Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

[Jon]

Sorry about the rot but great catch! Oh, and for the root-filled coco plants, check out @Derbybud's info on root coring. He produces great plants in coco.

Damn! Sorry to hear about the seeds, but seeded plants can be used for other things...oh look, you mentioned one below.

Kief, QWET, or oil infusions are all ways to use seeded bud if you can't be bothered to clean it before smoking.

Yeah, and of course I'll deseed and smoke some I suppose, it was far enough along that the smoke might still be pretty decent. I'll also cross my fingers and pray to Jah that I can find one or two of those upper buds that the seeds either somehow missed or hadn't gotten to yet, lol. The moldy one had no seeds, oddly. Wonder if there's a relationship there? Can't imagine there would be though. The mold was the last 24 hours, the seeds obviously longer than that. Oh well. My kief bowl will be full.

 

[Bill284]

Hey @Bill284 - thanks for this. It warranted a different response than me just moving on. I wanna make one small point for you to consider if you don't mind. I didn't bring you back from the edge after the fire. YOU brought you back. All I did was remind you where the bathroom was. Don't give me the credit for something you worked pretty damn hard to overcome all by your lonesome. I have great respect for that. I'll take a half an assist, that's it.

You're the man. Thanks Bill

Thank you Brother.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

Morning @Bill284, how's the morning find you mucker? Let's talk pot prep this morning.

I am in prep the pot mode for the Apple Blossom, currently in a one. She's in Happy Frog only plus perlite right now and doing great. Ready to up pot anytime. I am up potting her into pure Happy Frog plus perlite cuz I'm out of Ocean Forest for the blend. No problem. HF will do just fine. So I'm also adding the bokashi and the frass per our discussion, and the @Prescription Blend guys have given this their "stamp of approval," ie, it'll work fine with the nutes. She's currently working on week 3 of the PB feed chart.

I was going to go 1 to 3 to 7. But due to the amount of HF on hand, I can't do it that way, I'll have a short pot for the seven. So I'm going direct to the 7 from the 1. Also no problem, done it plenty. Actually I started the seedlings for two of the autos in sevens directly in the seven itself and it's roots are almost filling the seven now. So 1 to 7 is child's play.

Here's the questions:

- Rather than layer the perlite, bokashi, and frass like you do with the coco (I'll do it that way with the coco plants), doesn't it make sense to mix the bokashi and frass thoroughly into the entire seven gallons of soil? That's what I have to do with the perlite, I'm not going to layer perlite in Happy Frog. Must be mixed in. So why not the B and F as well instead of layering? Wouldn't that activate the entire pot when I watered the whole medium after up potting? And if I did it that way, can't I simply water the pot I just prepped and let it activate for like three days before transplanting?

- I was going to make a spray out of the Kelp Me Kelp You per our earlier discussion and spray the soil surface every four to six inches as I fill it, not to soak or anything but enough to activate the 'crobes. Good idea still, yes?

- I was also going to add some Soil Activator I have leftover from the GJOM prize pack. That seemed to jump start the 'crobes with the plants I used it on currently, and I don't see any issues doing this. Yes? I also usually top dress the soil before watering with a salt shaker layer of Great White, any reason to not do that in this case?

- Is three days long enough to let the pot sit and "activate" and get ready for the girl? I can wait three days on the up potting and I'm already prepped on the soil, already rinsed my perlite and have it measured out, and already have the B and F in place. So I can prep today.

- HOW MUCH B AND F SHOULD I USE FOR A SEVEN GALLON POT!!!!?

Heh. Am I keeping you on your toes, or is this so basic stuff you've forgotten half of it?

 

[Jon]

Here's how we're doing today, @Bill284. The bud shot and branch shot are the Strawberry Lemonade. I'm in love with this plant. Love the star formation thing she's got going on. Then a shot of all the girls.

