Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

Hey @StoneOtter, I have a head's up for you on the Dos Si Dos. I mentioned that the buds are beyond dense and rock rock hard. This is true, especially of the indica pheno. They're so big and dense and tight that it's almost impossible to mitigate all the moisture inside them. Especially if you have an indica pheno, once the buds start packing weight on, I would suggest you'd do well to have a dedicated fan on those buds. I already had one on these, and I also have been trimming the sugar leaves off from in between super tight together buds to try and mitigate moisture traps that way. Keep in mind the outside rh here is around 45%, shouldn't be an issue. The rig is covered at night so it doesn't ever get foggy. Point being, I've done everything humanly possible to try and avoid any bud rot on these buds, again especially the indica pheno.

Still wasn't enough. I noticed a large patch of red hairs that I thought was sunburn cuz it's right near the light and where I trimmed the cola down of sugar leaves. But it was SO red and the other buds were normal red hairs, so I checked closer, and sure enough, it was just the very beginning of bud rot. Apparently the hairs will turn ultra red before they begin to rot or mold. I took the cola, it was the only bud affected, and trimmed out the emerging but rot. You can see the little dark red straight hair looking things inside the bud where the rot is about to form, and it's also overly white in there, but not yet moldy in this case. I cut it down and trimmed it and separated the buds and here's a pic of what I saved. I lost about a third of the cola, no big deal, and it's a week early, okay whatever. I saved two or three grams of killer bud.

All I'm saying is they're impossibly dense buds so it might behoove you to pay extra attention to them when the time comes. I've never grown anything nearly this dense, and all my buds (I thought) were pretty dense. Lol. I'm actually glad I've gotten the little bit of rot on various buds of plants in this grow. I haven't hardly lost anything and so far have been able to catch it every time. I've gotten a lot better at recognizing the early signs of it, and at removing it without trashing stuff that doesn't need trashed.

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Oh my I love impossibly dense! Thanks for the heads up Jon! I'm ready for it! I fired up the dehuey last week already and we're looking at an rh of 40 or less unless it's raining out which is not the norm now. It looks like I have one pheno like that. The other is getting branches like main trunks so she's going to get heavy too I'm thinking. Winter is getting a hold on us so the rh should get down naturally soon as well. Do-si-dense yes!
 
I Hate to Repeat Myself, But......
Dos Si Dos #1 Partial Harvest
Four Tops - One from Each Autoflower


Well, so I moved the autos into the sun for the afternoon cuz it was nice and calm and clear. I figured I would get pics of each top to show you guys. So I did that, and those are the first four pictures. Lots of frost and color.

Then I took a closer look at the Dos Si Dos I had already taken one cola from. A REAL close look at all the buds. This is the plant with the purple top in the pictures I am referring to. I looked up underneath. Pulling them apart to see in between the little buds that make up the whole cola. Etc. And sure enough, I found a couple more instances of just barely beginning bud rot. No mold anywhere, just the beginning color change and those annoying little red lines in too light of green that all have to go. I hate those things.

That was It. No more messing around with this plant, the colas are simply too big and dense to not rot given my environment, which I obviously have no way to affect. The smaller buds seemed issue free. I took the tops, all except for the smallest one which seems to be okay. Then I wet trimmed and broke down all the buds from the colas. I had to dig in there to make sure I got the rot. You gotta dig deep. I thought I had it all a few times then I pulled the bud apart a bit more and shined my scope light into it and found more. It's insidious that crap. I separated basically every bud. Of those six huge tops I took I probably lost a total of one whole top, so maybe 18-20% loss. That was take no chances trimming them up loss, it could have been less if I wanted to risk losing these buds. So nothing I can't live with. I'm learning that managing loss is part of this game. I tend to get too upset about it, but that's fading fast. Getting used to it now, lol. No matter, this plant is still going to yield big, the buds are so heavy and dense it's incredible. We will let the remaining buds finish up as they should, maybe another 3-5 days. She was pretty close.

After that I did a hyper defol on all the autos, focusing primarily on the sugar leaves in between the buds where mold can build real easy, especially when you have sugar leaves that are thick with trichomes on the underneath side of the leaves. Something I noticed over the last couple days. Seems to be where the mold often starts.

