Jon's First Outdoor Grow: Sugar Breath Photoperiod & Strawberry Banana Autoflower

Gelato, aka Michael, Harvest
Day 82


This was supposed to be a 63 day plant. Lmao. Only about three weeks longer. Not much to say. She was ready. I chopped her and partial trimmed her and hung her. Stinky ass plant. Stinkier even than the SB's. And exceptional yield for a smallish auto. (see pics) Very very happy with this plant. No bud rot or anything else to compromise this plant. No issues start to finish. I expect that hung weed to dry between 3 and 4 ounces.

Here's the haul and a few bud closeups.

productive auto yes.jpg


Gelato hung bud 1.jpg


Gelato hanging bud 2.jpg
 
Gelato, aka Michael, Harvest
Day 82


This was supposed to be a 63 day plant. Lmao. Only about three weeks longer. Not much to say. She was ready. I chopped her and partial trimmed her and hung her. Stinky ass plant. Stinkier even than the SB's. And exceptional yield for a smallish auto. (see pics) Very very happy with this plant. No bud rot or anything else to compromise this plant. No issues start to finish. I expect that hung weed to dry between 3 and 4 ounces.

Here's the haul and a few bud closeups.

productive auto yes.jpg


Gelato hung bud 1.jpg


Gelato hanging bud 2.jpg
More yumminess!
 
Seedlings
Veg Day 13
CJS Apple Blossom
Chocolope


Chocolope attempting a comeback! Go girl, go! You can do it!!

CJS Apple Blossom exactly where she should be. Beginning @Prescription Blend nutrient regimen on Monday with both of these plants. Very excited about it and thank you PB for your sponsorship and excellent prizes!!!!

Think you can tell which is which. Lol.

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Chocolope on 12 3.jpg
 
Seedlings
Veg Day 13
CJS Apple Blossom
Chocolope


Chocolope attempting a comeback! Go girl, go! You can do it!!

CJS Apple Blossom exactly where she should be. Beginning @Prescription Blend nutrient regimen on Monday with both of these plants. Very excited about it and thank you PB for your sponsorship and excellent prizes!!!!

Think you can tell which is which. Lol.

CJS on 12 3.jpg


Chocolope on 12 3.jpg
C’mon chocolope - you got this!

That apple blossom LOOKING GOOD!
 
C’mon chocolope - you got this!

That apple blossom LOOKING GOOD!
Well duh, look at her name. :D

I can't stop laughing at this poor Chocolope. This is the most twisted sprout I've ever had. She's a nut. But she's healthy and she's going to live and try to make the cut! But every time I look at her I laugh.
 
Well duh, look at her name. :D

I can't stop laughing at this poor Chocolope. This is the most twisted sprout I've ever had. She's a nut. But she's healthy and she's going to live and try to make the cut! But every time I look at her I laugh.
You’re too sweet Jon!

You havent seen twisted til you see one of those basil seedlings I transplanted earlier this week. Looks like some kind of genetic experiment gone wrong!
 
Afternoon Garden Getting Bigger Each Day

Here's the state of play.

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Your going to need an addition to the house just to dry
and store everything. :rofl:
Looking good Jon

Stay safe
Bill
 
Your going to need an addition to the house just to dry
and store everything. :rofl:
Looking good Jon

Stay safe
Bill
Yeah right? So I have two SB's and one Gelato drying as we speak. 2 more SB's I have to remember to burp in the jars. Tomorrow the Raspberry Parfait gets hung. Obviously I can't hang her as a full plant, so we're talking about hanging each and every branch individually, as each branch on this plant is entirely self-contained. That ain't a five minute job. And a few days after that we begin harvesting the tent. That's frankly going to be a nightmare. If you could see the underside of the plants the way I do you'd know what I mean. It'll take forever just to hang it, much less trim it all. I may need to enlist someone to help. Problem with that is, one, I don't know anyone here like that, and two, I don't trust anyone but myself to trim the way I want my buds trimmed. :rofl::rofl::rofl: Of course it was WAY too much to hope for that all three different tent strains would harvest at the same time. That would be too easy, just hang them in the tent. But no. They'll all be a few days removed from one another but far enough that I can't just say, wait a week and do them all. I don't think, maybe. But if not, there's more hanging space yet to be created. I gotta go into McGuyver mode this afternoon.

Yes, I know...poor me.

