Diatomacious
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That branch def looks better... hope she makes it through another fully lit day for you.
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You think she does too? Good, I was hoping you might feel that way. I mean, def not worse, right? I figure if she's not back in a week she's not coming back. Maybe less. We'll see. Looking at the rest of Phototown made me not feel so bad about it. Those girls are five badasses just itching to unleash their power.That branch def looks better... hope she makes it through another fully lit day for you.
They take a perfectly good regular weed plant that's photo and cross it with a strain that grows in cold, northern, and mountainous climates that buds quickly and has really low thc but can handle any amount of light because where it's from it gets light for 20+ hours a day for months on end. I believe it's called ruderalis. We would never want to do anything but maybe make one cup of tea from a half pound of ruderalis. But when they cross it with real weed, it keeps the qualities of the real weed and makes it so it can take any light cycle and is going to finish quickly - say in reality 65-115 days depending on the strain. I've researched auto strains some and have yet to see one even in a grow journal go past 115 but I'm sure some do. And the plants stay much smaller than they normally would compared to a photo of the same strain. Those are the potential upsides, depending on your grow desires. The universally accepted downside is that while the ruderalis lends those cool qualities to the real weed, it also takes thc content from it. So a photo of strain X might be a 28% thc potential seed, while an auto of the same strain will be significantly lower. That's why I researched to try and find three strains that commonly finished in the 20+ thc percentage range. The Cinderella Jack, Pineapple Express, and Gorilla Zkittlez all will. The Lemon most likely will not.So how the hell do they make an auto anyway? GMO?
The gang looks great my friend. Filling in nicely.Update from Autotown
Saturday Night Bud Porn Special
Strain Specific Pictures/Discussion
Day 48: 3 Cinderella Jacks, 1 Gorilla Zkittlez
Day 40: I Pineapple Express, 1 Lemon
Day 35: 2 Pineapple Express, 1 Lemon
Trying a slightly different approach with this post. This one is more strain/time specific, with pics of each.
Cinderella Jacks: CJ is a hybrid: Cinderella 99 x Jack Herer. If you google "world's strongest autoflower," this is what comes up. They have tested up to 26%! These are from Dutch Passion. All three of these are on Day 48, the first autos planted. All three have grown like sativas, as they are supposed to. All three supposedly take a long time to finish for autoflowers, like up to 13 weeks. They have a solid amount of side branching, although not as abundant as the Pineapple Express. All three of these plants appear to be the same phenotype. They're all three basically identical. They don't drink water as fast as any of the other strains and get watered less often than any of the others. They leaf back up after plucking very quickly and they are just beginning to frost up visibly. I have been plucking leaves covering bud sites for a long time now, and it's a never ending job. There must be some frosty something somewhere in there because these girls stink. My whole tent smells like them, the three of them overwhelm the odor from the Gorilla Zkittlez. They smell like Jack Herer. It's dank and lovely. The buds are very dense. These plants have zero issues with nutes, the love a ton of light, and the buds grow visibly every day and are going to be gigantic. They got nutes starting in the Dixie cups, and I approximated the FF Trio feeding schedule with them although adapted to an autoflower time frame. Basically I made a week five days for sake of the feeding schedule. All I did on them was LST with tying branches and tucking leaves and a bit of targeted defoliation. The went from Dixie cups to three gallon pots.
Pineapple Express: The weed from the movie. These are from 420 Fast Buds. They are a balanced hybrid which in the case of this company's genes equals Pineapple Trainwreck x Hawaiian. The grow like a balanced hybrid - big and bushy. The largest of my four strains by far. Incredible amount of side branching. Beautiful, light green plant. These are just starting to bud in the last couple days. They are going to yield big based on the pictures. Supposedly done in around 11 weeks, and up to 22% thc. Also no nute issues. Thirsty plant that needs water often. Also cannot have enough light. Also just LST, same as the CJs. So PE #1 in the picture is on Day 40, PE #2 and #3 are on Day 35. I believe PE #1 is a different phenotype than the other two. It has grown eight main branches/colas with minimal side branching. The leaves are shorter and fatter than the other two. And it colors up differently with wild greens/yellows, especially when the new growth is in process of turning green. PE #2 and #3 are basically identical as you can see in the pics. No smell from these plants yet whatsoever.
