Jon's Sneak It In Auto Grow

Jon I am going to be in the same boat as I know I do not have enough to get me through this grow. I am going to have to find another nutes system. I was thinking of using Advance Nutrients. I used it in my last grow, or I could try Fox Farm idk I have a little time to figure it out, but I do not have a lot of knowledge about nutrients.
Ok I get it. I have grown with the following, all using complete sets with all ingredients :

- Fox Farms
- Canna for Soil
- Blue Planet
- Prescription Blend
- Remo
- GeoFlora

And of those, for coco, take GeoFlora out of the mix and substitute Canna for Coco, I would rank them like this:

#1. (tie) - Remo and Prescription Blend
#2. Blue Planet
#3. Canna
#4. Fox Farms

In all honesty and not to be an ass, but I would put Fox Farms at the bottom of any list. Imho you’d do better with any of the others. I haven’t used Advanced, but many do and have. Someone else will likely comment on that.

Hope that helps.
 
Ok I get it. I have grown with the following, all using complete sets with all ingredients :

- Fox Farms
- Canna for Soil
- Blue Planet
- Prescription Blend
- Remo
- GeoFlora

And of those, for coco, take GeoFlora out of the mix and substitute Canna for Coco, I would rank them like this:

#1. (tie) - Remo and Prescription Blend
#2. Blue Planet
#3. Canna
#4. Fox Farms

In all honesty and not to be an ass, but I would put Fox Farms at the bottom of any list. Imho you’d do better with any of the others. I haven’t used Advanced, but many do and have. Someone else will likely comment on that.

Hope that helps.
For soil I’d have the same rankings but put GeoFlora at the top and bump everyone else down one.
 
For soil I’d have the same rankings but put GeoFlora at the top and bump everyone else down one.
@KeithLemon you highlighted a good point there. I feel that many are intimidated to enter the contests. I was at first. The competition is ridiculous and I go in every time sure I’m going to lose. But that’s just it. I had to forget about the outcome and just say hell, I worked my ass off on this and I like it a lot, so F it, I’m entering. Lol. Once you get over caring about the outcome and you enter every contest every month, it becomes different. The intimidation slips away. Then one day you look around and go, damn, we need more people to enter. Ha!
 
I have a little time but as I said this is all new to me. I have only used AN and PB. and I want to keep it simple. Like everything else in my grow.
Well, if you already have some AN on hand and can access it, and you’ve used it before and were happy with the results, maybe that’s the easiest solution?
 
@KeithLemon you highlighted a good point there. I feel that many are intimidated to enter the contests. I was at first. The competition is ridiculous and I go in every time sure I’m going to lose. But that’s just it. I had to forget about the outcome and just say hell, I worked my ass off on this and I like it a lot, so F it, I’m entering. Lol. Once you get over caring about the outcome and you enter every contest every month, it becomes different. The intimidation slips away. Then one day you look around and go, damn, we need more people to enter. Ha!
The plants I entered had no chance of winning, but I still entered because you have to start somewhere.
 
I have a little time but as I said this is all new to me. I have only used AN and PB. and I want to keep it simple. Like everything else in my grow.
Btw - for chem nutes, it doesn’t get a whole lot easier than Blue Planet. It’s a simple three ingredient easy mix. That’s it. And they’re very competent nutes. I flowered with them years last grow when I was out of PB (and put in my last order, who knew?) and was pleased with the results..
 
Btw - for chem nutes, it doesn’t get a whole lot easier than Blue Planet. It’s a simple three ingredient easy mix. That’s it. And they’re very competent nutes. I flowered with them years last grow when I was out of PB (and put in my last order, who knew?) and was pleased with the results..
I just checked Blue Planet out and yes you do not get easier than that. The price is not bad either.
 
Sombrero Training Primer
@NickHardy


Hey Nick - so I have some time tonight and figured I’d do this Sombrero training thing for you, since you’ve already started.

