Jon's Second Grow, First Grow Journal, Soil Grow Autos & Photoperiod

That branch def looks better... hope she makes it through another fully lit day for you. :goodluck:
You think she does too? Good, I was hoping you might feel that way. I mean, def not worse, right? I figure if she's not back in a week she's not coming back. Maybe less. We'll see. Looking at the rest of Phototown made me not feel so bad about it. Those girls are five badasses just itching to unleash their power.
 
Infrastructure Update

Problem:

One of my unfortunate necessities is that the only room I can use to hang and dry my weed at harvest is in the garage. Nowhere in the house is acceptable. The garage is too hot and too light for drying. No problem, I use the tents. Just gotta harvest the whole tent at the same time. Which is why I picked three strains with the help of Humboldt Seed Company for the photo grow that all grow similarly, and all have identical flowering times. That tent will be close enough to harvest at the same time and I'll use that tent to dry. But the autoflowers present a problem. There's no possible way they finish together. The Gorilla will undoubtably be first. I have no idea who will be ready after that. I'm going to talk about strain specific stuff in the upcoming Autotown post, but I wanted that post to be all bud porn not boring infrastructure pics. So where am I going to dry the autos that are ready first?

Solution:
$35 poor man's portable clothes closet that closes, seals, and is light tight. See the pics. I will put a fan or two on the bottom shelves. I will then extend the exhaust hose from the Gorilla tent, insulate it, and run it across the top of the Gorilla tent (right now it comes out and down on the wall side to the right of what you see in the pic) and down into the top of the closet. I'll cut a hole to run it into the canvas ceiling of the closet and seal it up with duct tape. That'll give me a space in the garage that is cool, dark, has moving air, and will dry at the humidity level of our house, minus a few points for the air conditioned air. It will be PLENTY good enough. I feel like McGuyver.

Pics -

Closet open
Closet closed

dry closet open.jpg


dry closet closed.jpg
 
Update from Autotown
Saturday Night Bud Porn Special
Strain Specific Pictures/Discussion
Day 48: 3 Cinderella Jacks, 1 Gorilla Zkittlez
Day 40: I Pineapple Express, 1 Lemon
Day 35: 2 Pineapple Express, 1 Lemon


Trying a slightly different approach with this post. This one is more strain/time specific, with pics of each.

Cinderella Jacks: CJ is a hybrid: Cinderella 99 x Jack Herer. If you google "world's strongest autoflower," this is what comes up. They have tested up to 26%! These are from Dutch Passion. All three of these are on Day 48, the first autos planted. All three have grown like sativas, as they are supposed to. All three supposedly take a long time to finish for autoflowers, like up to 13 weeks. They have a solid amount of side branching, although not as abundant as the Pineapple Express. All three of these plants appear to be the same phenotype. They're all three basically identical. They don't drink water as fast as any of the other strains and get watered less often than any of the others. They leaf back up after plucking very quickly and they are just beginning to frost up visibly. I have been plucking leaves covering bud sites for a long time now, and it's a never ending job. There must be some frosty something somewhere in there because these girls stink. My whole tent smells like them, the three of them overwhelm the odor from the Gorilla Zkittlez. They smell like Jack Herer. It's dank and lovely. The buds are very dense. These plants have zero issues with nutes, the love a ton of light, and the buds grow visibly every day and are going to be gigantic. They got nutes starting in the Dixie cups, and I approximated the FF Trio feeding schedule with them although adapted to an autoflower time frame. Basically I made a week five days for sake of the feeding schedule. All I did on them was LST with tying branches and tucking leaves and a bit of targeted defoliation. The went from Dixie cups to three gallon pots.

