Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

[Jon]

Glad you caught that so fast! And good pics of it too; I can see exactly what you mean by the brown leaves and the mold. I doubt I’ll have to worry about this, BUT its good reference for “just in case”! Bookmarked!

If you have dense plants and buds packed tightly together in an indoor grow, as is often the case, especially with indica based strains, I think it is always wise to be aware of the possibility of rot and check often. I trim the sugar leaves from in between packed together buds sometimes to try and mitigate the moisture a little, and of course you have to have the killer air flow around, on and THROUGH the plants. I usually have dedicated fans on each plant blowing up from underneath. And this PUC has every bud separated, none of them touch. Branch to branch I mean. Even the cola isn't too bad. So I was surprised as hell to find that on this plant especially, cuz she's so open and gets constant breeze and sun. But it got real foggy overnight the last three days, and that pumps the moisture up a ton. It is what it is. Thanks. Glad I caught it too.

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

If you have dense plants and buds packed tightly together in an indoor grow, as is often the case, especially with indica based strains, I think it is always wise to be aware of the possibility of rot and check often. I trim the sugar leaves from in between packed together buds sometimes to try and mitigate the moisture a little, and of course you have to have the killer air flow around, on and THROUGH the plants. I usually have dedicated fans on each plant blowing up from underneath. And this PUC has every bud separated, none of them touch. Branch to branch I mean. Even the cola isn't too bad. So I was surprised as hell to find that on this plant especially, cuz she's so open and gets constant breeze and sun. But it got real foggy overnight the last three days, and that pumps the moisture up a ton. It is what it is. Thanks. Glad I caught it too.

Well at least I wont be battling moisture - in my tent its been a challenge to get the moisture UP during veg. And not only do I have an exhaust fan in the tent, but also two 6” fans blowing in opposite directions - LOTS of airflow! But again, at least I know what to look for - your pics are a great help, so thank you Jon! (P.S. I know I owe you a picture; I’m working on it!)

 

[Jon]

Well at least I wont be battling moisture - in my tent its been a challenge to get the moisture UP during veg. And jot only do I have an exhaust fan in the tent, but also two 6” fans blowing in opposite directions. But again, at least I know what to look for - your pics are a great help, so thank you Jon! (P.S. I know I owe you a picture; I’m working on it!)

Cool. And cool. I was wondering about that. And yeah, I know you're solid as hell in there with what you have going on. Really only a concern once you have buds. I've never seen it in veg. What could mold in veg? I wonder how badly you'd have to overwater to get your vegging plant to mold. Lmao.

 

[Bill284]

Morning @Bill284. I'm really starting to enjoy these early morning Q and A sessions, I must say. So today let's look to the future, in particular to the monster outdoor plant grow this spring/summer. Pretty sure me, you, @StoneOtter, and @Rexer are in so far, gotta confirm with those guys. My question is about soil. I'll probably use coco for my monster, but I want to use soil for other outdoor (not intentional monsters) plants. I have around 70 gallons of used soil in pots just sitting there by the end of this grow. I already am looking at 30 gallons. I didn't dump it in the landscaping like I usually do, because after the sour apple spent soil experiment and how great that plant was, I think I want to keep it and resuse it if possible. I can easily bag it up and take it with me when I move to PA as we'll be driving up. And up there I even have one of those big, round, plastic mulcher things that you keep in the yard and turn with a crank whenever you want to mix it up. I'm thinking I take the soil with me, dump it in that thing, and then amend it and let it mulch and microbe up for however long until it's soil that would be good for weed.

So....

- Is this do-able?
- Can the soil be amended to bring it back to life?
- Any idea what amendments might be most effective?
- Any idea how long a process this is? Are we talking two summers from now grows? (ugh)
- Is that mulcher piece of equipment thing the best way to do it?
- Got any reference material or good links to member info on this?
- Any other comments, suggestions, etc.?

That ought to keep you busy for a few minutes. Thanks Bill! Btw....we began week 7 of the FF feed chart on the girls yesterday. Flush on Sunday. Here's the thing about that - they are already so rooted in the threes that they already are taking longer to drain each time I fill the top of the pot with water before I can add more. Much slower than in the beginning, of course. They gotta be so incredibly rooted in there - I can't even push their name tags into the medium enough for it to stand anymore. So when I flush them I guess I have no choice but to be patient and wait on the goddamn water to drain each time? It's going to take forever. If I am flushing like you said with just a hose and tap water, would completely spraying the outside of the bags while I wait for the pot to drain the water help and make it quicker? Or does all the water HAVE to flow down and through via gravity, like straight down? They take about a gallon each before any slight runoff, and almost a gallon and a half each to get proper runoff. The Blueberry is the thirstiest by a mile and dries out the quickest every time. The DSD and Straw Lem are about the same on that front. All are praying like demons on meth. All blemish free except where I spilled nutes on a couple leaves, lol. The buds are forming properly on all, I'll post bud pics for you when they wake up. So there's your Coco girls update.