First, the concept:
The idea is to get either two or four gigantic mains up the middle with a full, many cola, ring around the lower part using the nodes below the topping. This allows for a ton of stem under the two or four mains, thus making those colas huge. At the same time you have a nice fat ring of buds down low. The first obvious question is, don’t the center colas rob all the light from the ring? They don’t if it’s done right. You gotta pull out the ring as wide as you can. That way with the light shining down on the plant, the light sees the mains and it sees the ring. No blockage. What happens is, while the central mains are growing out, the lower ring is too. It’s also side branching for you. In a perfect world, the lower ring buds end up about right up to the bottom of the upper buds and the whole plant looks like one unit.

The process is the same for photos or autos, with one important difference. With photos, you have as much time as you choose. So you can start on any node you want. With autos, you are fighting their flower fuse. So you have to begin asap. This will become clear, but using this method with autos you don’t take any lower nodes off - you will use them to make the lower ring. So you keep nodes one two and three and make the ring from them.

The Process:

I’ll present the steps as if we were talking autos. For photos, it’s exactly the same but top the main stem wherever you want and follow the same process.

1. Let the plant grow unfettered and untouched until the 3rd node is up. At that point begin spreading out the branches from the lower nodes. Use skewers and wire, or whatever you use to spread a branch. Continue spreading daily, obviously as evenly around as possible.
2. When the 5th node is out, top the main stem above node four.
3. At the same time, now those lower branches should have enough going on to top them as well. Top each of the six branches you get from nodes 1,2 and 3. You now have 12 mains for the lower ring. That’s plenty. Side branching will give you more and you can increase the number of ring colas as you see fit. For a photo I’d go super wide and top the shit out of everything, lol. With autos I stop at those 12 and let the side branching take care of it.
4. As the new growth develops on the branches you’re pulling wide, do not take it. Let it grow. Later on you will selectively remove what you don’t want and keep what you like. This growth will become the “fill in” buds that will make the lower ring more like a canopy. Those buds can all be taken if you want just the ring with no middle growth. I do it that way sometimes. The advantage there is your outer ring colas will be bigger in proportion to how much of the center new growth you remove. In that case you just keep the middle clean, like so clean you could water down the middle of you wanted.
5. You will never touch the two or four upper mains. They just grow and grow and will likely need support later. If you want Dual Sombrero, top the main once. For Quad Sombrero, there are two ways,
a. Use the node right below the topping to make the third and fourth main
b. Top the main then top those again.
I prefer the first method.
6. Keep the lower ring as even as you possibly can at all times. When the stretch hits you want that ring to be as close to perfectly horizontal as possible and so even you could use it as a level. The idea there is that it increases your odds of getting an even growth ring. You’ll have to fight the dominant colas a little to keep them even but it’s easy. Just takes attention.

That’s pretty much it. It’s as easy as it gets. When it’s all done it will look something like a Sombrero, thus the name.

Here’s some examples:

First let’s look at my current Apple FritterAuto. She is done Quad Sombrero. I used the node below the topping to be main 3 and 4. The lower ring is made from the first three sets of side branches. In this particular case I decided to leave the lower ring at just those six with no secondary lower branch topping. It’s an experiment to see how the yield compares using this method at its most minimalistic. But same thing, just fewer outer colas. In this close and far view, you can see the evenness of the lower ring, the cleanliness inside, and the four mains up the middle. All you have to do to see the rest is project a little, lol.


Here is my personal record auto (13.8 ounces jarred), a Watermelon Wedding Cake XXL auto like what I have going now. This was grown in coco and water and trained Dual Sombrero. In this picture you can see what happens to the lower ring by the end.


Here’s an outdoor photo grown Dual Sombrero. Photos outside fill in way faster and get way taller and you end up with something like this.


So as you can see, this method can yield big. But it’s gotta not be a squat indica. Hybrids (50/50 or sativa leaning) or sativas only.

It yields, it’s simple, and it looks cool as hell. What’s the downside?