 

[Jon]

Dos Si Dos
Day 59
Bud Shots and Interior Growth
Purpling Up and Still Shooting White Pistils Everywhere Up Top
Note the Protein at about 2:00 in the 3rd Picture, Lol

 

[Bill284]

Morning @Bill284, how's the morning find you mucker? Let's talk pot prep this morning.

I am in prep the pot mode for the Apple Blossom, currently in a one. She's in Happy Frog only plus perlite right now and doing great. Ready to up pot anytime. I am up potting her into pure Happy Frog plus perlite cuz I'm out of Ocean Forest for the blend. No problem. HF will do just fine. So I'm also adding the bokashi and the frass per our discussion, and the @Prescription Blend guys have given this their "stamp of approval," ie, it'll work fine with the nutes. She's currently working on week 3 of the PB feed chart.

I was going to go 1 to 3 to 7. But due to the amount of HF on hand, I can't do it that way, I'll have a short pot for the seven. So I'm going direct to the 7 from the 1. Also no problem, done it plenty. Actually I started the seedlings for two of the autos in sevens directly in the seven itself and it's roots are almost filling the seven now. So 1 to 7 is child's play.

Here's the questions:

- Rather than layer the perlite, bokashi, and frass like you do with the coco (I'll do it that way with the coco plants), doesn't it make sense to mix the bokashi and frass thoroughly into the entire seven gallons of soil? That's what I have to do with the perlite, I'm not going to layer perlite in Happy Frog. Must be mixed in. So why not the B and F as well instead of layering? Wouldn't that activate the entire pot when I watered the whole medium after up potting? And if I did it that way, can't I simply water the pot I just prepped and let it activate for like three days before transplanting?

- I was going to make a spray out of the Kelp Me Kelp You per our earlier discussion and spray the soil surface every four to six inches as I fill it, not to soak or anything but enough to activate the 'crobes. Good idea still, yes?

- I was also going to add some Soil Activator I have leftover from the GJOM prize pack. That seemed to jump start the 'crobes with the plants I used it on currently, and I don't see any issues doing this. Yes? I also usually top dress the soil before watering with a salt shaker layer of Great White, any reason to not do that in this case?

- Is three days long enough to let the pot sit and "activate" and get ready for the girl? I can wait three days on the up potting and I'm already prepped on the soil, already rinsed my perlite and have it measured out, and already have the B and F in place. So I can prep today.

- HOW MUCH B AND F SHOULD I USE FOR A SEVEN GALLON POT!!!!?

Heh. Am I keeping you on your toes, or is this so basic stuff you've forgotten half of it?

Good morning Jon, how are you doing today.
If you read the Gorilla Glue clone thread it states that I infuse the entire substrate with Bokashi, insect frass and myc. two weeks ahead of time.
Then when potting I layer the amendments for extra rocket fuel.
In short yes do the entire container of soil with everything ahead of time.
If three days is what you have that's fine.
Microbes will be throughout the soil which is great.
Moisture and oxygen activate them , as long as they get wet they will wake up and start multiplying.
Great white and soil activator are also beneficial, can be added directly or top dressed no problems.
In terms of measurement a table spoon mixed in each l. of soil is sufficient but a little extra never hurts.
Then every couple weeks I give everyone a tea of Bk,Fr and molasses for good measure.
It'll be a spectacular grow my friend, I know you got this no problems.
@Prescription Blend nutrients are going to be fantastic in there.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

Good morning Jon, how are you doing today.
If you read the Gorilla Glue clone thread it states that I infuse the entire substrate with Bokashi, insect frass and myc. two weeks ahead of time.
Then when potting I layer the amendments for extra rocket fuel.
In short yes do the entire container of soil with everything ahead of time.
If three days is what you have that's fine.
Microbes will be throughout the soil which is great.
Moisture and oxygen activate them , as long as they get wet they will wake up and start multiplying.
Great white and soil activator are also beneficial, can be added directly or top dressed no problems.
In terms of measurement a table spoon mixed in each l. of soil is sufficient but a little extra never hurts.
Then every couple weeks I give everyone a tea of Bk,Fr and molasses for good measure.
It'll be a spectacular grow my friend, I know you got this no problems.
@Prescription Blend nutrients are going to be fantastic in there.