Hey Jon how are you doing today?
Stone beat me too it.
This is the mix I have cooking at the moment.
2 100 L. Tubs.
But Stone has the exact recipe there.

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Best to get a couple tubs with lids.
Get a big 1/2" drill with a big mixer attachment.
You should break it up pull out what ever roots you can.
Then fill it with bokashi and frass wet it then add your amendments.
Mixing once a week is also recommended but difficult.
A year after sitting is recommended before use but you only have 6 months or so hurry the heck up.
Geoflora also has a recharge package that I would add along with mycro...
and compost.
There is a couple threads on reusing soil where Emilya has a lot of good suggestions
Fek here is one.

Guide to reusing soil?

Is there something like a guide to how to properly reuse potting soil?

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Two actually

How to reuse soil

anyone has any experience on reusing terra canna soil? what about reusing soil in general, how do people do that? is there some specific stuff that has to be done? or just clean the soil and that's it?

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As fas as the recommended flush is concerned you just have to go slower and let the water flow through.
Just take your time and keep pushing it down through to wash out any build up from your nutrients.
The only time I sprayed the outside of the bag was when they were cooking in the sun to cool them.
You want straight through out the bottom preferably.
Hope that helps.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

Hey Jon how are you doing today?
Stone beat me too it.
This is the mix I have cooking at the moment.
2 100 L. Tubs.
But Stone has the exact recipe there.

Summer 2021 420 Sunshine Grow: Everyone Welcome

After a long winter it is 420 again. The perfect time to start this communal thread. We all need some sunshine and warmth. So let's all post our own brand of sunshine weather its your ladies enjoying some rays or your feet up on the cooler enjoying your day. Maby you just want to say hi im...

www.420magazine.com

Best to get a couple tubs with lids.
Get a big 1/2" drill with a big mixer attachment.
You should break it up pull out what ever roots you can.
Then fill it with bokashi and frass wet it then add your amendments.
Mixing once a week is also recommended but difficult.
A year after sitting is recommended before use but you only have 6 months or so hurry the heck up.
Geoflora also has a recharge package that I would add along with mycro...
and compost.
There is a couple threads on reusing soil where Emilya has a lot of good suggestions
Fek here is one.

Guide to reusing soil?

Is there something like a guide to how to properly reuse potting soil?

www.420magazine.com

Two actually

How to reuse soil

anyone has any experience on reusing terra canna soil? what about reusing soil in general, how do people do that? is there some specific stuff that has to be done? or just clean the soil and that's it?

www.420magazine.com

As fas as the recommended flush is concerned you just have to go slower and let the water flow through.
Just take your time and keep pushing it down through to wash out any build up from your nutrients.
The only time I sprayed the outside of the bag was when they were cooking in the sun to cool them.
You want straight through out the bottom preferably.
Hope that helps.

Stay safe
Bill

Helps?!! Good lord, man, you answered every question and shot me a bunch of links! I'll say it helps. Thanks!! I appreciate the time that must have taken. Between all this, you, Otter, and E, I got this. Thanks.

 

[Rexer]

Hey Jon, good catch on the bud rot, sorry to see that happened.
Here's the bad news. The spores from that bud rot may have spread a bit from air movement. Keep a close eye on all your plants. And consider a h202 bud wash at the end.
Hope that's the end of the bud rot, but felt I should mention the spores.

 

[LKABudMan]

Jon just catching up on this journal. Quite the harvest you had there, those buds look fabulous. I love all the information on soil in here, thanks to all that contributed.
Happy Growing.

 

[Jon]

Hey Jon, good catch on the bud rot, sorry to see that happened.
Here's the bad news. The spores from that bud rot may have spread a bit from air movement. Keep a close eye on all your plants. And consider a h202 bud wash at the end.
Hope that's the end of the bud rot, but felt I should mention the spores.

Thanks Rex. Yeah, I got educated about it when I found that gram or two I lost inside the one big Gelato bud. I am checking them several times a day. No way to check overnight but first thing in the am as well. First light. Hoping the wind just whisked those puppies away before they could settle on the other buds. I checked like my life depended on it when I found this, and every single other bud on the plant, at the moment at least, is perfectly fine. Thanks for the head's up. I'm tempted to make her overnight dark time the closet in our guest room, which is perfectly dark, probably more so than where she lives now overnight. That way I could put fans on her and she'd have regular house humidity, which is not ideal (like 60%) but beats the crap out of being blanketed in fog for 6-8 hours a night. What do you think about that? I could move her in and out for the few days she has left and maybe mitigate it that way? Also, no other plants to worry about, everyone else is in the rig miles away and they're autos anyway 'cept the Apple Blossom in veg. So no worries there at least. Thankfully the coco girls live in the tent now.