Gorilla Zkittlez: This plant is unreal. She is on Day 48. Barney's Farm was the breeder. A hybrid cross: Gorilla Glue x Zkittlez. Should come in around 23-24% thc. Her buds are huge. They grow very very quickly. The biggest one almost fills a 4"x 4'' screen spot. The buds grow visibly every day too. You can see in the picture how she sprouts these little white patches of new bud that for a split second looks like foxtails but over the course of a day becomes just part of the bigger bud. The plant is short. She never developed a lot of side branching but the branching that supports these buds got solid pretty quickly. She smells like fruity cotton candy, a cross of the blue kind and the pink kind. She is really beginning to generate frost now, it took a little while before the sugar leaves were starting to be as frosty as I'd like. She doesn't drink that much in budding, and was an average drinker in her veg cycle. This plant is supposed to be done in around 68 days and it appears she is going to be or very close. That gives me more than three weeks for her to just keep building these buds. There are purples and reds and light browns and several shades of green all over the place, this is a very attractive plant. The leaves around the buds are starting to turn purple too. The buds are WAY WAY DENSE.
Lemon: Two of these plants, one on Day 40 and one on Day 35. Company of origin omitted at moderator request. Pretty plant. Not a lot of side branching. Grows kind of like a Christmas tree, even the new growth comes down like that top to bottom, as you can see pretty well in the picture of Lemon #1. The two plants are identical. They are sort of average in every way. Nothing terribly special about the way they grow or their side branching or their number of bud sites. Supposedly done in 10 or 11 weeks, and I'll be lucky if she hits 20% thc, probably more like 18%. I don't normally grow lower thc plants like this but I had the freebie seeds and wanted the two to round out the nine plants. They do look like they will yield well, and the buds on the Lemons are building faster than any of the other plants except the Gorilla. She shoots a ton of white hairs up daily. These plants are sensitive to overwatering and take longer to bounce up from a watering than any of the other strains. The picture of Lemon #2 comes with my apologies as she was just watered and is droopy as a result. She'll perk back up in an hour or so. Didn't have any nute issues or otherwise, just kind of a boring plant, to be honest. But I'll smoke a couple ounces of her anyway. Lol.
So some of that info you can easily see yourself with research, but I tried to present the info as specific to how my plants are growing. On to Saturday night bud porn:
Photographs:
- The gang partying on a Saturday night with impunity
- Gorilla Zkittlez
- Cinderella Jack 3 bud closeup
- Cinderella Jack 2 bud closeup
- Pineapple Express 1 different pheno
- Pineapple Express 2
- Pineapple Express 3
- Lemon 1 just watered and looking a little droopy
- Lemon 2 showing "Christmas tree" looking growth pattern
- Tent conditions shot
Hope you guys are having a good time! Happy Growing.
Yeah, well, as usual, don't quote me on much, and if you do, do so at your own risk. Lol.Ah... use to hear about ruderalis back in the day but never tried to grow any... I think durban poison was one back then but it was a while ago.
Lol. Thanks @Bill284. I was wondering if you or @Emilya or @Virgin Ground or @Backlipslide or @Michael Hunt or @Diatomacious or @LizardMate or @Bud love or @Farmer Reading or @Ivumlov (or anyone else I didn't list here, nothing personal and thanks for any input you have...) know anything useful about phenotypes? If you have a minute and wouldn't mind taking a look at those Pineapple Express pictures I'd appreciate it. You'll see how different the first one is compared to the other two. It scarcely looks like the same strain. No problem and I'm not worried at all about it, just very curious. Is it normal for two different phenos of the same strain to be THAT different? The other two sure look pretty identical to my inexperienced eye, I'd bet on them being the same pheno. I have slight differences in Phototown, but nothing close to this, and even my first grow, six plants of the same strain and three distinctly different phenos, the differences weren't vast like this. Just enough to call it a different pheno. And if it's not normal got any idea why this happens? Obviously one easy answer is "genetics," but that's a bit vague if you have anything more. Lol.The gang looks great my friend. Filling in nicely.I
Must have been a good party.
