Jon's Sneak It In Auto Grow

Platinum Mimosa Cookies XXL Auto
Day 13


It appears to my eye that we got two different phenos of this plant. Don’t the leaves on the one look much more indica and wide and roundish compared to the other?

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Platinum Mimosa Cookies XXL Auto

My little crab buddy is not just a prop. See how his claws are? Pretty close to 45 degrees. He’s my measuring stick to let me know when the plant has processed enough water and feed that its leaves come back up and pray at about a 45 degree angle and she’s ready for more. So in this picture we see that the plant is still working on it from a feed a few hours ago. Won’t be long. Before bed check she’ll be flying. Everything has a purpose. She’s at about horizontal to the floor right now, so 0 degrees. The upper leaves are beginning to rise back up. Eat!

I joke about the crab of course, but watching what the leaves do is honestly one way I asses when to feed in coco and in veg, crab prop or no crab prop. I never wait. Once they come back to pray they get fed again. That’s the whole point of growing in coco. Feed the crap out of them. You’re trying to simulate growing hydro in a neutral medium. As if they always have access to food. That’s why (imho), among other reasons, you never let coco get totally dry. I shoot for around 50% dry, sometimes less. It seems to my eyes that it’s around when the pot is 50% dry that they pray like madmen. So watching what the leaves do is a good way to assess that, as lifting the pot or whatever is hard to translate into an assessment that’s accurate.

The crab is for fun. He makes me smile.

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Hmmm. Interesting. But if they are praying it generally means they are max happy. Why not let them enjoy that state for as long as they want, and then when the leaves peak and start to drop,  then water to get them back to praying. Wouldn't that give you a longer growth cycle where they were max happy?

I don't grow in coco and you've obviously got it figured out pretty well, so I'm just trying to educate myself with that question.
 
Hmmm. Interesting. But if they are praying it generally means they are max happy. Why not let them enjoy that state for as long as they want, and then when the leaves peak and start to drop,  then water to get them back to praying. Wouldn't that give you a longer growth cycle where they were max happy?

I don't grow in coco and you've obviously got it figured out pretty well, so I'm just trying to educate myself with that question.
Good question @Azimuth - I would say you just verbalized the conventional wisdom. I don’t buy it. If the leaves are up they’re ready for more. That’s my theory and I’m sticking with it, lol. Does it waste a little bit of nutes? Probably. But I believe a steady supply of food is key and part of that equation is the water volume in the pot, ie, the extent to which the coco is wet. Part of why it works I think is due to how quick and responsive the plants are in coco. It takes a couple hours post watering at this point. Soon it will take minutes - maybe half an hour when they really are jamming.
 
Non - Prescription Blend Coco Additives
Ff Wholly Mackerel
FF Kelp Me Kelp You


I have found that these two products from Fox Farms work real well with the PB nute regimen. I call the Wholly Mackerel the “N-pumper,” and the Kelp Me Kelp You the “Smoother.”

You just saw me add the Wholly Mackerel to the Watermelon Wedding Cakes to bring their green up some. I fed them that for two days, discontinued today. It worked great - always does. Already you can see it greening back up, especially in the leaf veins. The product is only 3-1-0. I use it specifically as I just described as necessary and then if not I feed it maybe once every other week. By once I mean one day of feeding which becomes twice a day later on.

I use the Kelp Me Kelp You to simply maintain smooth and consistent growth. This product is only 0.5 - 0 - 0.5. You could add it every feed without issue. I feed it about once a week for most of veg. I feel it just fills in gaps. Smooths out the growth.

The Kelp Me Kelp You is OMRI listed for you organic freaks out there, lol. The Wholly Mackerel is just shy of that rating and I don’t think using it in organics would create “non-organic” weed. But some of you lovely organic guys are hyper about that, understandably so. I believe it would have a similar effect in soil growing as well.

I can’t say these guys would work the same way with other nute systems, but with Prescription Blend they are my secret weapons.