 

[Rexer]

Thanks Rex. Yeah, I got educated about it when I found that gram or two I lost inside the one big Gelato bud. I am checking them several times a day. No way to check overnight but first thing in the am as well. First light. Hoping the wind just whisked those puppies away before they could settle on the other buds. I checked like my life depended on it when I found this, and every single other bud on the plant, at the moment at least, is perfectly fine. Thanks for the head's up. I'm tempted to make her overnight dark time the closet in our guest room, which is perfectly dark, probably more so than where she lives now overnight. That way I could put fans on her and she'd have regular house humidity, which is not ideal (like 60%) but beats the crap out of being blanketed in fog for 6-8 hours a night. What do you think about that? I could move her in and out for the few days she has left and maybe mitigate it that way? Also, no other plants to worry about, everyone else is in the rig miles away and they're autos anyway 'cept the Apple Blossom in veg. So no worries there at least. Thankfully the coco girls live in the tent now.

I think the blanketed in fog might have been the culprit. Removing her from that would be better. Having a constant fan can be good and bad. The good= less chance IMO of it spreading or reshowing.
The bad= if there are spores of botrytis present, they've now been introduced to your house.
It's a tough call.

 

[Jon]

I think the blanketed in fog might have been the culprit. Removing her from that would be better. Having a constant fan can be good and bad. The good= less chance IMO of it spreading or reshowing.
The bad= if there are spores of botrytis present, they've now been introduced to your house.
It's a tough call.

What's the worst thing that can happen with those spores in my house? My mom's house plants aren't such that they'd catch it. I have no plants inside. Nothing will dry inside for several days yet, at least a week. Won't they die by then? And what damage can they do in the house?

 

[Rexer]

What's the worst thing that can happen with those spores in my house? My mom's house plants aren't such that they'd catch it. I have no plants inside. Nothing will dry inside for several days yet, at least a week. Won't they die by then? And what damage can they do in the house?

While it's not specific to cannabis, here's a good read on it. I learned a few things, including something called "noble rot". And "wine growers lung".
"Botrytis: Species, Effects and Treatment | Mold Busters" Botrytis: Species, Effects and Treatment | Mold Busters

 

[Jon]

Pineapple Upside Down Cake is no more. I chopped it all down and tossed the branches in a box and tossed in on the floor of some random closet in the house to dry however it wants, I don't give a goddamn one fricking iota. Know why? The whole thing is full of seeds. Apparently the bud I tried those little test nugs of earlier from under the moldy bud were the only buds on the entire plant that weren't hermie. Almost every lower bud on every lower branch has fully developed, close to plantable seeds, and as you go up it gets less like that and more like the white hermie seeds everywhere. Except, that is, for any visual sign of ANY GODDAMN MOTHERFUC---G KIND. No balls, no nanners, you guys saw the buds and saw plenty of the same thing I was looking at. F THIS GODDAMN SHI-.

 

[Bill284]

Pineapple Upside Down Cake is no more. I chopped it all down and tossed the branches in a box and tossed in on the floor of some random closet in the house to dry however it wants, I don't give a goddamn one fricking iota. Know why? The whole thing is full of seeds. Apparently the bud I tried those little test nugs of earlier from under the moldy bud were the only buds on the entire plant that weren't hermie. Almost every lower bud on every lower branch has fully developed, close to plantable seeds, and as you go up it gets less like that and more like the white hermie seeds everywhere. Except, that is, for any visual sign of ANY GODDAMN MOTHERFUC---G KIND. No balls, no nanners, you guys saw the buds and saw plenty of the same thing I was looking at. F THIS GODDAMN SHI-.

Hey Jon relax my friend.
It's all good your doing great what's one minor setback.
It's no great loss in the grand scheme of things, right!!!!!
Shit happens you have to take it in stride and move on.
I had blue dream wipe out 3 full crops plus the time spent growing them all.
That's around 50 plants wiped out.
You have to just put it behind you and be positive about things.
You know you brought me back from the edge after the fire.
PMA buddy keep it going.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[cjsbabygirl313]

Pineapple Upside Down Cake is no more. I chopped it all down and tossed the branches in a box and tossed in on the floor of some random closet in the house to dry however it wants, I don't give a goddamn one fricking iota. Know why? The whole thing is full of seeds. Apparently the bud I tried those little test nugs of earlier from under the moldy bud were the only buds on the entire plant that weren't hermie. Almost every lower bud on every lower branch has fully developed, close to plantable seeds, and as you go up it gets less like that and more like the white hermie seeds everywhere. Except, that is, for any visual sign of ANY GODDAMN MOTHERFUC---G KIND. No balls, no nanners, you guys saw the buds and saw plenty of the same thing I was looking at. F THIS GODDAMN SHI-.