Well, there’s a few. It works outside or with bar lights. I wouldn’t use it with a center mount light like a quad board or something. You also need space (vertical). And you can’t combine using this method with a canopy method in the same tent. But those are about it.

It’s not as if this is some radical method I invented. Lol. It’s just lazy man’s training that works well. I am 100% certain it’s been being done for years, and I take no credit for inventing it. Maybe for naming it though….

I think this is fairly thorough. Any questions now or later just ask! Hope it helps. Good luck!!
 
Pink Rozay

Just look at how much beautiful growth we expose just by taking a few leaves!

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Apple Fritter
@KeithLemon


Interesting thing about this girl. Note the center of the plant and the stem. I didn’t clean anything out in there. There was nothing TO clean out. Keith’s photo version of this strain seems to have better internodal spacing and much more interior growth and side branching. While this doesn’t speak particularly well to my auto’s internodal spacing, it does mean (most likely) that there will be a large focus of her energy on just the colas. But there is one thing I haven’t encountered before - note the top. I’ve never had the stems/colas from the node below the topping (mains 3 and 4 - 1 and 2 are the two from the topping) overtake the stems from the topping. But that appears to be what we have going on here. You can also see how every pair of stems from a node has a dominant stem (we will stop short of referring to the other one as ‘recessive,’ lol). At this point with this girl and the Pink Rozay, the cards have been dealt, we are just waiting on the reveal.

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Garden Feed Update

Couple things of note.

1. All the plants are on the same feed.
2. I ran out of Prescription Blend yesterday, so starting today all plants have switched to Remo.
3. I am using as my base mix weeks 1-4 of the Remo flower chart.
4. I mix in 5-gallon buckets. Remo at this point wants 8 ml of each ingredient per gallon. That means I’d need 40 ml in each 5-gallon mix of each ingredient.
5. I am measuring intentionally with a tbsp. It’s fast and easy. One tbsp. = 15 ml. So rather than mess around, in each 5-gallon mix I am using 3 tbsp of each ingredient, ie, 45 ml instead of 40. That spreads the extra 5 ml each around 5 gallons, so overall it only makes the mix a touch hotter.
6. Remo has more Calmag in it than Prescription Blend. Therefore I have lowered the initial Calmag I put in the 5-gallon mix. I was using 30 ml per 5-gallon bucket with the PB. I have lowered that to one tbsp, ie, 15 ml., and then a small shot by eye in the tbsp additionally, so total maybe 20-22 ml.

That’s about it. Unless someone has an extra bottle of Bio-Si. Lol!
 
Musings of a High Person
;)

I love growing for so many reasons. Growing requires many qualities that I strive to have as a human being independent of growing. Patience. Commitment. Creativity. Work Ethic. Etc, etc. On top of that I feel much more connected to the Earth when I grow. Growing has also given me a respect for the farmers of the world that I didn’t necessarily have previously. They make the world go more so than any other group and they work like dogs to feed us. And one of my favorites is that growing is teaching me how to speak plant.

What did I do for the first 55 years of my life? BUY weed? :rofl:

Thanks for playing along and entertaining my random musings. Blame it on the picture.

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Apple Fritter
@KeithLemon


Interesting thing about this girl. Note the center of the plant and the stem. I didn’t clean anything out in there. There was nothing TO clean out. Keith’s photo version of this strain seems to have better internodal spacing and much more interior growth and side branching. While this doesn’t speak particularly well to my auto’s internodal spacing, it does mean (most likely) that there will be a large focus of her energy on just the colas. But there is one thing I haven’t encountered before - note the top. I’ve never had the stems/colas from the node below the topping (mains 3 and 4 - 1 and 2 are the two from the topping) overtake the stems from the topping. But that appears to be what we have going on here. You can also see how every pair of stems from a node has a dominant stem (we will stop short of referring to the other one as ‘recessive,’ lol). At this point with this girl and the Pink Rozay, the cards have been dealt, we are just waiting on the reveal.

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Jon your Apple Fritter looks Fantastic healthy and Happy.
 
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