Stay safe
Bill

Lol. Ok got it thanks. I'll do both, just wasn't sure if it was the same for soil and coco. I have plenty of the Happy Frog, perlite, bokashi and frass and GW. Also PB. I'm set. And I'll wait as long as possible before transplanting to let the pot go as long as I can. Don't think I can get two more weeks in the one, but definitely can get more than three days out of her. No problem. Thanks.

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

All your ladies are looking sooo pretty @Jon !

 

[Jon]

Yeah, and of course I'll deseed and smoke some I suppose, it was far enough along that the smoke might still be pretty decent. I'll also cross my fingers and pray to Jah that I can find one or two of those upper buds that the seeds either somehow missed or hadn't gotten to yet, lol. The moldy one had no seeds, oddly. Wonder if there's a relationship there? Can't imagine there would be though. The mold was the last 24 hours, the seeds obviously longer than that. Oh well. My kief bowl will be full.

Hey @InTheShed, all due respect, and very sorry to say, but I am done in your perpetual journal. That's two times now I've been attacked by someone I don't know at all for the crime of complementing them. It's not you, not at all saying it is, so please don't misunderstand. But I don't deal with bullshit aggression out of nowhere, and you have so many people who read your stuff that apparently in that place it's inevitable. I refuse to play that crap. So thanks. I'll observer and not comment. Too bad idiots gotta be idiots. And yeah, I'd have sent this in a message but I can't.

 

[InTheShed]

Sorry Jon, just saw the exchange. I have no idea what set them off but they're a brand new sub to my thread and I'll deal with it when I get to work this morning. I don't know what the first instance was but this one is beyond the pale.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

 

[Rexer]

Hey @InTheShed, all due respect, and very sorry to say, but I am done in your perpetual journal. That's two times now I've been attacked by someone I don't know at all for the crime of complementing them. It's not you, not at all saying it is, so please don't misunderstand. But I don't deal with bullshit aggression out of nowhere, and you have so many people who read your stuff that apparently in that place it's inevitable. I refuse to play that crap. So thanks. I'll observer and not comment. Too bad idiots gotta be idiots. And yeah, I'd have sent this in a message but I can't.

None of my business- and I know Shed is on it, but damn that was uncalled for, and well responded by you Jon. Ive enjoyed your comments and questions, often you ask good questions that get people thinking. Anyhow I've said my 2 cents, and did it here to stir the pot a bit less.

Sorry Jon, just saw the exchange. I have no idea what set them off but they're a brand new sub to my thread and I'll deal with it when I get to work this morning. I don't know what the first instance was but this one is beyond the pale.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Illegitimi non carborundum
I had to look that one up- recognized the language, but not the words. Love it!!

 

[InTheShed]

I couldn't wait so I replied. Eejits.

 

[Emilya Green]

But I don't deal with bullshit aggression out of nowhere, and you have so many people who read your stuff that apparently in that place it's inevitable.

It's just not Shed and his perpetual... almost every long running perpetual has these sorts of problems occasionally since so many people gather in that one place to comment and pontificate almost daily, and inevitably someone gets their feelings hurt when some amateur comedian, high as a kite, goes after another member over something they said. A comment meant as a joke is taken the other way, and then boom, everyone is fighting. This is why you don't see me on many of these types of threads... I already know that i don't play well with others, so why take the chance?

 

[Bill284]

Lol. Ok got it thanks. I'll do both, just wasn't sure if it was the same for soil and coco. I have plenty of the Happy Frog, perlite, bokashi and frass and GW. Also PB. I'm set. And I'll wait as long as possible before transplanting to let the pot go as long as I can. Don't think I can get two more weeks in the one, but definitely can get more than three days out of her. No problem. Thanks.