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Yup. Trying to figure out when to bring them in. I’m going to at least wait until the Pink Rozay and Apple Fritter are uppotted. I may just bring them in at that point. Or I wait til everyone is in flower, but since that’s going to come in stages I’m thinking sooner than later. What do you think @StoneOtter?
I think this is new water to swim in! My first thought was flower is the most productive way to use them but if someone doesn't try a veg side lighting we won't know what that brings!? Your call!
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Dirty Bird Genetics


When I first introduced NASC Beth had told me that NASC itself was working on their own line of genetics, which when unveiled will make them a great genetics only seeds seller who is also a breeder with their own line. Very cool and very ambitious.

This line is coming out very shortly, and it is called Dirty Bird Genetics.
Here’s a link to their website:

The girls will love this: it’s an all woman company!!! And having interacted at length with Beth, I can tell you these chicks are not messing around.

I have been fortunate enough that NASC is sponsoring one of my tents in the next grow. That tent will feature one Arjan’s Super Silver Haze, compliments of NASC, in a 15 gallon pot and using a 44” hula hoop screen and rotating scrog setup. To celebrate their impending drop and the official startup of DBG (like the way that rolls off the tongue), in another tent I will be growing out The Brunch S1. This is Dirty Bird Genetics’ very first ever offering which I got a pair of as freebies with a NASC order. Genetics are Peanut Butter Breath x Mimosa #8. If you go to their site you’ll find they are currently touting their first two strains, this one and one called Dirty Mimosa. Very professional website, very easy to navigate.

I’m a huge fan of Beth and the folks at NASC. The service is spectacular, the seeds come very quickly, and the ordering process is painfully simple. Lots of freebies and cool stickers, and the occasional surprise out of nowhere! Since they stock almost every breeder I use, I use NASC almost exclusively. Just today I ordered some Chocolopez photo seeds and some Apple and Banana photos (30%!), and got, among other freebies, a couple Emerald Fire OG auto seeds, which I’ve almost bought numerous times, lol.

Wishing Beth and Co. the best of luck and success with Dirty Bird Genetics. Very happy to have you guys here!

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Thanks Jon! Dirty Bird is the kind of co I like to buy from! And they're right up the street! Kinda! Those two choices sound like winners for my local outdoors!
Garden's beautiful Jon!
 
I think this is new water to swim in! My first thought was flower is the most productive way to use them but if someone doesn't try a veg side lighting we won't know what that brings!? Your call!

Thanks Jon! Dirty Bird is the kind of co I like to buy from! And they're right up the street! Kinda! Those two choices sound like winners for my local outdoors!
Garden's beautiful Jon!
Thanks @StoneOtter! Cool you are fairly close. The owner is Beth Mathieu, listed in the site. She also owns NASC - Dirty Bird is the.offshoot. She’s an awesome human being and also a grower of course. Im sure she’s an excellent grower even though I’ve never seen her stuff. Talking to her is like talking to @Emilya Green only unlike Emilya, Beth doesn’t know I know nothing. So she doesn’t even dumb it down for me like E will, and it becomes quickly apparent (to me at least, lol) that I’m out of my depth. Lol! I’m looking forward to growing out their flagship offering, that strain called theBrunch S1 I discussed a few posts back. And I’m totally in love with their logo.

To the side lighting, I have made a decision and I’m with you! I’m going to bring them into play as soon as the last two seedlings get uppotted. That’s a week, max, I would think. All the plants should still be in veg except maybe the Gorilla Zkittlez (I’m watching daily for pistils at this point, GZ was quick when I grew it the first time, like 68 days if memory serves). So we will get all of veg with two of them and the remainder of veg on the other six. More importantly, I made that decision because I figured I definitely wanted them in play for the stretches. Who knows when that’s going to start? Lol. So better to have them already in play and then we also get to see some 20/4 (gotta go to that for all when the first auto is done stretching) side light/top light action for a month or so in veg.

