Jon's Dedicated Fruity Pebble Cookies Grow Plus The Mystery Plant

Hey Bill, how you doing? Yup, I sure do, and yup, great minds think alike. I'm going on a Johnny Appleseed run through the entire neighborhood while I walk Molly at night before bed when there's nobody out. Remember my first scrog attempt that went seedy? I have 100s of seeds from that doing nothing. They're getting scattered before I go for sure. Lmao!!
I'm good thanks my friend, hope your well.
That's fantastic.
I always thought about doing it then I left the house in a big hurry and forgot. ;)
I did find the Mason jar the container is in though.
So I can do it somewhere, farrrr from my garden. :laugh:

Stay safe
Bill
 
Morning Jon! Too bad about Nova. How's the Lemon Mimosa looking? Mine is almost ready for it's transplant. Either you're ignoring me or you've missed my last 2 posts. Have a great day!
Hey @BubbaKush909 - I would never ignore you brother! Probably just missed them. Yeah, the 'Cats lost that game in the first six minutes. You can't score 5 points in 6 minutes against Kansas and expect to come back from an almost 20 point deficit. Not often in college ball anyway. They gave it a decent shot in the second half when they cut it to 5, but that was it. Oh well.

I don't have a Lemon Mimosa going. I know we talked about that but I never popped one. It wouldn't pop - I couldn't get it to even crack. Might have been an old seed, it was a gift. The Jack Herer and Zkittlez I soaked at the same time are up and on day 11 today, and looking good.

Nice on yours though! How big is she?
 
Good Morning @Emilya, want to play Monday Morning Musings with me?

I was looking around my grow room and thinking I'm pretty lucky. I have space, warmth, technology, etc...whatever I need to grow a plant however I want pretty much. Specifically as tall as I want, as the 5x5 is 9 feet tall.

I started to think about the people who DON'T have unlimited vertical space, and wondering what I would do were I in that position. There's a lot of folks on here doing radical things to create space. I've seen a 5x5 laying on it's side and used horizontally even.

That got me wondering about pot plant roots and how they grow. It seems to me that much of the wasted space in a grow, especially if you are pressed for height, is from the height of the pot. That's a foot or more right there, and seemingly nothing that can be done about that particular thing. Sure, it's not a lot of space. But what if you only have two or three feet to grow the plant? Suddenly that foot of a pot matters a lot.

But maybe there is a way to mitigate the height of the pot for folks in such a position.

What would happen if you grew a plant, instead of in a 5 gallon pot, in a 5 gallon TRAY? Like a 5 gallon baking dish type thing. So it's maybe 4-6" tall, and as wide as it would be to make 5 gallons. Can one grow a pot plant in a tray like that? That would require the plant's roots to go horizontal after just a few days and force the roots to grow along the tray, rather than down. Same volume as a pot. Would the plant grow like that? Will pot plant roots spread to find what they need in that manner?

You see where I'm going here, right? Got any thoughts?
 
That would be pretty much be a 'grow in place' set-up as that tray would likely be too ackward to take in and out. I know a bunch of growers use a similar idea but in more of a built-in raised bed type of thing. Seems to work out for them.

Cannabis has two different types of roots, surface roots and deeper ones so you'd essentially be turning them all into surface roots. Wonder if the deeper ones just get sacrificed or if they compete somehow with the surface roots.

Good question, @Jon .
 
That would be pretty much be a 'grow in place' set-up as that tray would likely be too ackward to take in and out. I know a bunch of growers use a similar idea but in more of a built-in raised bed type of thing. Seems to work out for them.

Cannabis has two different types of roots, surface roots and deeper ones so you'd essentially be turning them all into surface roots. Wonder if the deeper ones just get sacrificed or if they compete somehow with the surface roots.

Good question, @Jon .
Thanks Azi. Yeah it's sort of like raised beds, and yes, it would eliminate the "move the plant around" thing. I was thinking about those 4x4 trays you can get on the Zon that cover your whole tent floor and act as the drain pad for whatever plants you put in it. Those are only about 4" tall. I wonder if you could simply fill that with soil and grow like three or four plants in it and just place the seeds as equidistant from one another as possible?
 
Thanks Azi. Yeah it's sort of like raised beds, and yes, it would eliminate the "move the plant around" thing. I was thinking about those 4x4 trays you can get on the Zon that cover your whole tent floor and act as the drain pad for whatever plants you put in it. Those are only about 4" tall. I wonder if you could simply fill that with soil and grow like three or four plants in it and just place the seeds as equidistant from one another as possible?
Morning Jon , I’ve seen the 4’x4’x4” trays used for hydro. He just laid 6”x6” rockwool blocks in it and just fed once a day (flood and drain) . Hadn’t seen anyone try soil in it , but I bet if you had the rockwool off in the soil it would work ? I know he’s not here no more but I’ll see if I can find his thread , this is one I didn’t bookmark.
 