Oh no! I’m so sorry @Jon … I would be pizzed too

 

[StoneOtter]

Hey we're twinzies today Jon! I got a hermie as well! Mines cut and gone already. Was Cannatonic. Oh well.

 

[Jon]

Ok, @Bill284, we move on.

Here's a picture of each plant budding and how each one is stacking. I must say I'm a fan of what the Strawberry Lemonade stacking is doing. Haven't noticed any seeds yet. Lol. And no signs of balls either.

1-2: Blueberry
3-4: Strawberry Lemonade
5-6: Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering

 

[Bill284]

Ok, @Bill284, we move on.

Here's a picture of each plant budding and how each one is stacking. I must say I'm a fan of what the Strawberry Lemonade stacking is doing. Haven't noticed any seeds yet. Lol. And no signs of balls either.

1-2: Blueberry
3-4: Strawberry Lemonade
5-6: Dos Si Dos Fast Flowering

Buds are stacking nicely.
Your really killing it with these.
Coco rocks so do you mucker.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Jon]

So obviously I'm not just going to accept losing the PUC

We are going ahead and popping a Watermelon Weddingcake Double XL auto. I was threatening to earlier, then shelved it. Well, she's back and soaking in a shot glass.

Auto in coco/bokashi/frass/perlite in a 7 gallon pot. Let's see how big a double XL auto gets with that going on. Not sure about lighting yet, and we will use @GeoFlora Nutrients. The one thing about the PUC going hermie on me that I'm 100% certain about is that it was not caused by the Geoflora nutes. Lmao. Those were spectacular. So good in fact that it kept the plant looking perfect while the evil ones were brewing inside. The buds never slowed down in growing in size or seemingly in trichome production like one would expect when it's making seeds. No nanners, no ball sacks, no nothing. I have experienced it before and it sucked then too. Lol. Oh well.

Thanks for the supportive stuff guys, I'm over it. Not sure I would have gifted my buddy who stopped by yesterday quite the same way had I known the PUC was history. Damn Christmas.

Here's the upside.....that damn plant is going to kief up in a couple weeks after I cut it all up to a volume that's going to be spectacular, that's for sure. The buds are drenched in trichomes. It smells awesome. It really is too bad. That's two tries with the same strain that hermied, although in the first case I have no way to know which of the four scrog plants went hermie first and did the others, so perhaps it is only the first. I'll give her another shot now that I clearly see how she's supposed to look. And I know she's ultra productive, and I know she does significant side branching. Learned a lot about the PUC, so now I can grow one in a tent and train it out to max yield me. I will get this bitch yet, you watch. But this plant will be my small but gigantic bowl of spectacular kief that I always like to have by my side. If I had a press I bet it would make some great dabs.

 

[InTheShed]

Sorry about the rot but great catch! Oh, and for the root-filled coco plants, check out @Derbybud's info on root coring. He produces great plants in coco.

Pineapple Upside Down Cake is no more. I chopped it all down and tossed the branches in a box and tossed in on the floor of some random closet in the house to dry however it wants, I don't give a goddamn one fricking iota. Know why? The whole thing is full of seeds. Apparently the bud I tried those little test nugs of earlier from under the moldy bud were the only buds on the entire plant that weren't hermie. Almost every lower bud on every lower branch has fully developed, close to plantable seeds, and as you go up it gets less like that and more like the white hermie seeds everywhere. Except, that is, for any visual sign of ANY GODDAMN MOTHERFUC---G KIND. No balls, no nanners, you guys saw the buds and saw plenty of the same thing I was looking at. F THIS GODDAMN SHI-.

Damn! Sorry to hear about the seeds, but seeded plants can be used for other things...oh look, you mentioned one below.

Here's the upside.....that damn plant is going to kief up in a couple weeks after I cut it all up to a volume that's going to be spectacular, that's for sure.

Kief, QWET, or oil infusions are all ways to use seeded bud if you can't be bothered to clean it before smoking.

 

[Jon]

Hey Jon relax my friend.
It's all good your doing great what's one minor setback.
It's no great loss in the grand scheme of things, right!!!!!
Shit happens you have to take it in stride and move on.
I had blue dream wipe out 3 full crops plus the time spent growing them all.
That's around 50 plants wiped out.
You have to just put it behind you and be positive about things.
You know you brought me back from the edge after the fire.
PMA buddy keep it going.

Stay safe
Bill

Hey @Bill284 - thanks for this. It warranted a different response than me just moving on. I wanna make one small point for you to consider if you don't mind. I didn't bring you back from the edge after the fire. YOU brought you back. All I did was remind you where the bathroom was. Don't give me the credit for something you worked pretty damn hard to overcome all by your lonesome. I have great respect for that. I'll take a half an assist, that's it.

You're the man. Thanks Bill