Yay, and thanks for following along and especially your excellent input!
 
Good question @Azimuth - I would say you just verbalized the conventional wisdom. I don’t buy it. If the leaves are up they’re ready for more. That’s my theory and I’m sticking with it, lol. Does it waste a little bit of nutes? Probably. But I believe a steady supply of food is key and part of that equation is the water volume in the pot, ie, the extent to which the coco is wet. Part of why it works I think is due to how quick and responsive the plants are in coco. It takes a couple hours post watering at this point. Soon it will take minutes - maybe half an hour when they really are jamming.
Also, just because the leaves aren’t praying does not mean they aren’t still max happy. They are. Even when they’re droopy right after a watering. The droop is simply part of their process. Even outdoor plants droop after a significant rain.
 
They’re very cool. I’ve seen similar built in to suitcases last few years.

I had to guess the link (its actually a link to your gmail (don’t worry it just takes anyone to their own email) but the Swedish labelling company?

I can’t even get buy in for coloured tape and bamboo skewers yet! Might be a few years down the line before we’re there!

I have been getting relentless spammed by Swedish industrial companies like that for the last three months. Lots have been hacked or something (not suggesting that is one) and I have a work link to there. All B2B stuff too.

Weird. As is sure I was subbed here.

Caught up a bit,

The crab is for fun. He makes me smile.
He made me smile too!
Ff Wholly Mackerel

As did this!

I’ll be in following now 🍿

Nick
 
They’re very cool. I’ve seen similar built in to suitcases last few years.

I had to guess the link (its actually a link to your gmail (don’t worry it just takes anyone to their own email) but the Swedish labelling company?

I can’t even get buy in for coloured tape and bamboo skewers yet! Might be a few years down the line before we’re there!

I have been getting relentless spammed by Swedish industrial companies like that for the last three months. Lots have been hacked or something (not suggesting that is one) and I have a work link to there. All B2B stuff too.

Weird. As is sure I was subbed here.

Caught up a bit,


He made me smile too!


As did this!

I’ll be in following now 🍿

Nick
Thanks @NickHardy - glad to have to popping in from time to time. I get it on your access, concerns, and getting spammed - sending links like that might not be the best idea, sorry. Appreciate your input! And damn, I checked it and it brings me right to the link. If you had to guess based on my email list it obviously doesn’t for everyone else. Way to find it though, considering where it was, haha. I don’t want that.

It is the Maximum Yield thread - it’s the only product based thread I read, and the only one that presents info not necessarily designed to sell shit. (This one aside, lol). It’s put out by Fohse, who makes the lights I dream about being able to afford. Oh well. Now you know if you’re ever interested.
 
Subbed!

No not worried about that - you just sent the link from within or gmail so I had to read a bit pf the link!

I did do a double take though! I was like huh! Does Jon also work with X!

Perfectly safe to send - its just a link to Gmail though.

Re: the dropping praying I read someone saying praying was bad the other day I’m sure.

I have no particular view. If they’re drooping anytime of the grow they’re getting watered! Of they’re praying in flower they’re getting watered anyway - but we’re a pure coco and too many to individually water so everything gets to run off. We’re wasting some nutes for sure. Especially as 3 strains at a time with different requirements.

But! Buuuut!

That photo with totally horizontal leaves and her little guardian is a beautiful plant and a beautiful shot…

Photo of the… ?

Nick
 
Subbed!

No not worried about that - you just sent the link from within or gmail so I had to read a bit pf the link!

I did do a double take though! I was like huh! Does Jon also work with X!

Perfectly safe to send - its just a link to Gmail though.

Re: the dropping praying I read someone saying praying was bad the other day I’m sure.

I have no particular view. If they’re drooping anytime of the grow they’re getting watered! Of they’re praying in flower they’re getting watered anyway - but we’re a pure coco and too many to individually water so everything gets to run off. We’re wasting some nutes for sure. Especially as 3 strains at a time with different requirements.