:laugh:
 
So many amazing updates in such a short time.
And I'm still stuck with that vision of your mornings. Sounds perfect and like an incredible way to start the day. Except the time....good God man, you actually wake up everyday at that time? :eek: :rofl:
 
Yeah right? So I have two SB's and one Gelato drying as we speak. 2 more SB's I have to remember to burp in the jars. Tomorrow the Raspberry Parfait gets hung. Obviously I can't hang her as a full plant, so we're talking about hanging each and every branch individually, as each branch on this plant is entirely self-contained. That ain't a five minute job. And a few days after that we begin harvesting the tent. That's frankly going to be a nightmare. If you could see the underside of the plants the way I do you'd know what I mean. It'll take forever just to hang it, much less trim it all. I may need to enlist someone to help. Problem with that is, one, I don't know anyone here like that, and two, I don't trust anyone but myself to trim the way I want my buds trimmed. :rofl::rofl::rofl: Of course it was WAY too much to hope for that all three different tent strains would harvest at the same time. That would be too easy, just hang them in the tent. But no. They'll all be a few days removed from one another but far enough that I can't just say, wait a week and do them all. I don't think, maybe. But if not, there's more hanging space yet to be created. I gotta go into McGuyver mode this afternoon.

Yes, I know...poor me.

:laugh:
Modern problems hehe.
I've had to resort to using a trim bowl at times.
Sitting trimming for 3 or 4 days straight is absolute he'll on my back.
How the hell are you going to get it all to PA?

Stay safe
Bill
 
So many amazing updates in such a short time.
And I'm still stuck with that vision of your mornings. Sounds perfect and like an incredible way to start the day. Except the time....good God man, you actually wake up everyday at that time? :eek: :rofl:
Lol. I do. I get up at 4:30. That allows me to get the dog walked and fed before 5 when all three rigs wake up. (Nice, right? That was intentional - allows me to more easily plan a day). I need to be there when the lights come on. What if a huge cola fell over in the middle of the night and if it's not fixed immediately it'll be in the dirt? Or whatever, there's a million things that could go wrong. Lol. Plus, 18 active plants before harvest today. 3 in coco. 16 of 18 now in various stages of flower, now 13 after harvest today. (this is only true because today is the final day of veg for our coco ladies, they go with the other outdoor photos to the dark place at sundown today. Tomorrow is Day 1 of flower for coco girls and a switch to week 5 of the FF feed chart...) That'll keep someone who can walk busy!!!

I also by necessity go to bed fairly early. I rarely see midnight. By 8 pm I'm spent. The constant relocating of so many plants so many times a day is primarily what tires me out - the other stuff is a lot, but not particularly physically taxing. It's just the sum of everything.

I ain't by any means crying the blues, so don't get me wrong. I LOVE it. It's a very quiet, eerie world under a clear, starry sky at 4:30 in the morning. It's beautiful.
 
Modern problems hehe.
I've had to resort to using a trim bowl at times.
Sitting trimming for 3 or 4 days straight is absolute he'll on my back.
How the hell are you going to get it all to PA?

Stay safe
Bill
I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you. Lmao. But it has four letters in the acronym, and the first three are USP.

Ha. I'm bulletproof.
 
Lol. I do. I get up at 4:30. That allows me to get the dog walked and fed before 5 when all three rigs wake up. (Nice, right? That was intentional - allows me to more easily plan a day). I need to be there when the lights come on. What if a huge cola fell over in the middle of the night and if it's not fixed immediately it'll be in the dirt? Or whatever, there's a million things that could go wrong. Lol. Plus, 18 active plants before harvest today. 3 in coco. 16 of 18 now in various stages of flower, now 13 after harvest today. (this is only true because today is the final day of veg for our coco ladies, they go with the other outdoor photos to the dark place at sundown today. Tomorrow is Day 1 of flower for coco girls and a switch to week 5 of the FF feed chart...) That'll keep someone who can walk busy!!!

I also by necessity go to bed fairly early. I rarely see midnight. By 8 pm I'm spent. The constant relocating of so many plants so many times a day is primarily what tires me out - the other stuff is a lot, but not particularly physically taxing. It's just the sum of everything.

I ain't by any means crying the blues, so don't get me wrong. I LOVE it. It's a very quiet, eerie world under a clear, starry sky at 4:30 in the morning. It's beautiful.

Complete opposite for myself. As the day wains, the pain builds. By night I gotta wait for exhaustion to outweigh the pain. If I try to lie down too early, the damn pain skyrockets and back up I have to get, and it usually delays my sleep more.

