Jon705's Multi Strain HPS LED Hybrid System

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No problem man im here to learn but i cant keep up with you guys i come back to check and there im smacked with 2 pages of thread again.
lmao...most of my journals move pretty fast but this one is crazy bro, theres alot of people interested in suppersoil and alot interested in led's, im thinking thats the reason this thread is moving so fast:)
 
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Ok so I just transplanted 1 Northern lights and 1 Sweet Deep Grapefruit into the organic soil, all I did was add alot of perlite to it because there isnt any in it, one thing I noticed right off the hop is it doesnt drain anywhere near as fast as promix.I also transplanted 1 N/L and 2 SDG into promix just for a comparison, if clones dont like the organic stuff right away I ll just transplant them into 1/4 gallon pots of promix for the first 2 weeks until they grow a nice little root ball and then try them again in the organic soil.
 
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I am switching completely to soil bro, im sick of trying to guess wtf is causing this and wtf is causing that,

that my friend is why me and hydro/coco will never dance. :cheesygrinsmiley: Plus I am feeble and would think I did this or that only to find I just thought I did it... :cheesygrinsmiley: soil is safer for my ladies!! :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
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I realize that. My concern would be the "WTF do I do with this sick soil plant?" moments. I'd have no idea. With hydro, I can flush the res at least! :blalol:
thats true but other than the base soil ive copied Sub's recipe to the T so hopefully the only problem I have is the SS running out of nutes before they finish and I have to topdress or feed them a tea. I flushed the res twice with the last grow and it didnt help one bit, either way its just something I will have to dial in over time, it just felt right to make the switch now, its looking like my dream designated growshop is going to become a reality in a few months, nows the time to figure out the SS recipe:)
 
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I gotta say im very impressed with the combination of rapid rooters and clonex! I rarely have any problems with clones exept for that dam Blue OG lol..which is the reason I tried this combo. I cut these clones really late on the 2nd of july and 6.5 days later we have roots and theres not 1 yellow spot anywhere! looks like this might be my new combo:)
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nice job with the clones,

ive never flushed my plants as ive not needed to, but some growers in soil flush a week or more before harvest to remove any nutrients, but thats only if their using nutrients, with super soil you wouldnt need to and i dont think you need to with bpn, the only time id flush soil is if i had problems after feeding nutrients, if my plants where looking bad then id flush and start with weak nutes again,

i dont flush before harvest i just stop giving bpn for the last 7 to 10 days, but even when ive not let them go that long ive not had issues with bad tasting bud, so i guess bpn doesnt cause the problems some other nutrients do, at least if not noticed any bad tastes when ive harvested after just a few days of the last feed,

you know they say dont mix the nutrients neat, well i thought id see what happens, so i got some bpn and a small tub, i added a few ml of each of the grow,micro and bloom, i left it about an hour then checked it and it had turned to like some sort of crystal type stuff, it had a crust on top and a crust on the bottom with the liquid trapped in the middle, so now i know why they say dont mix the nutes neat,

i was just interested to find out why they say add 1 at a time, it seems they have some sort of reaction when mixed neat, when i added the micro to the grow i noticed it starting to fizz slightly, wonder whats causing the reaction,
 
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@Hiker, ive had very little problems growing in soil, plants deal with things a lot better in soil as the soil helps with any issues like over nutes or anything like that, you can flush soil the same as your would with hydro,

soil also acts like a pretty decent buffer so you dont need as much control as you do with hydro, plus if you see a problem in soil grown plants then you got time to put it right before things get to bad, with hydro if you dont notice the problem then it can get worse a lot quicker compared to soil,

Hi Don :Namaste:

I have grown in soil before. Like most growers, that's where I started. I went through a pretty typical progression: bag seed in dirt from the back yard --> bag seed in "real" potting soil under a shop light --> bag seed in soil under HID (MH and HPS) --> bag seed (by this time I had a decent mother) in soiless mix of vermiculite and perlite under HID --> flood & drain in trays under HID --> Ebb & Gro (like I'm using now) under HID. I think a lot of us went through a similar path.