Pineapple Express:
The weed from the movie. These are from 420 Fast Buds. They are a balanced hybrid which in the case of this company's genes equals Pineapple Trainwreck x Hawaiian. The grow like a balanced hybrid - big and bushy. The largest of my four strains by far. Incredible amount of side branching. Beautiful, light green plant. These are just starting to bud in the last couple days. They are going to yield big based on the pictures. Supposedly done in around 11 weeks, and up to 22% thc. Also no nute issues. Thirsty plant that needs water often. Also cannot have enough light. Also just LST, same as the CJs. So PE #1 in the picture is on Day 40, PE #2 and #3 are on Day 35. I believe PE #1 is a different phenotype than the other two. It has grown eight main branches/colas with minimal side branching. The leaves are shorter and fatter than the other two. And it colors up differently with wild greens/yellows, especially when the new growth is in process of turning green. PE #2 and #3 are basically identical as you can see in the pics. No smell from these plants yet whatsoever.

Gorilla Zkittlez:
This plant is unreal. She is on Day 48. Barney's Farm was the breeder. A hybrid cross: Gorilla Glue x Zkittlez. Should come in around 23-24% thc. Her buds are huge. They grow very very quickly. The biggest one almost fills a 4"x 4'' screen spot. The buds grow visibly every day too. You can see in the picture how she sprouts these little white patches of new bud that for a split second looks like foxtails but over the course of a day becomes just part of the bigger bud. The plant is short. She never developed a lot of side branching but the branching that supports these buds got solid pretty quickly. She smells like fruity cotton candy, a cross of the blue kind and the pink kind. She is really beginning to generate frost now, it took a little while before the sugar leaves were starting to be as frosty as I'd like. She doesn't drink that much in budding, and was an average drinker in her veg cycle. This plant is supposed to be done in around 68 days and it appears she is going to be or very close. That gives me more than three weeks for her to just keep building these buds. There are purples and reds and light browns and several shades of green all over the place, this is a very attractive plant. The leaves around the buds are starting to turn purple too. The buds are WAY WAY DENSE.

Lemon:
Two of these plants, one on Day 40 and one on Day 35. Company of origin omitted at moderator request. Pretty plant. Not a lot of side branching. Grows kind of like a Christmas tree, even the new growth comes down like that top to bottom, as you can see pretty well in the picture of Lemon #1. The two plants are identical. They are sort of average in every way. Nothing terribly special about the way they grow or their side branching or their number of bud sites. Supposedly done in 10 or 11 weeks, and I'll be lucky if she hits 20% thc, probably more like 18%. I don't normally grow lower thc plants like this but I had the freebie seeds and wanted the two to round out the nine plants. They do look like they will yield well, and the buds on the Lemons are building faster than any of the other plants except the Gorilla. She shoots a ton of white hairs up daily. These plants are sensitive to overwatering and take longer to bounce up from a watering than any of the other strains. The picture of Lemon #2 comes with my apologies as she was just watered and is droopy as a result. She'll perk back up in an hour or so. Didn't have any nute issues or otherwise, just kind of a boring plant, to be honest. But I'll smoke a couple ounces of her anyway. Lol.

So some of that info you can easily see yourself with research, but I tried to present the info as specific to how my plants are growing. On to Saturday night bud porn:

Photographs:

- The gang partying on a Saturday night with impunity
- Gorilla Zkittlez
- Cinderella Jack 3 bud closeup
- Cinderella Jack 2 bud closeup
- Pineapple Express 1 different pheno
- Pineapple Express 2
- Pineapple Express 3
- Lemon 1 just watered and looking a little droopy
- Lemon 2 showing "Christmas tree" looking growth pattern
- Tent conditions shot

Hope you guys are having a good time! Happy Growing.