I ain't crying either, been there done that and am a million times better then I was a year or two ago. That and I've gotten better at hiding when the pain hits. Sucked being in public the first couple years, don't get me wrong- I'm grateful for people's concerns, but it was getting tiring to hear offers for calling ambulances.

What funny is the new house has a sunroom, and Mrs Rex and I love to sit in there smoke one and watch the sunset over the fields and trees. It's nice when you can stop to enjoy the little pleasures like that in life. I'm so glad that you've built it into your routine, something I should try to do.
 
Complete opposite for myself. As the day wains, the pain builds. By night I gotta wait for exhaustion to outweigh the pain. If I try to lie down too early, the damn pain skyrockets and back up I have to get, and it usually delays my sleep more.

I ain't crying either, been there done that and am a million times better then I was a year or two ago. That and I've gotten better at hiding when the pain hits. Sucked being in public the first couple years, don't get me wrong- I'm grateful for people's concerns, but it was getting tiring to hear offers for calling ambulances.

What funny is the new house has a sunroom, and Mrs Rex and I love to sit in there smoke one and watch the sunset over the fields and trees. It's nice when you can stop to enjoy the little pleasures like that in life. I'm so glad that you've built it into your routine, something I should try to do.
Love this. Thanks. Yeah, if I stayed up til midnight my pain would skyrocket too. Ever tried accupuncture? If not, I highly recommend it. It feels amazing and brings serious relief. Also covered by many insurances. I go four times a month for 45 minutes and when I come out of there it's like I'm rejuvenated. I also use a portable TENS unit with four electrodes which is surprisingly strong and effective for a $100 item that runs on a 9-volt. You might try that too if you haven't before, electricity can really help a lot once you get it dialed in.

Life is a series of moments. I love my morning moments.
 
Hi @kikikopa, sure no problem.

So for this grow you did not start in a solo cup and straight into a 3 gallon pot.
That is correct. Only because they were in threes. I knew I'd be able to grow the rootball no problem.

Did you use Emilya's method of watering to induce a fat root ball?
Yes, I did. It's the only method I use on every plant I grow. Beginning by using the method in the Dixie cup.

How many dry ounces do you expect to harvest from this plant in a 3 gallon pot?
Honestly, I have no earthly idea. If it were soil I might garner a guess, but in coco it's all new. First try in coco. But guaranteed at least 4 ounces, and I would guess closer to 8, if I had to guess. They will be around six feet tall when they're finished.

What is the environment like when it is in the 4 hour dark period? Total darkness or semi?
They are in the Mars Hydro rig under the FC-E6500 from sundown til 1 am, giving them their 20 hours, then spend the four hours of dark in that rig. The environment is 100% dark as the rig is completely wrapped at night and the lights go out in both rigs at the same time by design. The overnight temperature in the four hours of darkness when the light is off is around 58-62 degrees, the humidity for that four hours probably rises to around 65%.

I think I got them all. Lemme know if I was clear enough.
Very clear and I thank you Jon. As you know, I'm on a learning curve just like you, although obviously not as advanced, and really appreciate you answering my questions and helping me learn from the documentation of your grows.

Two quick questions when you get a chance:
Now that you've had a chance to grow in coco and have previously grown in soil; what would you estimate is the increase in yield using coco versus soil? I'm intrigued by the thought of perhaps using coco but just not sure I can commit the time necessary for their maintenance. Are there any other differences between using coco and soil, aside from extra watering during flowering, that require more maintenance?
 
@NextLight Report (As Promised)
420h Quad Board


So the picture shows the very smallest, very most bottom bud on the biggest Strawberry Banana auto, grown under the 420h. The five autos - 4 Strawberry Bananas and 1 Gelato, all spent every moment of their lives under this light. They did not go outdoors. That was the whole point - to assess the light. I promised the NL folks I would give an honest assessment. Now that the rig is dark (temporarily, hehe), it's time for that.

I pictured the very most bottom bud on the densest plant of all for a reason. These are the buds on your plant when you harvest that are always flarf. They get little or no light. They usually stay completely green, or often, instead of changing colors like the buds which get light do. They often feel a bit moist - like junk. That's the usual bottom of the plant buds, I would argue, for most of us, regardless of our skill set. And of course you get varying degrees of these flarfy buds, both regarding their "quality" and their physical appearance. But the point is that most of the time this bud would be junk.

Not under the 420h.

