning to ya Beamer I know the directions say that amount but try half strength till they get bigger.i never use much Destress in my grows and when I do I use it half strength.
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I understand. One thing I notice while reading and watching videos is(outside of brix grows), why do most people running nutes mix at half strength? Why not follow the prescribed doses. I see this all the time. There is one grower who does videos on YT and his charts from the manufacturer says mix at blah blah mls but they always cut in half. Then their plants show deficiencies and they are happy with it. Why not just follow instructions. I can see if a strain is finicky but he has been growing gorilla glue for years and still cuts the doses. Sorry for rant.
 
Hey Beamer....only thought I have on the half strength nutes is that so many growers like to grow Sativa dom. strains and they are almost always 'light" feeders....so!
 
Duggan said:
Hey Beamer....only thought I have on the half strength nutes is that so many growers like to grow Sativa dom. strains and they are almost always 'light" feeders....so!
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Does this go for the 'new' kit formulas, the old ones or both?
 
TripleBeam said:
I understand. One thing I notice while reading and watching videos is(outside of brix grows), why do most people running nutes mix at half strength? Why not follow the prescribed doses. I see this all the time. There is one grower who does videos on YT and his charts from the manufacturer says mix at blah blah mls but they always cut in half. Then their plants show deficiencies and they are happy with it. Why not just follow instructions. I can see if a strain is finicky but he has been growing gorilla glue for years and still cuts the doses. Sorry for rant.
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It could be that most Nutrient mixes are designed with "LUXURY LEVELS" of nutrients for the plants,
this can cause problems like lookout with buildup. More is not always better, I would want to be
able to correct for a deficiency rather than half to flush and start over. This is how I understood
the idea when using Nutes.
 
With the kit...follow directions with all ingredients..but I go light with Destress....always.
 
Last night pics. The plants are recovering. The new growth looks good and healthy. Did a little LSTing. This is before.
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...and after
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Just wanted to share the fan contraption I made to use in tent. Mini tower fan I drilled a hole in base to attach to the threaded post on the wooden tripod stand that was sitting in attic area.
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Thats it for now. Temps range from 78 day to 73 night.
 
Coloradokid19 said:
Does this go for the 'new' kit formulas, the old ones or both?
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There is a wide range of "feeding" that will work with the kit. It's hard to over feed. Much harder than underfeeding.

The problem most people have are in the "little" things: not cooking the soil long enough, or on a cold slab. Using too small of containers, transplanting too early and damaging roots that aren't ready, spraying too much, too often, having a poor environment and over watering....basically not following directions.

The idea of a "deficiency" with the kit only comes into play with the old formulas and certain strains. These types of strains are becoming quite popular at this time, so I reformulated everything to accomadate this....and there is basically NO WAY we can have a deficiency in the kit.

90% of problems are due to environment, the rest to user error/learning curve.

When you see a "deficiency" look to the roots, not the leaves.
 
Doc Bud said:
There is a wide range of "feeding" that will work with the kit. It's hard to over feed. Much harder than underfeeding.

The problem most people have are in the "little" things: not cooking the soil long enough, or on a cold slab. Using too small of containers, transplanting too early and damaging roots that aren't ready, spraying too much, too often, having a poor environment and over watering....basically not following directions.

The idea of a "deficiency" with the kit only comes into play with the old formulas and certain strains. These types of strains are becoming quite popular at this time, so I reformulated everything to accomadate this....and there is basically NO WAY we can have a deficiency in the kit.

90% of problems are due to environment, the rest to user error/learning curve.

When you see a "deficiency" look to the roots, not the leaves.
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Great info, thanks Doc! I am just getting my feet wet with the new formulas, my 6 clones are in 1 gals and just got their first GE about a week ago and look lovely. They're about to get up potted to 3 gals and they definitely need it! Also I'm on my last round of flower with the old formulas. Still having to topdress that Skywalker now that I'm getting into mid bloom lol. This next Skywalker will have the luxury of having the new formulas and her frankenstrain side will sure be satisfied haha
 
Coloradokid19 said:
Great info, thanks Doc! I am just getting my feet wet with the new formulas, my 6 clones are in 1 gals and just got their first GE about a week ago and look lovely. They're about to get up potted to 3 gals and they definitely need it! Also I'm on my last round of flower with the old formulas. Still having to topdress that Skywalker now that I'm getting into mid bloom lol. This next Skywalker will have the luxury of having the new formulas and her frankenstrain side will sure be satisfied haha
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Skywalker.....I love this strain and am getting better at it each time I bloom it.

So far, I find that feeding very light in the beginning to allow maximum root formation and then hitting it hard in the last 3 weeks is resulting in the best harvests so far. It has an amazing effect.
 
I looked in at the plants this morning before lights out and not much has changed in two and half days. I would say about a five percent improvement. Ya know what, I'll take it! Better than going backwards.The healthy growth has progressed slowly. They are drinking water. I really think the problem was light stress and maybe other minor issues. The funky leaf growth is the clue to me. Seven and nine bladed leaves to three bladed leaves in the top growth. Lower growth was healthier being shaded more from the intense lighting. Totally all my fault. It must have been terrible. Getting dunked with its first GE, all that energy to burst out new growth and I blasted it with a flame thrower for a few days. :sadface: No wonder they were stressed. Lesson learned the hard way. I decided to check the gap between again and the tallest plant is at eighteen inches. I better drop them down to twenty four. Mission accomplished. Hopefully will enjoy some cool temperatures
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...and good airflow blowing over their canopy
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