But! Buuuut!

That photo with totally horizontal leaves and her little guardian is a beautiful plant and a beautiful shot…

Photo of the… ?

Nick
Hey Nick - that picture is a Platinum Mimosa Cookies XXL auto from Growers Choice. Regarding the praying is bad assertion from someone else - imho they don’t know what they’re talking about. I got my info on praying from @Emilya Green, and I’d put her accuracy up against anyone’s. The basic concept is that when all factors are dialed in properly, the leaves should pray at approximately a 45 degree angle. I’m talking everything - soil, medium, nutes, watering, CO2, light - all of it. Outside you’ll see them pray harder than that, but indoors under LED I am very confident in this info, for what that’s worth, lol. If they pray less or have a hard time, something needs adjusting, very often less watering is the cure there. If they pray beyond 45 degrees something needs adjusting, almost always the distance to the light in that case. That’s the info I have and also what my experience strongly suggests is the case. Again, not arguing, just sharing my experience and being honest about something I believe belongs in the “myth” column.
 
I’m with you - the idea it was bad ai was like W to the T…. 😅

Dunno - was skimming some threads having a browse places that aren’t journals on the site! And saw it. And yeah - that’s crazy talk!

Or maybe it was specific end of life thing. But I fast skimming. But yeah never sorry to see it myself!

😂

Nick
 
Platinum Mimosa Cookies XXL Auto
Day 13


It appears to my eye that we got two different phenos of this plant. Don’t the leaves on the one look much more indica and wide and roundish compared to the other?

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Definitely look different to my eyes 👀. I’m growing some Sour G and one is very Sativa looking but the little ones not so much. CL🍀
 
Hi @Jon, I thought today when I was looking at the plants what if you used a system like the one I have hanging my @ViparSpectra KS5000 controller. This is how I have it done there and it could work great for your new project.
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What do you think?
Hi @Kanno26 - I appreciate you asking my opinion, thanks.
Well…I like the thought of detaching and removing the driver to create more vertical space. I’m all over that. However, there are two parts to having the driver remote like that:
1. Create vertical space
2. Get heat out of the tent!

So I like your deal with respect to #1, but the fact that it’s still inside the tent means it kinda fails on #2. See what I mean? What I did with the KS3000 was remove the driver and sit it right outside the tent on a table. Made it easy to access and work the dimmer and covered both my concerns.

Make sense?
 
Afternoon Check

Looks like the Wright Brothers experimental testing facility up in here! Fly girls, fly!! Note that the two Watermelon Wedding Cakes no longer have that off green color and are the same as the others pretty much now. If you zoom on the lower leaves of those two you can see how the green came in from the Wholly Mackerel treatment. It works great. It also works fast - you see it’s only been a few days. This is what I mean when I say how responsive the plants are in coco.

Also worthy of note is this - see the back row three plants? Check out their top leaves closest to that back door. See how they are higher up than the ones closer to the middle of the tent? This is due to the fact that where they sit is partially outside being directly under the LED bars. Those far sides of those plants are getting slightly less light than the near sides. The plants know where the sweet spot is. This is them trying to get there. It’s fascinating. Just like them following the sun outdoors. Love it.
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2x Watermelon Wedding Cake
Day 15
Maintenance Day


So both these girls got topped just now above the fourth node, both had their cotys and single first leaves trimmed off, and both are ready to make me a sweet canopy. In 15 days. Lmao. That gives me a month more at least to veg them out. This is the longest veg time I ever get with any autos I’ve grown.

At this point maybe we do have two different phenos, not sure. But one sure as hell is a LOT tighter than the other, even though the leaves are very similar looking. I’d be psyched if I got an indica pheno or even one more hybrid, as I’m guessing this tight plant may be. Every one I’ve ever grown has been a sativa all the way. Hmm…

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