While I'm becoming more and more interested in soil for various reasons, I'm not ready to start any experimenting. It will be another few crops before I start any experimenting. I've barely begun to dial in my grow. The flower environment is good, but that's only the start. :)

You're very right that plants will show signs of stress quicker in hydro. How is that a bad thing though? First, remember that we are not growing plants, we grow roots. The plant just happens as a result of our roots. OK now that we've settled that... In soil, when you see a problem in the plant, that usually means the problem has been at the roots for much longer. The counterpart to this is recovery. In either medium, when we see a sign of a deficiency or stress, we take action. In hydro, I see the results of my action much quicker. In soil, I'm left hoping I chose the right course of action. I'm sorry, but I do not think this is a benefit soil has over hydro, but again, this is all my opinion. :winkyface:

the only difference between soil and hydro is speed of growth, some say soil grown plants grow better quality buds taste wise but i cant notice the difference myself so if their is any difference its only very slight, hydro does tend to grow slightly quicker but theirs a lot to keep in check when growing with hydro, with soil its less to worry about, just feed nutrients when you water then you dont need to do anything for the next few days, no res to change, no ppm to really check,

Some folks believe that bud grown correctly, according to their preferences, in soil, will always taste better than the same bud grown in hydro. I am NOT one who subscribes to this belief. I'm not saying whether it's true or not. I don't know. This is something I will never take someone else's word for since things like taste are such subjective qualities. Once I've gotten to know some of my strains better, I will be conducting an experiment to test exactly this assertion. While it's not happening soon, I'd like to do one in a water only super soil and another with Doc's high Brix kit.

I've always been puzzled when I hear that hydro is harder. My hydro maintenance routines consists of the following. Several times a day I go down there and look at the meter. Some of those times I write down the numbers. Most of the time I don't. If the lights are on, I will say hello to the ladies. I'll peek at the mommies. Smoke a bowl, then head back upstairs. Once a week, I change the reservoir. This involves disconnecting the fill tube from my res and connecting the tube that goes to my drain. Then I just unplug the fill pump from the extension cord that leads to the controller bucket, and plug it in. That drains the res. Then I have another pump in my RO tank, that uses a float valve so it always has water waiting for me, that pumps the new water into the res. It does take some time to pump 35-50g out of the res then back in, but I can do things while the pumps run. I will mix up my nutrients into 5g buckets while the res drains. I usually fill 3 or 4, so I can dilute my nutes separately. After I have my buckets of nutes finished, I'll smoke a bowl and wait for the water to pump. It takes about an hour to change the res, and most of that time is spent waiting for the pumps to move all that water.

A fresh res is stable for at least 4-5 days. I rarely have to add back much water because my dehumidifier drains right into the control bucket. Since the water came from my res to begin with, with this setup I'm just pulling it out of the air and putting it back. :)
After 4-5 days, the ph can drift. In my case, recently, it's been going down. I just add back some tap or RO, depending on how much ph I want to raise. I do have to use ph up sometimes, but rarely more than twice per res. Managing ph isn't really a lot of work. It's also not something you have to fuss over. Most nutes are made with buffers to help keep the res ph where it should be. If you use RO, your nute soup will usually mix up at a perfect ph. At least that's been my experience.

Here is where I think the myth that hydro is hard came from...
Let's look at Joe Grower. He's been growing for a couple years now. He's got a couple strains he knows real well. He's got his flowering room all dialed in just the way he likes. He's growing fantastic cannabis. Since he knows how to grow, he decides it's time to try out hydro, but he's nervous. He decides to continue with the perpetual soil system he's spent the last 2 years dialing in. He get a couple DWC buckets as an experiment and sticks them in the corner of the room.

I've never grown using DWC, mostly because it seems far less forgiving to me, but it seems to be where most folks start for some reason. That's Joe's first mistake IMHO. He is trying to do two plants in addition to the same amount of work to support his soil grow. Nothing was done to free up any of his growing time for these 2 new DWC buckets. This is in addition to his normal load. If Joe is like the rest of us, his garden is probably already keeping him pretty busy. This is a recipe for disaster. The DWC gets a little neglected. The next thing you know he has pyth. Maybe Joe tries again. This time I changes the res's more often and perhaps tries to keep them cooler with ice or something. Maybe this time he harvests some buds, but they suck compared to the soil plants he has so much practice with.

At this point, Joe is wondering what the advantages of DWC are. All he see is the extra work. I don't blame him. Doing hydro like that sucks. I'm not saying it can't have excellent results or that it's an inferior way to grow pot. I'm saying that method sucks for the grower. It IS a lot of work, and it's hard. Don't write off hydro though because of one implementation! If you're growing 2 buckets, it might be fine, but as soon as you start getting to 4-6 plants, you really need a central res that serves multiple plants. When your plant count goes up, hydro becomes more efficient.