So lots of fun with autos today. Should not have any more rot issues. The sativa DSDs are much smaller, albeit just as dense, buds. Much more sativa looking and should be just fine, as are the buds on the GZ. First time I grew the Gorilla I got the indica pheno and it looked like the Strawberry Bananas I just harvested, low and fat buds. This one is huge and tall and sativa all the way. Cool.

Pictures:

TOPS

- DSD 1
- DSD 2
- DSD 3
- GZ

Partial Harvest

- Plant after taking the tops
- Digging into a bud to get the mold and what it looks like when you get it cleaned out
- The six tops I ended up taking and busting apart and trimming now drying - big tray full of buds

4 tops dsd 1.jpg


4 tops dsd 2.jpg


4 tops dsd 3.jpg


4 tops GZ.jpg


partial harvest DSD 1.jpg


Digging in to the DSD for mold.jpg


What I took from DSD 1.jpg
 
I Hate to Repeat Myself, But......
Dos Si Dos #1 Partial Harvest
Four Tops - One from Each Autoflower


Well, so I moved the autos into the sun for the afternoon cuz it was nice and calm and clear. I figured I would get pics of each top to show you guys. So I did that, and those are the first four pictures. Lots of frost and color.

Then I took a closer look at the Dos Si Dos I had already taken one cola from. A REAL close look at all the buds. This is the plant with the purple top in the pictures I am referring to. I looked up underneath. Pulling them apart to see in between the little buds that make up the whole cola. Etc. And sure enough, I found a couple more instances of just barely beginning bud rot. No mold anywhere, just the beginning color change and those annoying little red lines in too light of green that all have to go. I hate those things.

That was It. No more messing around with this plant, the colas are simply too big and dense to not rot given my environment, which I obviously have no way to affect. The smaller buds seemed issue free. I took the tops, all except for the smallest one which seems to be okay. Then I wet trimmed and broke down all the buds from the colas. I had to dig in there to make sure I got the rot. You gotta dig deep. I thought I had it all a few times then I pulled the bud apart a bit more and shined my scope light into it and found more. It's insidious that crap. I separated basically every bud. Of those six huge tops I took I probably lost a total of one whole top, so maybe 18-20% loss. That was take no chances trimming them up loss, it could have been less if I wanted to risk losing these buds. So nothing I can't live with. I'm learning that managing loss is part of this game. I tend to get too upset about it, but that's fading fast. Getting used to it now, lol. No matter, this plant is still going to yield big, the buds are so heavy and dense it's incredible. We will let the remaining buds finish up as they should, maybe another 3-5 days. She was pretty close.

After that I did a hyper defol on all the autos, focusing primarily on the sugar leaves in between the buds where mold can build real easy, especially when you have sugar leaves that are thick with trichomes on the underneath side of the leaves. Something I noticed over the last couple days. Seems to be where the mold often starts.

So lots of fun with autos today. Should not have any more rot issues. The sativa DSDs are much smaller, albeit just as dense, buds. Much more sativa looking and should be just fine, as are the buds on the GZ. First time I grew the Gorilla I got the indica pheno and it looked like the Strawberry Bananas I just harvested, low and fat buds. This one is huge and tall and sativa all the way. Cool.

Pictures:

TOPS

- DSD 1
- DSD 2
- DSD 3
- GZ

Partial Harvest

- Plant after taking the tops
- Digging into a bud to get the mold and what it looks like when you get it cleaned out
- The six tops I ended up taking and busting apart and trimming now drying - big tray full of buds

4 tops dsd 1.jpg


4 tops dsd 2.jpg


4 tops dsd 3.jpg


4 tops GZ.jpg


partial harvest DSD 1.jpg


Digging in to the DSD for mold.jpg


What I took from DSD 1.jpg
But those buds you had to take? I know you are fighting the rot/mold … but damn they’re gorgeous!
 
