Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

InTheShed said:
I've never studied it but maybe point sources are unnatural and therefore more prone to disrupt the plant's cycle? I know @Smeegol grew big outside plants down the street from a streetlight.

Can't mention names. The guy from the horror movies.
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In for a penny...

Now I'm thinking of backing out of our bet. If it were true that lengthening light hours, but still short of 12, could overwhelm the flowering urge many growers in warm climates would, as you suggest, start their plants outdoors after December 21st. But we don't hear of anyone doing that under natural light.

Hmmm, who do I have to call to renegotiate the terms of the bet? I'd really prefer not to lose the house over this if it can be avoided. :cheesygrinsmiley: (Well, half a house 'cause I laid off part of it, but still.)
 
Azimuth said:
I'd really prefer not to lose the house over this if it can be avoided.
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I would never take your house even if you had laid it on the line Azi! :high-five:

The question (to which I don't have an actual answer), is whether a plant will go into flower as long as the days are getting longer, even if the daylight hours are less than 12. The ideal test would be to drop a seed on the winter solstice and put it outside after sprouting. It would need access to the full range of the sun at that latitude and remain unmoved. It would probably take 30-40 days to reach maturity (around now), and if it didn't show pistils by the early March I would say that that would be the way to grow the absolute biggest outside plant possible!
 
InTheShed said:
I would never take your house even if you had laid it on the line Azi! :high-five:

The question (to which I don't have an actual answer), is whether a plant will go into flower as long as the days are getting longer, even if the daylight hours are less than 12. The ideal test would be to drop a seed on the winter solstice and put it outside after sprouting. It would need access to the full range of the sun at that latitude and remain unmoved. It would probably take 30-40 days to reach maturity (around now), and if it didn't show pistils by the early March I would say that that would be the way to grow the absolute biggest outside plant possible!
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Is it warm enough where you are for you to give it a try?
 
Azimuth said:
Is it warm enough where you are for you to give it a try?
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Not by me. Nights can get into the very low 40s during winters here. Even the highs are often just in the low 60s, but when the sun's out I put the plants outside anyway because of the radiant heat.
 
Azimuth said:
But how about the steady light from an indicator button indoors?
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I believe I hermied my scrog on my second grow due to that. An indicator light on my dehumidifier I forgot to cover. That's why you see cardboard on the upper canopy fan on the apple blossom.
 
Jon said:
I believe I hermied my scrog on my second grow due to that. An indicator light on my dehumidifier I forgot to cover. That's why you see cardboard on the upper canopy fan on the apple blossom.
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It was a steady green light below the canopy in the middle of the four plants of the scrog. All of flower till about three weeks out when I discovered the entire thing was seedy.
 
Jon said:
It was a steady green light below the canopy in the middle of the four plants of the scrog. All of flower till about three weeks out when I discovered the entire thing was seedy.
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Interesting, since they say to use a green light if you need to work on your flowering plants after lights out. I thought it was because plants absorb everything but green which is why they look like they do to us. Apparently your experience suggests otherwise. :hmmmm:
 
I recall it was a pretty narrow wavelength of green (~530nm?), if it's a thing at all!
 
Azimuth said:
Interesting, since they say to use a green light if you need to work on your flowering plants after lights out. I thought it was because plants absorb everything but green which is why they look like they do to us. Apparently your experience suggests otherwise. :hmmmm:
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Well, honestly I just forgot to cover it, so I don't have a clue about green light and how it affects plants. All I know is that was the only light in the dark they had, and it started at the flip and was on every night overnight. So I'm "assuming" it was from that. I don't actually "know."
 
InTheShed said:
I recall it was a pretty narrow wavelength of green (~530nm?), if it's a thing at all!
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What does this mean? The pretty narrow wavelength of green does affect them or does not? I'm a little confused, sorry.
 
Sorry! I meant that from what I recall reading, the green that didn't disrupt the plants' dark time was in a very narrow range. But I can't verify the accuracy of the data from anything other than hearsay. Here for example on this site:

Green Lights And How Lights Effect Your Plants!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When light within a certain spectrum hits the surface of the plants chlorophyll receptors, it prompts a hormone called florigen to be produced. Another hormone named antiflorigen is produced by flowering...
www.420magazine.com
 
InTheShed said:
Sorry! I meant that from what I recall reading, the green that didn't disrupt the plants' dark time was in a very narrow range. But I can't verify the accuracy of the data from anything other than hearsay. Here for example on this site:

Green Lights And How Lights Effect Your Plants!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When light within a certain spectrum hits the surface of the plants chlorophyll receptors, it prompts a hormone called florigen to be produced. Another hormone named antiflorigen is produced by flowering...
www.420magazine.com
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Hmmm green does that.
 
InTheShed said:
Sorry! I meant that from what I recall reading, the green that didn't disrupt the plants' dark time was in a very narrow range. But I can't verify the accuracy of the data from anything other than hearsay. Here for example on this site:

Green Lights And How Lights Effect Your Plants!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When light within a certain spectrum hits the surface of the plants chlorophyll receptors, it prompts a hormone called florigen to be produced. Another hormone named antiflorigen is produced by flowering...
www.420magazine.com
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Ah.....thanks! That clarifies and helps. And also lends a little credence to the chance that having that light in there is what caused it. What are the odds the green on the dehumidifier was in that narrow range? I'd say slim to none and slim just left the building. Gracias Senor Shed.
 
Emilya said:
I would bet that it is the perfect MegaCrop green that is the most reflected and therefore ignored by the plants. :)
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"MegaCrop" green? I know I'm sort of green myself, but help me out here E before I make a fool of myself, please?
 
Jon said:
"MegaCrop" green? I know I'm sort of green myself, but help me out here E before I make a fool of myself, please?
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Their feeding instructions were to adjust until your plants exhibited the perfect megacrop green, and then they showed a picture of such a plant, which indeed was at the perfect green.... not too light and not a dark forest green either. I would like all of my plants to be this color, all the time.

So it makes sense to me that the perfect green would also be the perfect color to use for a night light. If that green was used for your light then very little of it could be absorbed into the plant, since that color especially is being reflected .
 
Emilya said:
Their feeding instructions were to adjust until your plants exhibited the perfect megacrop green, and then they showed a picture of such a plant, which indeed was at the perfect green.... not too light and not a dark forest green either. I would like all of my plants to be this color, all the time.

So it makes sense to me that the perfect green would also be the perfect color to use for a night light. If that green was used for your light then very little of it could be absorbed into the plant, since that color especially is being reflected .
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Wow. Well, if the dehumidifier was made by a company that knew and cared about all that, great. This was a cheapie Chinese product off the Zon. The green color of the light, in my opinion, is simply coincidental in this case. It isn't as if the dehumidifier was specifically designed for tents and growing weed. More like for bathrooms. Lol. Thanks for explaining though, all you old heads talk about MegaCrop almost lovingly at times it seems. Lol. I missed that boat.
 
Emilya said:
Some people are just lucky and somehow avoid sinking ships and landslides. Consider yourself blessed.
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Sounds like a long conversation to catch up on whatever that is....some other time. Lol!
 
Jon said:
Sounds like a long conversation to catch up on whatever that is....some other time. Lol!
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Good morning Jon, I missed a bit last night.
Did you decide what your doing?
And what are the Kolar panels no the outside wall or the house?

Stay safe
Bill
 
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