Jon's Dedicated Fruity Pebble Cookies Grow Plus The Mystery Plant

Hey @Azimuth, just by chance we have a real-life, real-time update on exactly what we are discussing.

I'm finding the FPCs are more light sensitive than many a plant I've grown. They don't want to be higher than 700 ppfd now or they begin to yellow at the tips. You can see it on the new growth. I just checked on them, and found I needed to lower Fulvia, the taller of the two. In coco they grow so fast you can literally measure it daily with a ruler. So they get up into higher par numbers quickly and need a lot of attention in that regard. I moved the plant a bit lower back into the 600's ppfd by transferring it to a shorter bucket. Next move is to the floor and I lower the light.

So here's the top of Fulvia before the move. Looks perfect, right?

Not quite perfect. She's starting to get yellow tips at the uppermost point on the plant. See? The tip at 9 o'clock is the worst one.

I also noticed she's not praying *quite* like the other plant. This is an advantage to growing the same strain. Reference point right next door. This also told me to lower her (or raise the light, I do it this way for now.). Here's how they look after I changed out the buckets, with Fulvia now lower than Elora. Also notice how Elora is praying vs. how Fulvia is praying. This will begin to match now over the next couple hours. We want what Elora, the plant on the left, is doing.

Here's two pictures of the before and after bucket height to show you how small of a move it was. I still want them at the very top they can go in terms of riding on the edge of no return ppfd-wise. To ride the tip of the wave as I do requires more attention. I don't recommend it. Lmao.


Anyway, this is precisely what I was talking about in the previous post, just worked out that I could show you. For what it's worth.
 
Hi @Azimuth - thanks for the question, I'm no expert but I'll do the best I can.

I tend to bring my light level up gradually from the very beginning. Here's a very rough reference point that I sort of use:

Seedlings - 300-500 ppfd
Early Veg - up to 700 ppfd
Late Veg - up to 900 ppfd
Early Flower - up to 1100 ppfd
Late Flower - as high as the plants can take without showing signs of burning from too much light - cap at 1400 because I don't run CO2.

Those are approximations, I will raise or lower any of those depending on how the plant responds. If I see any of this:

- curling on the leaf tips up or down (in veg they tend to shy away from too much light and curl down, in flower they seem to curl up and lose their viability faster)
- taco-ing of leaves
- yellowing tips and I've ruled out nute burn
- stalled growth when everything seems to be perfect that doesn't make sense
- overall yellowing of upper leaves
- red spotting on leaves - the tiny red spots ringed in copper or something like that
- dark green leaves starting to pale on lower part of plant

those tell me that I'm hitting them with too much light. I adjust accordingly. When I check the plants for signs I almost always measure with the Phototone app to make sure. Before and after numbers so I have the reference points in my head-ish. A note on that app: there are some "full spectrum" LEDs that will not give you accurate readings on the full spectrum setting. Some LEDs, despite being full spectrum, hit the app as more Red/Blue than full spectrum. My good light in the big tent, with it's massive red and blue spectral peaks and less of the mid yellows and greens, is such a light. On full spectrum right now it says my plants are getting 1500 ppfd. Well obviously that's incorrect or they'd be fried. Yes, they would be at 1500 par in veg under LED in a tent. On Red/Blue I get accurate readings with it, and they register at around 650 at the moment at the tops of the Fruity Pebble Cookies. This is after I lowered from around 800. I was seeing if I could push it, and they said too much and showed me a few yellow tips and leaves starting to curl down on the tips and I cut it back. They responded immediately with better prayer angle, increased rate of water uptake (growth), and no more yellow or curling tips.

So I guess I just read the plants and use the above as rough guides or reference points. Unfortunately I don't have a great source material to direct you towards, as I've read so much about light I don't know which way is up. I have a webinar coming up to watch on April 6th from Maximum Yield that's a couple industry experts talking about maxing yields with high intensity LEDs. I get my info from everywhere, including from people here, and put it all together, mash it around, and come up with what works for me.

You might check in on what @Emilya has going on with the red light in her grows now. It's very interesting and an awesome and useful experiment in increasing trichome production with red shifts and such.

Can you show a picture of what your plants that you refer to as ready to move to flower look like right now? If so I can offer my two cents on a good starting point. Also, what is your light and space size. Those three things I need to know to give you a recommendation.

Does any of that help you?
Perfect. Thanks @Jon :thanks:

This will give me a jumping off point.
 
Perfect. Thanks @Jon :thanks:

This will give me a jumping off point.
Please use it only as such, lmao. I'd ask others too. Everyone seems to have their own thing with light, and I'm not saying my way is the best way, just that it seems to be working alright for me.
 