Morning Jon , I’ve seen the 4’x4’x4” trays used for hydro. He just laid 6”x6” rockwool blocks in it and just fed once a day (flood and drain) . Hadn’t seen anyone try soil in it , but I bet if you had the rockwool off in the soil it would work ? I know he’s not here no more but I’ll see if I can find his thread , this is one I didn’t bookmark.
Thanks West. Yeah I don't see why it wouldn't, unless pot plants aren't really "built" for the root system to work that way. Maybe it would compromise growth. But who knows? Maybe it would accelerate it. I haven't seen anyone do it yet so I don't know.
 
Full Monday State of Play
Mostly Pictorial


Since the pictures have explanations we'll just get right to it.

We'll start with the Mystery Plant, or SPUDBC. This is just the straight up strangest thing I've ever seen. What a mess of a plant. I have no idea if all revegged plants go through this super nasty looking stage between when they started budding and then went back to veg or not, but I'm naming her Quasimodo. That beats Mystery Plant and seems apropos. Say hello to Quasimodo, which I just made a unisex name. Lol.

She only seems to want to make leaves with three points. I thought this would stop and they'd go back to five pointed leaves like they used to be, but so far, nope. All tri-leaves. Weird. And the branches are not like normal branches on a vegging or even a flowering plant. They're like tough, small, very flexible yet strong, little side branches or something. I don't even know how to describe them. And, they are still shooting pistils, albeit far less of them. Again...weird. See what I'm saying?

Anyway, I gave her a new base today and lowered her from the bucket.


And voila! Instant canopy! Lol.

Meanwhile, our two little auto babies are doing just fine on day 11, even if the Zkittlez is a bit prettier so far.

If you were wondering, as I was, how Fulvia was going to look a day after up potting, it doesn't seem to have bothered her all that much. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is only 18 hours later. It's time for me to decide what it is I'm going to do with Fulvia in terms of training. At least we'll top a bunch of stuff. That may be it. I may let her go relatively au natural.

And here's Elora. This is the plant I'm going all @West Hippie on,
and attempting to model West's training style with her. Thanks for the assist on this one West.

Moving on to the Watermelon WeddingCake auto in the 3x3. It appears the stretch has begun.
Today she is all standing straight up like this (the middle stems of the plant as shown here) and the leaves on them are beginning to pray at a greater angle. Hopefully you can see what I mean here.

And it appears my last second toppings are going to work/take.
These next three pictures are the three side branches I chose to top, thinking please let it not be too late. Note the pistils beginning.



Here's her main topping point beginning to stretch.

Here she is from overhead.
Damn this plant got wide for a relatively untrained plant.

And finally, here's a pretty cool picture of the @NextLight 420h reflecting off a fan in the 3x3 above the WWC.


This concludes our photo tour of the grow room as a whole as we begin yet another week. Good luck this week everyone, may your plants flourish.
 
I don't think that plants lacking a good deep root system would be able to stand up with much weight on the buds... I would be afraid they would uproot themselves and tend to fall over. Taller is always better than wider with deep rooting heavily fruiting plants. As far as keeping the plants short, I believe there are better methods, such as always keeping the increasing light levels at just below the maximum the plants can handle. If they are not seeking brighter light, they have no reason to stretch to outrageous limits. Stretch doesn't necessarily mean they have to double in size, not if they are happy with the light they are getting, and typically my plants stretch only enough to make room for the buds that will be building. With 6'6" ceilings in my grow rooms, plants doubling in size would be a disaster.
 
I don't think that plants lacking a good deep root system would be able to stand up with much weight on the buds... I would be afraid they would uproot themselves and tend to fall over. Taller is always better than wider with deep rooting heavily fruiting plants. As far as keeping the plants short, I believe there are better methods, such as always keeping the increasing light levels at just below the maximum the plants can handle. If they are not seeking brighter light, they have no reason to stretch to outrageous limits. Stretch doesn't necessarily mean they have to double in size, not if they are happy with the light they are getting, and typically my plants stretch only enough to make room for the buds that will be building. With 6'6" ceilings in my grow rooms, plants doubling in size would be a disaster.
Funny, after thinking about it more I came to a similar set of conclusions, and what you report here about light/stretch is exactly what my experience says too. Thanks. Really just thinking out loud. Hadn't at the time considered the support structure the roots provide, I was only thinking about feeding. Sort of like, sure, they'll grow that way, but you'll never get an appreciable taproot/support roots. Only feeders all around. Which would almost inevitably lead to plant laying on the floor. Lol.
 