Saturday night party.jpg


gorilla packing it on.jpg


cj 3 close bud.jpg


cj 2 close bud.jpg


pe 1 pheno.jpg


pe 2 sky.jpg


pe 3 sky.jpg


lemon 1 just watered.jpg


lemon 2 christmas.jpg


Conditions.jpg
 
So how the hell do they make an auto anyway? GMO?
They take a perfectly good regular weed plant that's photo and cross it with a strain that grows in cold, northern, and mountainous climates that buds quickly and has really low thc but can handle any amount of light because where it's from it gets light for 20+ hours a day for months on end. I believe it's called ruderalis. We would never want to do anything but maybe make one cup of tea from a half pound of ruderalis. But when they cross it with real weed, it keeps the qualities of the real weed and makes it so it can take any light cycle and is going to finish quickly - say in reality 65-115 days depending on the strain. I've researched auto strains some and have yet to see one even in a grow journal go past 115 but I'm sure some do. And the plants stay much smaller than they normally would compared to a photo of the same strain. Those are the potential upsides, depending on your grow desires. The universally accepted downside is that while the ruderalis lends those cool qualities to the real weed, it also takes thc content from it. So a photo of strain X might be a 28% thc potential seed, while an auto of the same strain will be significantly lower. That's why I researched to try and find three strains that commonly finished in the 20+ thc percentage range. The Cinderella Jack, Pineapple Express, and Gorilla Zkittlez all will. The Lemon most likely will not.

That's what I *think* I can tell you with reasonable accuracy.

Lol.
 
Update from Autotown
Saturday Night Bud Porn Special
Strain Specific Pictures/Discussion
Day 48: 3 Cinderella Jacks, 1 Gorilla Zkittlez
Day 40: I Pineapple Express, 1 Lemon
Day 35: 2 Pineapple Express, 1 Lemon


Trying a slightly different approach with this post. This one is more strain/time specific, with pics of each.

Cinderella Jacks: CJ is a hybrid: Cinderella 99 x Jack Herer. If you google "world's strongest autoflower," this is what comes up. They have tested up to 26%! These are from Dutch Passion. All three of these are on Day 48, the first autos planted. All three have grown like sativas, as they are supposed to. All three supposedly take a long time to finish for autoflowers, like up to 13 weeks. They have a solid amount of side branching, although not as abundant as the Pineapple Express. All three of these plants appear to be the same phenotype. They're all three basically identical. They don't drink water as fast as any of the other strains and get watered less often than any of the others. They leaf back up after plucking very quickly and they are just beginning to frost up visibly. I have been plucking leaves covering bud sites for a long time now, and it's a never ending job. There must be some frosty something somewhere in there because these girls stink. My whole tent smells like them, the three of them overwhelm the odor from the Gorilla Zkittlez. They smell like Jack Herer. It's dank and lovely. The buds are very dense. These plants have zero issues with nutes, the love a ton of light, and the buds grow visibly every day and are going to be gigantic. They got nutes starting in the Dixie cups, and I approximated the FF Trio feeding schedule with them although adapted to an autoflower time frame. Basically I made a week five days for sake of the feeding schedule. All I did on them was LST with tying branches and tucking leaves and a bit of targeted defoliation. The went from Dixie cups to three gallon pots.

Pineapple Express: The weed from the movie. These are from 420 Fast Buds. They are a balanced hybrid which in the case of this company's genes equals Pineapple Trainwreck x Hawaiian. The grow like a balanced hybrid - big and bushy. The largest of my four strains by far. Incredible amount of side branching. Beautiful, light green plant. These are just starting to bud in the last couple days. They are going to yield big based on the pictures. Supposedly done in around 11 weeks, and up to 22% thc. Also no nute issues. Thirsty plant that needs water often. Also cannot have enough light. Also just LST, same as the CJs. So PE #1 in the picture is on Day 40, PE #2 and #3 are on Day 35. I believe PE #1 is a different phenotype than the other two. It has grown eight main branches/colas with minimal side branching. The leaves are shorter and fatter than the other two. And it colors up differently with wild greens/yellows, especially when the new growth is in process of turning green. PE #2 and #3 are basically identical as you can see in the pics. No smell from these plants yet whatsoever.