35% rh this day and I'm trying to keep it there now!
I just cut down the buds even more and harvested the rest of the plant. Too dense. Too worried about rot. Even in the little ones there was a touch. I literally separated every single bud down to the individual buds, there are no colas or big buds left, BUT, they're all rot/mold free, there's a good three ounces easy still, (I probably lost an ounce total off the plant), and it smells amazing and is sticky as hell. Even when you break the buds down to their smallest increment, each little bud left is dense and legit. There was zero flarf on the indiica pheno. I can already see there will be a little bit on the sativa ones, but every bud on the indica pheno is legit. It's a double edged sword. If I grew it again I'd be hoping for the indica pheno cuz the buds are huge and so sweet, but unless you can consistently keep the Rh in the 30s I don't know that I would. The sativa ones are way easier to manage. Lol. Anyway, yeah man, keep that Rh as low as you possibly can. If you can stay in the 30s you should be okay. The average Rh outdoors for this plant's lifetime was about 45%, and that definitively didn't work. Lol again. Oh well. And who knows, yours could be totally different. I just want to let you know how mine are going to give you at least some MINIMAL reference point. Go for it man!!!!!!

(220 grams wet trimmed - I'll end up with maybe half that, around 110 grams - almost a QP from her with still losing at least an ounce maybe an ounce and half - very generously yielding auto)
 
Hi @Bill284. Merry Christmas! Here's your Christmas Eve Coco Girls update.

Let's see, it's day 21 of flower. Stretch is finally over. The Dos Si Dos stretched for almost three weeks. I just had to raise the light on account of her. My light has never seen the stratosphere it's in before. It's talking to my carbon filter and exhaust fan which it's never met before. Lol. That move also lowered the Rh about 4-5%, which was sweet.

All of them are humming. I can't find a blemish. It's impossible to overwater them. You can just dump the water on. What's the downside again? These plants are huge, way over my head. I have to lift my wheelchair all the way to it's max height to get close to the tops and even then I look up at them. Every pistil I see is white as a sheet. All my tent plants in the past have had at least some semblance of a canopy. This is totally different. Basically outdoor plants in every way. So I'm not even sure what to defol when the time comes. I have no idea what kind of lower bud formation and such we'll get from plants like this in a tent. Very curious. They all seem to be getting a ton of light top to bottom, in that regard the openness of the plants may be an advantage in the yield game, I have no clue to be honest. This is uncharted territory for me. Who the hell would grow three plants in a tent and just let them grow with zero training like this? I wouldn't with a photo most likely, can't imagine a scenario when I would. But that's what I got - three of them. Would you strip the bottom growth in this situation? I did not with any of the other outdoor plants and even the very lowest branches yielded legit buds. But I will if it's a good idea, up maybe a foot or so anyway.

Here they are. There's a top and bud shot of each, and the last picture is a Blueberry bud that looks to my eye like just maybe I have my first double bud top. I've seen several pictures of people getting them occasionally and have been hoping for one just for the weirdness of it. We'll see but maybe this is it.

Enjoy the holiday Bill. You deserve a good one. Merry Christmas my friend and thank you for all the help. Hey, I'm going to meet Oldmanjj in person next week!!! He's on vacation and coming to visit me! My first actual met person from the forum, I'm psyched. Jealous of all the Canadians who get to hang out when I see a post to that effect.

Pictures:

1-2: Strawberry Lemonade
3-4: Dos Si Dos
5-6: Blueberry

Coco Straw Lem 12 24.jpg


SL bud 12 24.jpg


DSD 12 24.jpg


DSD bud 12 24.jpg


Coco BB 12 24.jpg


Coco BB bud 12 24.jpg


Two headed bud on coco BB 12 24.jpg
 
Hi @Bill284. Merry Christmas! Here's your Christmas Eve Coco Girls update.

Let's see, it's day 21 of flower. Stretch is finally over. The Dos Si Dos stretched for almost three weeks. I just had to raise the light on account of her. My light has never seen the stratosphere it's in before. It's talking to my carbon filter and exhaust fan which it's never met before. Lol. That move also lowered the Rh about 4-5%, which was sweet.

