What a great idea and thanks. I still have to read but great post.I’ll just post the entire entry, sorry for doubling up @Jon but figured anyone following along not engaging would like to see it all.
Leaves droop and rise during lights out as well, so I'm not so sure that drooping leaves is a sign of too much DLI.
I 100% disagree with that Azi. I have seen tent growers back their lights off 2 hours and send certain varieties into flower from 18/6 to 16/8. I've also seen too many folks move plants outside from 18/6 to whatever they're getting in late spring (14/10?) and send their plants into flower.
Not me.
They're being pretty wishy washy with their recommendations. If that's they're approach they should say for expert growers only. Since you're sticking by their chart you will end up seeing what a new grower would experience.
All I meant was you told me 12 hours is the sweet spot for flower. Sorry if I misrepresented you. The other stuff is all awesome and I was hoping you would express your opinion.
Also - not sure I’m correct about the droop at midnight equaling lower light. Just conjecture, and not relating to DLI (though perhaps it does). But I don’t fear 20/4 to 18/6. I’d fear anything else. Appreciate the heads up on the potential peril.
I wouldn’t say wish washy so much as a bit different the way they intended than the way they present it. A bit of elocution in the chart text would at least give a heads up. But I don’t disagree - they’re a little tough and probably not the best choice for a raw newbie.
I don't recall thinking there's a sweet spot for flower. In nature it's only 12/12 for one day.
I track flower on my outdoor grow. The calendar says the 1st day of flower coincides with the 1st day under 15 hours of light for 3 years running now. Thats August 7th where I live. No science there but its a real life thing.
For every variety? That's consistent! When I used to flower by the sun I would see pistils any time from mid to late July depending on the variety. I see similar variations across this site with sativas always showing pistils later than indicas.
I have only grown 2 50/50 hybrids, both the same strain, 2 years in a row, and 1 full Indica strain. Same day for all 3. I did grow a Candida CD-1 sativa pheno but I didnt track it. It finished the same day as the hybrid so it would have been close.
I’m very familiar with the Peacock Bass and would see numerous people fishing for them in the Miami area. Personally I’m a Saltwater fisherman and prefer Snook fishing. It’s also one of the best tasting fish Imo that compares to Grouper. CLSunday Off Topic
Any fisherman out there? Do you like badass fish who are gorgeous and pound for pound outfight everything in Florida except maybe a tarpon?
Say hello to the Peacock Bass. Not really a bass. A cichlid. Native to South America where they grow to 30+ pounds. In Florida the record is smaller but in the teens. This guy was all of about two pounds. He fought like a four or five pound largemouth. They’re smart too. They don’t run and jump like a bass. They head sideways, fast, and head right for the weeds when you hook them. Badass fish. Never eaten one but I hear they taste delicious. Fabulous canal fishing trips in the Miami canal system specifically for these highly sought after sport fish abound, the Peacocks have taken over there. Here I catch one maybe every fourth fish. Biggest I’ve caught was a four pounder and whoa did he put me through the ringer on 6-lb test. They spot on the tail is one of their defenses/camouflage, as it appears as an eye to other fish.
Enjoy this beautiful animal.
A conversation we had when I did my first outdoor grow and was trying to figure out when was safe to put outside. The solstice discussion if you recall. That’s where I got the impression, right or wrong. Regardless it’s irrelevant. They flower at 12/12 indoors without fail, and 18/6 to 12/12 works perfectly. I ain’t quibbling over a half hour of light.
Nice work!
I think you're right. With the caveat that I don't grow outdoors, I think there is a significant difference between the effect of a minimal light change indoor vs outdoor. Maybe Shed is right about the flip to flower beginning on the summer solstice with the most minimal reduction in light hours. Outdoors.
I wonder if there is an actual science behind this common practice. The plant is pretty good at translocating things around its structure as needed and does so regularly. In nature the "fans shading bud sites" do not naturally fall away to allow more bud growth but rather continue to act as solar panels gathering more light than the smaller leaves on the buds themselves would be able to.
I think its all in how you want to manipulate your plant. I have played with this a bit. When I bend a leaf down and open light to a branch attached to that leaf I get a faster growing branch than when I remove the leaf, but if I get a cola that just grows too fast and I need to slow it down I remove a few leaves. If I need to speed a cola up I leave the leaves but prune out a few bottom branches. There is something there but its a juggling act. I even made construction paper dunce caps to place over faster growing colas to let the others catch up. A couple hours a day for a few days works.I wonder if there is an actual science behind this common practice. The plant is pretty good at translocating things around its structure as needed and does so regularly. In nature the "fans shading bud sites" do not naturally fall away to allow more bud growth but rather continue to act as solar panels gathering more light than the smaller leaves on the buds themselves would be able to.
I know it's common practice and makes us feel like we are helping, but I wonder if there is actually anything to it.