Gorilla Zkittlez: This plant is unreal. She is on Day 48. Barney's Farm was the breeder. A hybrid cross: Gorilla Glue x Zkittlez. Should come in around 23-24% thc. Her buds are huge. They grow very very quickly. The biggest one almost fills a 4"x 4'' screen spot. The buds grow visibly every day too. You can see in the picture how she sprouts these little white patches of new bud that for a split second looks like foxtails but over the course of a day becomes just part of the bigger bud. The plant is short. She never developed a lot of side branching but the branching that supports these buds got solid pretty quickly. She smells like fruity cotton candy, a cross of the blue kind and the pink kind. She is really beginning to generate frost now, it took a little while before the sugar leaves were starting to be as frosty as I'd like. She doesn't drink that much in budding, and was an average drinker in her veg cycle. This plant is supposed to be done in around 68 days and it appears she is going to be or very close. That gives me more than three weeks for her to just keep building these buds. There are purples and reds and light browns and several shades of green all over the place, this is a very attractive plant. The leaves around the buds are starting to turn purple too. The buds are WAY WAY DENSE.

Lemon: Two of these plants, one on Day 40 and one on Day 35. Company of origin omitted at moderator request. Pretty plant. Not a lot of side branching. Grows kind of like a Christmas tree, even the new growth comes down like that top to bottom, as you can see pretty well in the picture of Lemon #1. The two plants are identical. They are sort of average in every way. Nothing terribly special about the way they grow or their side branching or their number of bud sites. Supposedly done in 10 or 11 weeks, and I'll be lucky if she hits 20% thc, probably more like 18%. I don't normally grow lower thc plants like this but I had the freebie seeds and wanted the two to round out the nine plants. They do look like they will yield well, and the buds on the Lemons are building faster than any of the other plants except the Gorilla. She shoots a ton of white hairs up daily. These plants are sensitive to overwatering and take longer to bounce up from a watering than any of the other strains. The picture of Lemon #2 comes with my apologies as she was just watered and is droopy as a result. She'll perk back up in an hour or so. Didn't have any nute issues or otherwise, just kind of a boring plant, to be honest. But I'll smoke a couple ounces of her anyway. Lol.

So some of that info you can easily see yourself with research, but I tried to present the info as specific to how my plants are growing. On to Saturday night bud porn:

Photographs:

- The gang partying on a Saturday night with impunity
- Gorilla Zkittlez
- Cinderella Jack 3 bud closeup
- Cinderella Jack 2 bud closeup
- Pineapple Express 1 different pheno
- Pineapple Express 2
- Pineapple Express 3
- Lemon 1 just watered and looking a little droopy
- Lemon 2 showing "Christmas tree" looking growth pattern
- Tent conditions shot

Hope you guys are having a good time! Happy Growing.

Saturday night party.jpg


gorilla packing it on.jpg


cj 3 close bud.jpg


cj 2 close bud.jpg


pe 1 pheno.jpg


pe 2 sky.jpg


pe 3 sky.jpg


lemon 1 just watered.jpg


lemon 2 christmas.jpg


Conditions.jpg
The gang looks great my friend. Filling in nicely.
Must have been a good party.
Bill
 
Ah... use to hear about ruderalis back in the day but never tried to grow any... I think durban poison was one back then but it was a while ago.
Yeah, well, as usual, don't quote me on much, and if you do, do so at your own risk. Lol.
 
The gang looks great my friend. Filling in nicely.I
Must have been a good party.
Bill
Lol. Thanks @Bill284. I was wondering if you or @Emilya or @Virgin Ground or @Backlipslide or @Michael Hunt or @Diatomacious or @LizardMate or @Bud love or @Farmer Reading or @Ivumlov (or anyone else I didn't list here, nothing personal and thanks for any input you have...) know anything useful about phenotypes? If you have a minute and wouldn't mind taking a look at those Pineapple Express pictures I'd appreciate it. You'll see how different the first one is compared to the other two. It scarcely looks like the same strain. No problem and I'm not worried at all about it, just very curious. Is it normal for two different phenos of the same strain to be THAT different? The other two sure look pretty identical to my inexperienced eye, I'd bet on them being the same pheno. I have slight differences in Phototown, but nothing close to this, and even my first grow, six plants of the same strain and three distinctly different phenos, the differences weren't vast like this. Just enough to call it a different pheno. And if it's not normal got any idea why this happens? Obviously one easy answer is "genetics," but that's a bit vague if you have anything more. Lol.