All of them are humming. I can't find a blemish. It's impossible to overwater them. You can just dump the water on. What's the downside again? These plants are huge, way over my head. I have to lift my wheelchair all the way to it's max height to get close to the tops and even then I look up at them. Every pistil I see is white as a sheet. All my tent plants in the past have had at least some semblance of a canopy. This is totally different. Basically outdoor plants in every way. So I'm not even sure what to defol when the time comes. I have no idea what kind of lower bud formation and such we'll get from plants like this in a tent. Very curious. They all seem to be getting a ton of light top to bottom, in that regard the openness of the plants may be an advantage in the yield game, I have no clue to be honest. This is uncharted territory for me. Who the hell would grow three plants in a tent and just let them grow with zero training like this? I wouldn't with a photo most likely, can't imagine a scenario when I would. But that's what I got - three of them. Would you strip the bottom growth in this situation? I did not with any of the other outdoor plants and even the very lowest branches yielded legit buds. But I will if it's a good idea, up maybe a foot or so anyway.

Here they are. There's a top and bud shot of each, and the last picture is a Blueberry bud that looks to my eye like just maybe I have my first double bud top. I've seen several pictures of people getting them occasionally and have been hoping for one just for the weirdness of it. We'll see but maybe this is it.

Enjoy the holiday Bill. You deserve a good one. Merry Christmas my friend and thank you for all the help. Hey, I'm going to meet Oldmanjj in person next week!!! He's on vacation and coming to visit me! My first actual met person from the forum, I'm psyched. Jealous of all the Canadians who get to hang out when I see a post to that effect.

Pictures:

1-2: Strawberry Lemonade
3-4: Dos Si Dos
5-6: Blueberry

Coco Straw Lem 12 24.jpg


SL bud 12 24.jpg


DSD 12 24.jpg


DSD bud 12 24.jpg


Coco BB 12 24.jpg


Coco BB bud 12 24.jpg


Two headed bud on coco BB 12 24.jpg
Congratulations you have a double header mucker.
That's great tell him I said hi when you see him, smoke one for me. :thumb:
You can just keep giving nutrients to them like crazy and they keep getting bigger and better.
I don't know why you would use soil after this right!!!
Unless outdoor.
Your so funny when you get excited, you asked about lowers and never posted a pic. :rofl: :laugh:
Outside grow fine leave it, but inside I clean below the light line.
I wait at least 3 weeks from flip.
If you want larf for butter you can leave a little otherwise get rid of it.
Anything below her skirt can go.
But don't touch anything else.
All her leaves stay in place no plucking. :oops:
And lastly, I think, I'll have to check.
Since you grew outdoor Christmas trees your in uncharted territory my friend.
How bad is the height.
I know you don't want to ruin the look but I would tie over those main stems regardless.
Tie over the mains and drop your light back down.
Otherwise your tops will be great and rest will be softer.
The rest of the plant benefits from a closer source of energy.
Hope that covers everything.

Have a Merry Christmas Jon.:green_heart:
I wish you and your family nothing but happiness in the new year aswell.
Take care my friend.

Stay safe
Bill
 
Congratulations you have a double header mucker.
That's great tell him I said hi when you see him, smoke one for me. :thumb:
You can just keep giving nutrients to them like crazy and they keep getting bigger and better.
I don't know why you would use soil after this right!!!
Unless outdoor.
Your so funny when you get excited, you asked about lowers and never posted a pic. :rofl: :laugh:
Outside grow fine leave it, but inside I clean below the light line.
I wait at least 3 weeks from flip.
If you want larf for butter you can leave a little otherwise get rid of it.
Anything below her skirt can go.
But don't touch anything else.
All her leaves stay in place no plucking. :oops:
And lastly, I think, I'll have to check.
Since you grew outdoor Christmas trees your in uncharted territory my friend.
How bad is the height.
I know you don't want to ruin the look but I would tie over those main stems regardless.
Tie over the mains and drop your light back down.
Otherwise your tops will be great and rest will be softer.
The rest of the plant benefits from a closer source of energy.
Hope that covers everything.

Have a Merry Christmas Jon.:green_heart:
I wish you and your family nothing but happiness in the new year aswell.
Take care my friend.