Please use it only as such, lmao. I'd ask others too. Everyone seems to have their own thing with light, and I'm not saying my way is the best way, just that it seems to be working alright for me.
And is there a way to translate it or compare it to Lux #'s?
 
Mystery Plant (Strawberry Pineapple Upside Down Banana Cake, ie, SPUDBC)
New Digs!!!!


I decided if I'm going to take the Mystery plant seriously and spend all this time on her, I might as well give her a better chance to be special. So tonight I up potted her from her 3 to a 5. Since I'm out of Sohum and that's her soil base, this is what I did:

Bottom of pot: Fox Farms Ocean Forest, bokashi, frass
Middle of pot: 50% FF OF/50% soil from spent soil pile, bokashi, frass
Top of pot: Spent soil from the pile, bokashi, frass

Then I top dressed her a dose of GeoFlora Veg, just around the edges/new soil. I watered the medium to meld the old and the new and activate the new stuff with water/FF Microbe Brew/Easy Weed/Cal Mag plus Iron.

That ought to make our girl a little happier. The roots were far too grown into the bag for me to press the plant out of it like with a Dixie cup, and try as I did I couldn't get the damn thing out of the three. I ended up cutting the 3 gallon pot away from the root ball and doing it that way. Lost a 3. Pffft.

Here she is in her new digs, with shots to show the top and how our supercropping is doing two days into the bending spree, and a picture of her back at home after the up potting and a bit of confusing defoliation.

MP new digs.jpg


MP overhead post up potting and defol.jpg


MP supercrop on day 2.jpg


Back home post up potting the MP.jpg
 
Watermelon WeddingCake Auto
Day 26


This plant seems to grow wider faster than it does taller. Very curious to see what she does when she starts to stretch. I topped three of the side branches, since I felt I still could and three were ready with the two little tops already started. So I'm done with any topping on this plant, and all I'll do now is watch her go and spread the branches evenly out. See what she's got. She has these gigantic fan leaves, but overall she's not particularly leafy, so I don't expect to have to do a whole lot of defol on this one. We'll see, but it would be cool to take her all the way without ever taking a single leaf for her entire lifetime. So far I have not. This might be a plant I can do that on. She continues on Week 1 of the flower part of the @Prescription Blend feed chart through Monday, starts week two on Tuesday. The only real difference the rest of the way is the amount of Big Data. Everything else pretty much stays the same, which makes mixing as easy as pie. So many things to like about these nutes. This is the second consecutive plant I used them on, and it's the second consecutive plant to not have the slightest blemish since birth. First was a photo in soil, this is an auto in coco. Working effectively across different mediums - SWEET. :adore:

Here she is from the top and side this morning. Happy Saturday. 'Nova nation is primed and ready for 6:04.

WWC 4 2.jpg


WWC 4 2 side shot.jpg
 
Gorillatown on April 2nd

This (currently) veg tent is finally starting to look like a real veg tent, lol. I'm liking what I'm seeing here. Good lord just look at the rate of growth in coco of the Fruity Pebble Cookies. The Mystery plant is easily two weeks ahead of them, and side by side Fulvia is practically as big as she is already. Astounding.

Here's a front and back view of the tent as a whole.

Gorillatown from the front side.jpg


Gorillatown from the back side.jpg
 
Well, @West Hippie suggested she could use a little jewelry, and after a couple days of bending and having them spring right back up (just like predicted, lol), I got sick of it. So I took the suggestion and gave her some necklaces. Just plastic coated Vigoro wire in a loop with a heavy sinker on the end. Only took one so far. Two seconds to make, two seconds to hang. Easy. Effective. Great idea. Thanks West!

Jewelry 2.jpg


Jewelry 1.jpg
 
Well, @West Hippie suggested she could use a little jewelry, and after a couple days of bending and having them spring right back up (just like predicted, lol), I got sick of it. So I took the suggestion and gave her some necklaces. Just plastic coated Vigoro wire in a loop with a heavy sinker on the end. Only took one so far. Two seconds to make, two seconds to hang. Easy. Effective. Great idea. Thanks West!

Jewelry 2.jpg


Jewelry 1.jpg
Hi @Michael Hunt, I noticed you emoji-ed a post or two. How you doing man? Hope life is treating you well. When you going to be back up, or are you already?
 