Thank y'all!!
 
Gardens taking shape nicely Jon
Thanks LM! Appreciate any input you might have on autos in particular if you have anything, always, just FYI. Thanks for stopping in.
 
Lol. Thanks @Bill284. I was wondering if you or @Emilya or @Virgin Ground or @Backlipslide or @Michael Hunt or @Diatomacious or @LizardMate or @Bud love or @Farmer Reading or @Ivumlov (or anyone else I didn't list here, nothing personal and thanks for any input you have...) know anything useful about phenotypes? If you have a minute and wouldn't mind taking a look at those Pineapple Express pictures I'd appreciate it. You'll see how different the first one is compared to the other two. It scarcely looks like the same strain. No problem and I'm not worried at all about it, just very curious. Is it normal for two different phenos of the same strain to be THAT different? The other two sure look pretty identical to my inexperienced eye, I'd bet on them being the same pheno. I have slight differences in Phototown, but nothing close to this, and even my first grow, six plants of the same strain and three distinctly different phenos, the differences weren't vast like this. Just enough to call it a different pheno. And if it's not normal got any idea why this happens? Obviously one easy answer is "genetics," but that's a bit vague if you have anything more. Lol.

Thank y'all!!
I looked at pics 5 and 6 I think? I see slim leaves and bushy ones but not 100% sure which are which.
I have clones from same mom jher, that have completely different colas. So its not uncommon from what I've seen to get such different phenos. Can you post a side by side so we can tell which you are asking about?
Bill
 
Few of these designer strains are stabilized like they were in the old days, so yes, it is very common to get about 20% that revert to other genetics in their family tree. I look forward to these actually, and sometimes you get a real surprise in the resulting bud, that happens to be a direct offshoot of a very good strain that happens to be the desired plant's great grandmother. They are extremely hard to capture and see ever again, so they are the rarest of rare in your cured stock cabinet. Sometimes they are a dud too... you never know till you get to smoke them. Enjoy!
 
It scarcely looks like the same strain.
Sisters rarely look the same... it's the same with MJ. That's why when you find a plant that ticks all your boxes you clone it for life. :passitleft:
I look forward to these actually, and sometimes you get a real surprise in the resulting bud, that happens to be a direct offshoot of a very good strain that happens to be the desired plant's great grandmother. They are extremely hard to capture and see ever again, so they are the rarest of rare in your cured stock cabinet.
Exactly!
 
I looked at pics 5 and 6 I think? I see slim leaves and bushy ones but not 100% sure which are which.
I have clones from same mom jher, that have completely different colas. So its not uncommon from what I've seen to get such different phenos. Can you post a side by side so we can tell which you are asking about?
Bill
Cool. Awesome. And yes. I'll try the attach multiple files function and see if that does anything different. Nope. Not giving me the function. Oh well. The pictures are in the order below.

Here you go: Weird Pheno 1, Identical 2, Identical 3

I'm saying 2 and 3 are the same and I is Pineapple Express too, but it's way different. No? Really just curious. And thanks again.

pe 1 pheno.jpg


pe 2 sky.jpg


pe 3 sky.jpg
 
Experimental Update in Autotown

So I figured if this weird Pineapple Express pheno is going to mess with me and develop fewer extra bud sites than the other two, I'm going to mess with her and MAKE her make me more buds. If I can. They say about autos to not really do any more LST once they begin to bud. Not sure why, other than that once they start to bud the branches start to get more "woody" pretty quickly and thus much more prone to breakage? Or so the bud sites can set? Anyway, the Pineapple Express weird phenotype discussed in the previous post now looks like the below pictures. She is JUST beginning to bud. Barely more than preflowering. And she had flexible tops still. So I said what the hell and did the below pictures. We'll see if it works. Looks like it will. And now I am officially done with LST.