Funny, after thinking about it more I came to a similar set of conclusions, and what you report here about light/stretch is exactly what my experience says too. Thanks. Really just thinking out loud. Hadn't at the time considered the support structure the roots provide, I was only thinking about feeding. Sort of like, sure, they'll grow that way, but you'll never get an appreciable taproot/support roots. Only feeders all around. Which would almost inevitably lead to plant laying on the floor. Lol.
Also relevant, the Fruity Pebble Cookies plant Fulvia, the big one - She's pretty damn big right now. If she doubles in size were I to flip her today, she'd be majestic at around 5 feet tall. I want to go seven, so I was thinking to flip her at 3.5 feet tall, or create the canopy at that point or whatever. But if I leave her go au natural and don't create the usual canopy thing, which I think is what I want to do, I'm a bit concerned that what if she triples in size? I know how to handle it, but it seemed relevant to the discussion. A relatively non trained plant is going to stretch more than a plant divided into 50 tops every time I would say. I have yet to have a really trained out and large number of tops plant even double in size.
 
Lately I have been upscaling my light intensity all along, and I haven't seen a large 2x stretch since I have been doing this. My first grow in this house had my MEGA installed up at the ceiling, and I got a big stretch that time, two of my plants ended up growing into the light. Now I have things fine tuned, and from the start of veg, I begin dialing up the light. My seedlings get 7k lux to coax them out above ground, and every time a new leaf set comes out, I increase the lighting. Early veg will see no more than 18k lux but as veg continues and the plants start beefing up, I raise it even more, up to 45k lux or so at the end of veg, by switching from the Mars SP-3000 to the 420h. Then they move to bloom, where they get hit with even brighter light from the MEGA, and now I know to lower that thing right down on them to let them know that there is no need to stretch. The last three grows and across multiple strains has convinced me that this is exactly how to avoid excessive stretch and I would estimate that the last 3 grows did not stretch more than 10% in the first 3 weeks of bloom.
 
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Seems intriguing. I'm going to try it. Will report and show results.
 
Lately I have been upscaling my light intensity all along, and I haven't seen a large 2x stretch since I have been doing this. My first grow in this house had my MEGA installed up at the ceiling, and I got a big stretch that time, two of my plants ended up growing into the light. Now I have things fine tuned, and from the start of veg, I begin dialing up the light. My seedlings get 7k lux to coax them out above ground, and every time a new leaf set comes out, I increase the lighting. Early veg will see no more than 18k lux but as veg continues and the plants start beefing up, I raise it even more, up to 45k lux or so at the end of veg, by switching from the Mars SP-3000 to the 420h. Then they move to bloom, where they get hit with even brighter light from the MEGA, and now I know to lower that thing right down on them to let them know that there is no need to stretch. The last three grows and across multiple strains has convinced me that this is exactly how to avoid excessive stretch and I would estimate that the last 3 grows did not stretch more than 10% in the first 3 weeks of bloom.
I hear you. This is my whole thing with the light - to ride on the edge of disaster at all times. Lmao. Push push push. The next logical stop being CO2 and the Fohse Aries.
 
Hi @Bill284, happy Monday. I ran out of the Boogie Black frass with the up potting of Fulvia, so I got some more. Stuff already got here! Only I switched it up to what you see in the picture. The Boogie Black was fine but came very crappily packaged with the stuff loose in the bottom of the wrap bag all over the place. I wasn't impressed. Figured the box would be more fool proof. I guess this stuff will be the same thing, yes?

New frass.jpg
 
Hi @Bill284, happy Monday. I ran out of the Boogie Black frass with the up potting of Fulvia, so I got some more. Stuff already got here! Only I switched it up to what you see in the picture. The Boogie Black was fine but came very crappily packaged with the stuff loose in the bottom of the wrap bag all over the place. I wasn't impressed. Figured the box would be more fool proof. I guess this stuff will be the same thing, yes?

New frass.jpg
Looks good.
Are there any added "secret ingredients " ?

Not used to it having npk levels like that.

Stay safe
Bill
 
Looks good.
Are there any added "secret ingredients " ?

Not used to it having npk levels like that.

Stay safe
Bill
Nope. All is says is 100% derived from the casings of the black whatever fly. The Boogie Black also did not have the NPK numbers, I figured it didn't have them or something. 3-1-1. Wonder if they're all in that range? I like the N amount though, and the relative neutrality of it in general. Should be great. Now I want to know what the numbers on bokashi are. Lol.
 
Nope. All is says is 100% derived from the casings of the black whatever fly. The Boogie Black also did not have the NPK numbers, I figured it didn't have them or something. 3-1-1. Wonder if they're all in that range? I like the N amount though, and the relative neutrality of it in general. Should be great. Now I want to know what the numbers on bokashi are. Lol.
Microbes and fungi nothing beats them. :thumb:

Stay safe
Bill
 
Microbes and fungi nothing beats them. :thumb:

Stay safe
Bill
Yeah well so I guess the 3-1-1 is what the nutes are that these particular microbes will produce? Is that what this means?
 
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