Fulvia Up Potting Day
Veg Day 33


I still wasn't getting what I wanted from Fulvia after lowering her, so I turned to my next target, her roots. She was by no means rootbound or anything, but her roots were all the way out to the edge and coming out all the drain holes on the bottom, which in this pot are around the outside edges only, so good indicators of edge roots. She was ready for a bigger pad. So this morning she got up potted into her final home, an @GeoPot 7 gallon high-end cloth pot. A new one! I checked Elora the same way, she isn't ready yet.

The root ball held together no problem, even if I could have waited a few days. Glad I went when I did. The 3 to 7 is about as big an up potting as I can handle with no help. It was quite a chore, and included a thorough tent clean and a pest spray for all the plants. Also cleaning the entire garage, especially around the tent. This one is not up on palates.

She got up potted into the same coco mix she's already in, ie, coco, perlite, bokashi, and frass, with a thorough hole dusting of Great White before dropping in the plant, and then watered the medium as a whole with PB Week 4 Veg nutes plus 2 tsp. of Fox Farms Microbe Brew.

So here's the up potting action, in order of before, during, after, and back home in the tent, with a comparison shot for size between the two plants.

Fulvia overhead before up potting to a 7.jpg


Fulvia side before up potting to a 7.jpg


Fulvia in the middle of the process.jpg


Fulvia new home in a geopot 7 of coco.jpg


Fulvia new home overhead shot post up potting.jpg


Fulvia and Elora side by side comparison post up potting.jpg


The girls back home post transplant cleaning rearranging buckets.jpg
 
Fulvia Up Potting Day
Veg Day 33


I still wasn't getting what I wanted from Fulvia after lowering her, so I turned to my next target, her roots. She was by no means rootbound or anything, but her roots were all the way out to the edge and coming out all the drain holes on the bottom, which in this pot are around the outside edges only, so good indicators of edge roots. She was ready for a bigger pad. So this morning she got up potted into her final home, an @GeoPot 7 gallon high-end cloth pot. A new one! I checked Elora the same way, she isn't ready yet.

The root ball held together no problem, even if I could have waited a few days. Glad I went when I did. The 3 to 7 is about as big an up potting as I can handle with no help. It was quite a chore, and included a thorough tent clean and a pest spray for all the plants. Also cleaning the entire garage, especially around the tent. This one is not up on palates.

She got up potted into the same coco mix she's already in, ie, coco, perlite, bokashi, and frass, with a thorough hole dusting of Great White before dropping in the plant, and then watered the medium as a whole with PB Week 4 Veg nutes plus 2 tsp. of Fox Farms Microbe Brew.

So here's the up potting action, in order of before, during, after, and back home in the tent, with a comparison shot for size between the two plants.

Fulvia overhead before up potting to a 7.jpg


Fulvia side before up potting to a 7.jpg


Fulvia in the middle of the process.jpg


Fulvia new home in a geopot 7 of coco.jpg


Fulvia new home overhead shot post up potting.jpg


Fulvia and Elora side by side comparison post up potting.jpg


The girls back home post transplant cleaning rearranging buckets.jpg
Hi @Jon, nice work and the plants have a very nice color;)
 
Nice color, and pretty good size for a 1 day old plant. You never know. Good luck! :goodluck:
LMAO!!! Just joking, but I think she's more like 7 days old. Lol!
 
The Other Plants in Gorillatown
Jack Herer Auto Day 10
Zkittlez Auto Day 10
Mystery Plant (Strawberry Pineapple Upside Down Banana Cake) Photo Day ?


Zkittlez 10.jpg


Jack 10.jpg


MP 4 3 #1.jpg


MP 4 3 #2.jpg


Gorillatown environment 4 3.jpg
Hey Jon do you have any old seeds.
Dam if I had of been thinking I could have scattered a pile of seeds in the garden before I moved.
For the next couple years plants would be popping up everywhere.
Blue Dream hermie seeds, I have a 100 of them :rofl:
You could leave a little legacy in your neighborhood when you leave. :laugh:
And btw your garden is terrific. :thumb:

Stay safe
Bill
 
Hey Jon do you have any old seeds.
Dam if I had of been thinking I could have scattered a pile of seeds in the garden before I moved.
For the next couple years plants would be popping up everywhere.
Blue Dream hermie seeds, I have a 100 of them :rofl:
You could leave a little legacy in your neighborhood when you leave. :laugh:
And btw your garden is terrific. :thumb:

Stay safe
Bill
Hey Bill, how you doing? Yup, I sure do, and yup, great minds think alike. I'm going on a Johnny Appleseed run through the entire neighborhood while I walk Molly at night before bed when there's nobody out. Remember my first scrog attempt that went seedy? I have 100s of seeds from that doing nothing. They're getting scattered before I go for sure. Lmao!!
 
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