Stay safe
Bill
Thanks Bill. Ok, will do. The height isn't too tall for the tent, but they're way above the rest. I'll bend them today. I should have already thought of and done that. And enjoy your holiday. I'll get back with you in a couple days.
 
It's Happening Again
Dos Si Dos #2 and #3
Getting way FAT and DENSE....Again
Fans to the Extreme plus the Big Boy Coming


Headline says it all today. Here's a bud from each of the remaining two DSDs and a shot of dedicated fans plus a medium boy and the big oscillating boy about to be added too. I care not about windburn, there's no way I'm losing one more gram to bud rot.

Merry Christmas Everyone.

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Mold mitigation.jpg
 
Merry Christmas @Bill284, doubt you'll see this today, but here's what I was able to do with the Dos Si Dos. I started with her. It's way improved. Also did the three week flower defol on her. She's all opened up with as close to a canopy as possible at this point. It'll be way better, you were right of course. Lol. So once I do all three plants this way we'll see how close we are to a consistent "canopy," and then lower the light to the appropriate level. Thanks. Great call. Don't know why I didn't get there on my own sooner, but hey we have plenty of time yet.

So here's the lower, then the middle, then the three step process I took to do the super bend on a stubborn, thick stem and cola. How'd I do?

Lower half post defol DSD week three of flower.jpg


Middle half post defol week three flower.jpg


Step one cola bend.jpg


Step Two cola bend.jpg


Final step cola bend.jpg
 
New Canopy in Cocotown

Hey @Bill284, here's the whole brand new canopy.
I spent more time with my plants today than my family. This was an extremely delicate operation that took a long time. No breaks. No rips. No tears. Lowered everything a lot, light will come down in the morning. Those stems were STIFF. Almost impossible to supercrop, as I considered doing. No way that way gonna happen, it would take days. So this is what we are going with, and I completed the three week into flower defol as well. We're all lit up top to bottom and at least have some semblance of a canopy.

Here it is: 2 pictures of the new canopy and three of the lowers, one from each plant. Order of the lowers pictures is Strawberry Lemonade, Dos Si Dos, Blueberry.

New Canopy in Cocotown.jpg


New Canopy in Cocotown 2.jpg


SL lower defol.jpg


DSD lower defol.jpg


Blueberry Lower Defol.jpg
 
New Canopy in Cocotown

Hey @Bill284, here's the whole brand new canopy.
I spent more time with my plants today than my family. This was an extremely delicate operation that took a long time. No breaks. No rips. No tears. Lowered everything a lot, light will come down in the morning. Those stems were STIFF. Almost impossible to supercrop, as I considered doing. No way that way gonna happen, it would take days. So this is what we are going with, and I completed the three week into flower defol as well. We're all lit up top to bottom and at least have some semblance of a canopy.

Here it is: 2 pictures of the new canopy and three of the lowers, one from each plant. Order of the lowers pictures is Strawberry Lemonade, Dos Si Dos, Blueberry.

New Canopy in Cocotown.jpg


New Canopy in Cocotown 2.jpg


SL lower defol.jpg


DSD lower defol.jpg


Blueberry Lower Defol.jpg
Beautiful work my friend.
Merry Christmas.
Hope you had a good day.

You don't have to do it all in one day.
I tie them over and let them acclimate.
Then in a couple days go a little farther.
You can keep adjusting until your happy.
But don't get over zealous the first.
But it looks great.
Get them spread open and flat get your light as close as you can get it.
Without loosing the foot print.
And keep pounding the nutrients.
They are going to be amazing.

Stay safe
Bill
 
Gorilla Zkittlez
Day 63


Super frosty plant. Starting to throw colors. Best smelling plant I have. Like cotton candy. Stinky cotton candy. Lol. Here's the whole plant and some bud shots. You can see the frost train has arrived, and she's gonna get more colorful as she fattens up it looks like. Yay. She has tons of moving air on her including two dedicated fans. Her buds are quickly dense-ing up. In the picture of the entire plant, the GZ is all the darker buds, including the tallest colas. The greener plant behind it is a Dos Si Dos, try to filter her out of the GZ picture in your head. Lol. You get the idea. She's a damn beast. In a 7 of Sohum. Starting to get the late Sohum fade too. Great plant. Easy to grow. Very low maintenance and no issues, bugs seem to hate her, great color start to finish, and the sativa pheno is quite productive compared to the indica which I got in spades the first time I grew her. This plant is three or four times the producer of that GZ raised in a tent in a 3 gallon pot. In fairness, that was my first ever auto plant harvested and I knew very little about them.