Bill
Thanks LM! Appreciate any input you might have on autos in particular if you have anything, always, just FYI. Thanks for stopping in.Gardens taking shape nicely Jon
I looked at pics 5 and 6 I think? I see slim leaves and bushy ones but not 100% sure which are which.Lol. Thanks @Bill284. I was wondering if you or @Emilya or @Virgin Ground or @Backlipslide or @Michael Hunt or @Diatomacious or @LizardMate or @Bud love or @Farmer Reading or @Ivumlov (or anyone else I didn't list here, nothing personal and thanks for any input you have...) know anything useful about phenotypes? If you have a minute and wouldn't mind taking a look at those Pineapple Express pictures I'd appreciate it. You'll see how different the first one is compared to the other two. It scarcely looks like the same strain. No problem and I'm not worried at all about it, just very curious. Is it normal for two different phenos of the same strain to be THAT different? The other two sure look pretty identical to my inexperienced eye, I'd bet on them being the same pheno. I have slight differences in Phototown, but nothing close to this, and even my first grow, six plants of the same strain and three distinctly different phenos, the differences weren't vast like this. Just enough to call it a different pheno. And if it's not normal got any idea why this happens? Obviously one easy answer is "genetics," but that's a bit vague if you have anything more. Lol.
Thank y'all!!
Sisters rarely look the same... it's the same with MJ. That's why when you find a plant that ticks all your boxes you clone it for life.It scarcely looks like the same strain.
Exactly!I look forward to these actually, and sometimes you get a real surprise in the resulting bud, that happens to be a direct offshoot of a very good strain that happens to be the desired plant's great grandmother. They are extremely hard to capture and see ever again, so they are the rarest of rare in your cured stock cabinet.
Cool. Awesome. And yes. I'll try the attach multiple files function and see if that does anything different. Nope. Not giving me the function. Oh well. The pictures are in the order below.I looked at pics 5 and 6 I think? I see slim leaves and bushy ones but not 100% sure which are which.
I have clones from same mom jher, that have completely different colas. So its not uncommon from what I've seen to get such different phenos. Can you post a side by side so we can tell which you are asking about?
Bill
Thanks for the detailed response I! Yeah I have zero stress about it. I am simply fascinated. Perhaps a bit obsessed. So I did an experiment on that pheno. I took a chance on some very late LST with her to see what happens. I'm having a blast with these autos. And thanks for the kind words!I think everyone is on-point here. Phenos are siblings and can have a huge variance just like in all species not to mention handling/processing from the seed bank (all sorts of things can happen along the supply chain).
I think this is generally as consistent as when you think about brothers and sisters in humans; most will have some physical characteristics in common but often you can't tell they are related at all. Try not to focus too much on that and look at it like Forest Gump did with the whole "... life is a box of chocolate's" motto. Sometimes it will be special, sometimes not by but most of the time it should be in the mainstream of your expectations.
I thought my Northern Lights was going to look a certain way but it turned out completely different so give your plants the best conditions possible and marvel at your end result!
You definately want to use some engineering to ensure the best conditions for your drying and curing as this time is just as critical as others when it comes to your final product quality. You want to avoid wide swings of temperature and humidity so try to do your best to keep things stable during those 2 weeks.
Great job on the grow!
Gotcha on the drying/curing. I'm very happy with my methodology for that as an integrated whole. The autos that finish first will just have to dry in the McGuyver cabinet cheapie thingie I'm adapting. They'll be fine. All the long finishing autos (which will likely be the best with the biggest yeilds) will dry in the tent. That'll be (likely, based on breeder stats) the Cinderella Jacks and Pineapple Expresses. If I can dry those six in the tent I'll be very very happy.I think everyone is on-point here. Phenos are siblings and can have a huge variance just like in all species not to mention handling/processing from the seed bank (all sorts of things can happen along the supply chain).
I think this is generally as consistent as when you think about brothers and sisters in humans; most will have some physical characteristics in common but often you can't tell they are related at all. Try not to focus too much on that and look at it like Forest Gump did with the whole "... life is a box of chocolate's" motto. Sometimes it will be special, sometimes not by but most of the time it should be in the mainstream of your expectations.
I thought my Northern Lights was going to look a certain way but it turned out completely different so give your plants the best conditions possible and marvel at your end result!
You definately want to use some engineering to ensure the best conditions for your drying and curing as this time is just as critical as others when it comes to your final product quality. You want to avoid wide swings of temperature and humidity so try to do your best to keep things stable during those 2 weeks.
Great job on the grow!