If anyone with auto experience has an opinion (or anyone else) on potential outcomes here I'd love to hear you.

Experimental Late LST on PE pheno.jpg


Experimental Late LST on PE pheno 2.jpg
 
I think everyone is on-point here. Phenos are siblings and can have a huge variance just like in all species not to mention handling/processing from the seed bank (all sorts of things can happen along the supply chain).

I think this is generally as consistent as when you think about brothers and sisters in humans; most will have some physical characteristics in common but often you can't tell they are related at all. Try not to focus too much on that and look at it like Forest Gump did with the whole "... life is a box of chocolate's" motto. Sometimes it will be special, sometimes not by but most of the time it should be in the mainstream of your expectations.

I thought my Northern Lights was going to look a certain way but it turned out completely different so give your plants the best conditions possible and marvel at your end result!

You definately want to use some engineering to ensure the best conditions for your drying and curing as this time is just as critical as others when it comes to your final product quality. You want to avoid wide swings of temperature and humidity so try to do your best to keep things stable during those 2 weeks.

Great job on the grow!
 
I think everyone is on-point here. Phenos are siblings and can have a huge variance just like in all species not to mention handling/processing from the seed bank (all sorts of things can happen along the supply chain).

I think this is generally as consistent as when you think about brothers and sisters in humans; most will have some physical characteristics in common but often you can't tell they are related at all. Try not to focus too much on that and look at it like Forest Gump did with the whole "... life is a box of chocolate's" motto. Sometimes it will be special, sometimes not by but most of the time it should be in the mainstream of your expectations.

I thought my Northern Lights was going to look a certain way but it turned out completely different so give your plants the best conditions possible and marvel at your end result!

You definately want to use some engineering to ensure the best conditions for your drying and curing as this time is just as critical as others when it comes to your final product quality. You want to avoid wide swings of temperature and humidity so try to do your best to keep things stable during those 2 weeks.

Great job on the grow!
Thanks for the detailed response I! Yeah I have zero stress about it. I am simply fascinated. Perhaps a bit obsessed. So I did an experiment on that pheno. I took a chance on some very late LST with her to see what happens. I'm having a blast with these autos. And thanks for the kind words!
 
I think everyone is on-point here. Phenos are siblings and can have a huge variance just like in all species not to mention handling/processing from the seed bank (all sorts of things can happen along the supply chain).

I think this is generally as consistent as when you think about brothers and sisters in humans; most will have some physical characteristics in common but often you can't tell they are related at all. Try not to focus too much on that and look at it like Forest Gump did with the whole "... life is a box of chocolate's" motto. Sometimes it will be special, sometimes not by but most of the time it should be in the mainstream of your expectations.

I thought my Northern Lights was going to look a certain way but it turned out completely different so give your plants the best conditions possible and marvel at your end result!

You definately want to use some engineering to ensure the best conditions for your drying and curing as this time is just as critical as others when it comes to your final product quality. You want to avoid wide swings of temperature and humidity so try to do your best to keep things stable during those 2 weeks.

Great job on the grow!
Gotcha on the drying/curing. I'm very happy with my methodology for that as an integrated whole. The autos that finish first will just have to dry in the McGuyver cabinet cheapie thingie I'm adapting. They'll be fine. All the long finishing autos (which will likely be the best with the biggest yeilds) will dry in the tent. That'll be (likely, based on breeder stats) the Cinderella Jacks and Pineapple Expresses. If I can dry those six in the tent I'll be very very happy.
 
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