Enjoy.

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Cocotown Update
Flower Day 24

It's difficult to get good pictures in the tent at the moment, between the reds, the way the plants are, and the angles I can get. So I'll post good pictures as I am able to get them.

Here's a pretty good one of how the lower "canopy," ie, everything below the bent over cola, looks on our Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering girl, on the left wall side of the tent if you're looking in the front main doors.

She's got a ton of buds. They all have snow white pistils. She's starting to stink already too. Not sure when they started to stink outside with all the moving air and such. In the tent though, man. What a difference. All three of these plants are already giving off enough odor to smell immediately upon opening the tent doors. Wondering just how loud it's gonna get. We like loud grows. The louder the better. Heh.

Enjoy! And what was up with the second NFL game, on damn Christmas day, and the only one of the two worth watching in my opinion, NOT being on network TV, OR ESPN? The NFL Channel? Seriously? Who the hell has that in their basic cable package? And why should I need it on Christmas day? There's only two games. Come on. Heh.

DSD canopy of sorts below the main cola bent over.jpg
 
All looking beautiful @Jon !! Finally getting a chance to catch up on journals!
 
All looking beautiful @Jon !! Finally getting a chance to catch up on journals!
I feel you. I'm still catching up slowly. Also just grabbed a 3x3x6 tent for the garage with some Xmas money. Gonna set it up with the NextLight 420h and grow one big auto at a time til I move. That way I can break down the outdoor rig as soon as the Apple Blossom goes to flower, which will make the house show-able, and I have time for a one big auto grow in there before I move. Easy. Auto in coco. Lol. I get the tent Jan. 6, so I'll be ready to go that day. Easy five minute setup with my helper, already have all the other necessary pieces, and I'll always have a use for a 3x3. Perfect size to grow one giant auto. Yoink! Heh.
 
Cocotown Update
Flower Day 24

It's difficult to get good pictures in the tent at the moment, between the reds, the way the plants are, and the angles I can get. So I'll post good pictures as I am able to get them.

Here's a pretty good one of how the lower "canopy," ie, everything below the bent over cola, looks on our Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering girl, on the left wall side of the tent if you're looking in the front main doors.

She's got a ton of buds. They all have snow white pistils. She's starting to stink already too. Not sure when they started to stink outside with all the moving air and such. In the tent though, man. What a difference. All three of these plants are already giving off enough odor to smell immediately upon opening the tent doors. Wondering just how loud it's gonna get. We like loud grows. The louder the better. Heh.

Enjoy! And what was up with the second NFL game, on damn Christmas day, and the only one of the two worth watching in my opinion, NOT being on network TV, OR ESPN? The NFL Channel? Seriously? Who the hell has that in their basic cable package? And why should I need it on Christmas day? There's only two games. Come on. Heh.

DSD canopy of sorts below the main cola bent over.jpg
Beautiful Amigo.
Sorry about your football.

Stay safe
Bill
 
I feel you. I'm still catching up slowly. Also just grabbed a 3x3x6 tent for the garage with some Xmas money. Gonna set it up with the NextLight 420h and grow one big auto at a time til I move. That way I can break down the outdoor rig as soon as the Apple Blossom goes to flower, which will make the house show-able, and I have time for a one big auto grow in there before I move. Easy. Auto in coco. Lol. I get the tent Jan. 6, so I'll be ready to go that day. Easy five minute setup with my helper, already have all the other necessary pieces, and I'll always have a use for a 3x3. Perfect size to grow one giant auto. Yoink! Heh.
Awesome!

Hubby said I can get a 4x4 tent for the new year! We measured the spare bedroom and can squeeze it in there with just shifting the bed and nightstand!
 
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