Three days isn't bad my friend, I just always prepped it well in advance.
Sorry I busted your chops about the GG. Thread.
I feel bad now.
I was only razing you.
Hope you didn't mind mucker.
Bad timing on my part, as usual.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Moony]

Hey @InTheShed, all due respect, and very sorry to say, but I am done in your perpetual journal. That's two times now I've been attacked by someone I don't know at all for the crime of complementing them. It's not you, not at all saying it is, so please don't misunderstand. But I don't deal with bullshit aggression out of nowhere, and you have so many people who read your stuff that apparently in that place it's inevitable. I refuse to play that crap. So thanks. I'll observer and not comment. Too bad idiots gotta be idiots. And yeah, I'd have sent this in a message but I can't.

I held my tongue so damn tight it started bleeding Jon. When I unleash it usually results in me or the other person leaving the community, I go dark and offensive.

I get very wound up by so called keyboard warriors. I'm 6ft 6 and 330 pounds... Makes me laugh how confident and cocky people are behind a damn screen. I can't imagine most people are as quick to get their back up in real life when looking at my chest when looking straight... The guy is obviously a prick with no sense of humour or decorum. But don't leave @InTheShed thread please. I like seeing the regulars and new members there and you'll be depriving the rest of us of all the hardcore @Jon action we all need and frankly deserve in our lives

 

[Jon]

Three days isn't bad my friend, I just always prepped it well in advance.
Sorry I busted your chops about the GG. Thread.
I feel bad now.
I was only razing you.
Hope you didn't mind mucker.
Bad timing on my part, as usual.

Stay safe
Bill

Lol. You should be razzing me about it I've been a lazy ass about it and depending on you instead. Lol!!!

 

[Jon]

Ok, @Emilya, this one's a real happy one and it's all for you!!!

Talk about your happy surprises. So after we talked about dark vs. light pistils yesterday, and you told me not to pull the plant and simply work around the few seeds that may show on the branches that (your theory as I understand it) got touched by pollen from the Strawberry Banana I pulled..... and which was right next to it in the dark space - I started thinking about the Pineapple Upside Down Cake. The one I so unceremoniously tossed into a couple boxes and tossed in a closet in the dark and forgot about for a couple days. I thought, what if the same thing happened on the PUC and only a few branches were seedy? What if I just happened to check the two or three most seedy branches first just by chance, and extrapolated that to believe the whole plant was seedy? Maybe what E said applies to the PUC too?

So I just wet trimmed the entire plant, because in that process I can very easily and clearly see which buds have seeds and which, if any don't. And it's not a true wet trim, as the almost three days she began drying made it a "semi-wet" trim. Regardless, it's easy to tell and separate. I was hoping there'd BE something to separate.

Well - how about 116 grams (semi wet weight) of perfectly trimmed bud with zero seeds?



YOU WERE RIGHT. As you often are. And that is now enough circumstantial proof for me that I am now completely buying your theory on how the pollen got there. I know now what to look for on the coco girls. THANKS. I would have checked anyway eventually, but I was in need of a lift and got one big time. I figure it'll dry to at least two ounces, maybe 2 1/2. I lost about a third of the plant, maybe closer to 40%, and no I didn't separate the seedy buds, I cut them up and tossed them in the Trim Bin with the flarf and sugar leaf to dry and make my beloved keif. And it really wasn't even more than a few days early, there's plenty of amber and they look mature and done, so I don't even think the THC content will be compromised, nor the frost. The bud in the picture will look every bit as frosty as the Slurricane when it's dry.

This obviously makes Jon a happy dude. From thoughts of zero to whatever this turns out to be is a significant jump!!!!

 

[Emilya Green]

Ok, @Emilya, this one's a real happy one and it's all for you!!!