One of the ways that I assess the effectiveness of any light is it's penetrating power. How far through the plant leaves do those photons travel? How deep towards the bottom of the plant does the light actually have the desired effect, and at what point do the lowest buds become flarf? This is all about the spectrum of the light and the focus of your LEDs, independent of your particular choice of how you use the dimmer or whatever. But most of us, for flower anyway, would be running our lights at 100% power. This one ran at 100% from day one of seedling. I prefer to always run at 100% and adjust the canopy distance instead of using a, what's it called, dimmer? :D

This bud is dense. Frosty. Complete looking in it's appearance. Properly shaped. Just as colorful as the colas. Equally well balanced in terms of it's red/green distribution. Is it as dense as the colas? Not quite. But it's WAY close to it. And this bud, in theory, got hardly any light at all. It was buried in a dense mass of central buds that had to be carefully cut apart to dry them - it was bigger than my closed fist. I mean buried. This bud should be flarf.

The 420h has some SERIOUS penetrating power. Especially for a quantum board.

Also having shown several of the finished buds of the plants now, you can see how there's a uniformity to all of them. Yes, different phenos maybe, but very consistent across the board in terms of density, color, shape, etc. What this tells me is that the footprint of the 420h is very very solid within it's preferred range. In my opinion, that range is 3x3. This light would certainly work in a 4x4 or you could even stretch it and make it work potentially in a 5x5....but imho, it is best suited and most effective in the 3x3 square. That's the size tent I'd use it in. Not that you see a lot of 3x3's. Lol. Just saying in my opinion that's where the magic of the footprint is. Even in a 4x4 I would try to keep my plants within that 3x3 block.

The light isn't really advertised as being for a 5x5. It's very accurate to it's stated numbers. In my opinion, the NL guys got the marketing of this light correct. By that I mean they tell you the REAL information, not any trumped up par numbers or anything like that, as you will find with lesser quality lights. This is also a big plus. It's nice to be able to depend on the numbers that come from the folks who actually make the damn thing.

The weed is all very pungent, very dense, very VERY frosty, and very good. On every level this is a nod to the 420h. The plants LOVED the spectrum, obviously. Which is important considering it doesn't change.

The dimmer, for real, works amazingly well. You will find many lights with dimmers that don't. They'll cut out altogether at about 20% sometimes or something of that nature. Not this one. Full sweep, 0 to 100, with discernible to the eye differences exactly where you'd think, and discernible to my Phototone app 100%. Lovely for those who use it.

Set up couldn't be easier, and it's extremely well balanced and very solidly built.

I am going to go as far as to say this is the best quantum board I have ever used for it's size. It's simply an amazing light. For what NL charges for it, imho, it is an extremely good value.

Oh, how did it yield? Not sure yet, but close enough to get close. Five autos, minimally trained, no intention of going whole hog on them. Knew they'd be smallish plants. Knew I wouldn't get super high yields. Was okay with that cuz this was a quality assessment grow. Well, the first two SBs are 2 z's apiece. 3 and 4 are likely 3 z's apiece. And the Gelato is likely 4. I'm estimating 14 ounces from these five plants under the 420h.

Almost a pound. From a quantum board. In my experience that's damn okay.

There is no downside to this light. If you have it, or maybe if you recently won it as I did, you are one very psyched guy or gal.

THANK YOU SO MUCH NEXTLIGHT for your amazing sponsorship and support for all of us. I feel safe speaking for the group when I say that we all really appreciate it. Awesome job.

EDIT: DUH, it would help to actually post the picture. Lol. Here you go.

Small bud off today harvest.jpg
 
Now that you've had a chance to grow in coco and have previously grown in soil; what would you estimate is the increase in yield using coco versus soil?
I just want to make a side point while we wait for Jon's answer. I am not sure there is an automatic increase in yield just because of using coco. I would submit that there might be a slight increase in yield simply because like a hydroponic setup, they are getting fed two or three times a day, and this is a decided advantage over a plant being grown organically, letting the plant decide how much to eat and not being fed aggressively. If one was to aggressively feed in a coco grow, I can see the plants getting bigger, because the grower is gardening like a boss and fertilizing like they mean it. To the contrary, if someone is following the advice out there warning to feed very lightly, giving only a bare subsistence diet while in the coco, I would expect a lighter yield than compared to an organic soil grow. Comparing someone aggressively feeding a regular soil grow using synthetic nutes with a coco grow, I think then the comparison has to be in each of the gardeners resolves to feed like they mean it, or not. The sizes of each comparison plant would then be exactly in proportion to the amount of feed they got, not a difference between coco and soil.
 
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