Talk about your happy surprises. So after we talked about dark vs. light pistils yesterday, and you told me not to pull the plant and simply work around the few seeds that may show on the branches that (your theory as I understand it) got touched by pollen from the Strawberry Banana I pulled..... and which was right next to it in the dark space - I started thinking about the Pineapple Upside Down Cake. The one I so unceremoniously tossed into a couple boxes and tossed in a closet in the dark and forgot about for a couple days. I thought, what if the same thing happened on the PUC and only a few branches were seedy? What if I just happened to check the two or three most seedy branches first just by chance, and extrapolated that to believe the whole plant was seedy? Maybe what E said applies to the PUC too?

So I just wet trimmed the entire plant, because in that process I can very easily and clearly see which buds have seeds and which, if any don't. And it's not a true wet trim, as the almost three days she began drying made it a "semi-wet" trim. Regardless, it's easy to tell and separate. I was hoping there'd BE something to separate.

Well - how about 116 grams (semi wet weight) of perfectly trimmed bud with zero seeds?



YOU WERE RIGHT. As you often are. And that is now enough circumstantial proof for me that I am now completely buying your theory on how the pollen got there. I know now what to look for on the coco girls. THANKS. I would have checked anyway eventually, but I was in need of a lift and got one big time. I figure it'll dry to at least two ounces, maybe 2 1/2. I lost about a third of the plant, maybe closer to 40%, and no I didn't separate the seedy buds, I cut them up and tossed them in the Trim Bin with the flarf and sugar leaf to dry and make my beloved keif. And it really wasn't even more than a few days early, there's plenty of amber and they look mature and done, so I don't even think the THC content will be compromised, nor the frost. The bud in the picture will look every bit as frosty as the Slurricane when it's dry.

This obviously makes Jon a happy dude. From thoughts of zero to whatever this turns out to be is a significant jump!!!!

Just one of those many things you have to see and try as you master this craft my friend. I am glad I reached you in time.

 

[Jon]

Just one of those many things you have to see and try as you master this craft my friend. I am glad I reached you in time.

Me seven!

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Ok, @Emilya, this one's a real happy one and it's all for you!!!

Talk about your happy surprises. So after we talked about dark vs. light pistils yesterday, and you told me not to pull the plant and simply work around the few seeds that may show on the branches that (your theory as I understand it) got touched by pollen from the Strawberry Banana I pulled..... and which was right next to it in the dark space - I started thinking about the Pineapple Upside Down Cake. The one I so unceremoniously tossed into a couple boxes and tossed in a closet in the dark and forgot about for a couple days. I thought, what if the same thing happened on the PUC and only a few branches were seedy? What if I just happened to check the two or three most seedy branches first just by chance, and extrapolated that to believe the whole plant was seedy? Maybe what E said applies to the PUC too?

So I just wet trimmed the entire plant, because in that process I can very easily and clearly see which buds have seeds and which, if any don't. And it's not a true wet trim, as the almost three days she began drying made it a "semi-wet" trim. Regardless, it's easy to tell and separate. I was hoping there'd BE something to separate.

Well - how about 116 grams (semi wet weight) of perfectly trimmed bud with zero seeds?



YOU WERE RIGHT. As you often are. And that is now enough circumstantial proof for me that I am now completely buying your theory on how the pollen got there. I know now what to look for on the coco girls. THANKS. I would have checked anyway eventually, but I was in need of a lift and got one big time. I figure it'll dry to at least two ounces, maybe 2 1/2. I lost about a third of the plant, maybe closer to 40%, and no I didn't separate the seedy buds, I cut them up and tossed them in the Trim Bin with the flarf and sugar leaf to dry and make my beloved keif. And it really wasn't even more than a few days early, there's plenty of amber and they look mature and done, so I don't even think the THC content will be compromised, nor the frost. The bud in the picture will look every bit as frosty as the Slurricane when it's dry.

This obviously makes Jon a happy dude. From thoughts of zero to whatever this turns out to be is a significant jump!!!!

Yum Yum YUM!!! Those are beautiful buds - especially from a plant you thought had hermied and seeded itself galore!