In soil, I have to tend to 35 individual plants. With my system, I change one res and I've just serviced all 35 plants for the next week. How is that harder than soil?

plus with soil you can leave the plants for a good few days if you wanted to go away where as hydro its a risk going away as anything can go wrong and mess everything up, soil you can just water and leave anything up to a week or more and not have to worry about the res running out or any major problems like pumps not working or tubes getting blocked,

Well take a seat, cause I have a little story...

I just left my garden over the holiday last weekend. I left Thursday, and returned Sunday night ~9PM. Before I left, I had done a res change. In my haste to leave, or perhaps due to some hash laden bong hits, I forgot to plug the fill pump back into the controller bucket! So basically, they didn't get ANY floods for more than 3 days (~73 hours). It only seemed to have had any affect on 2-3 plants. One was already looking a little off when I left, slight yellowing of some leaves. It looked a little worse when I got home, and 2 of the plants were a little droopy. All of these plants are in the area that probably gets the worst air movement too, so that's why they were affected more than the others.

Anyway, the point is, I was gone for 3 days with the system basically off the entire time, and my plants are fine. I'm not sure how they would have faired in other types of hydro. I'm a big fan flood and drain systems that use grow rock. :MoreNutes: :circle-of-love:

I openly acknowledge my bias in favor of hydro. I'm aware of some of the benefits a soil grow offers, hence why I'm planning to run some tests. I haven't ruled out soil, but I also realize that, if I do make the switch, I'm going to have to work through a learning period again. That's actually my biggest concern for Jon, but I'm encouraged that his plan is to phase in the switch. He's so smart. :)

This is why I'm watching Jon's grow so closely. That and he and I seem to think a lot alike on things. :Namaste:

Holy cow! I just did a preview to look for typos. Sorry Jon, I didn't mean to write a book all over your thread. I leave this window open and work on these while I wait for queries to run, so this has been sitting here for awhile now. :blalol:
 
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I gotta say im very impressed with the combination of rapid rooters and clonex!

I tried that same combo and was really impressed too! Now I'm using the DIY cloner, but that because I want bare root clones. If I grew in soil, I would use the RR plugs and gel. I think I got like 49 of 52 or something like that, and the ones that didn't take were apparent the second day.
 
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Hi Don :Namaste:

I have grown in soil before. Like most growers, that's where I started. I went through a pretty typical progression: bag seed in dirt from the back yard --> bag seed in "real" potting soil under a shop light --> bag seed in soil under HID (MH and HPS) --> bag seed (by this time I had a decent mother) in soiless mix of vermiculite and perlite under HID --> flood & drain in trays under HID --> Ebb & Gro (like I'm using now) under HID. I think a lot of us went through a similar path.

While I'm becoming more and more interested in soil for various reasons, I'm not ready to start any experimenting. It will be another few crops before I start any experimenting. I've barely begun to dial in my grow. The flower environment is good, but that's only the start. :)

You're very right that plants will show signs of stress quicker in hydro. How is that a bad thing though? First, remember that we are not growing plants, we grow roots. The plant just happens as a result of our roots. OK now that we've settled that... In soil, when you see a problem in the plant, that usually means the problem has been at the roots for much longer. The counterpart to this is recovery. In either medium, when we see a sign of a deficiency or stress, we take action. In hydro, I see the results of my action much quicker. In soil, I'm left hoping I chose the right course of action. I'm sorry, but I do not think this is a benefit soil has over hydro, but again, this is all my opinion. :winkyface:



Some folks believe that bud grown correctly, according to their preferences, in soil, will always taste better than the same bud grown in hydro. I am NOT one who subscribes to this belief. I'm not saying whether it's true or not. I don't know. This is something I will never take someone else's word for since things like taste are such subjective qualities. Once I've gotten to know some of my strains better, I will be conducting an experiment to test exactly this assertion. While it's not happening soon, I'd like to do one in a water only super soil and another with Doc's high Brix kit.

I've always been puzzled when I hear that hydro is harder. My hydro maintenance routines consists of the following. Several times a day I go down there and look at the meter. Some of those times I write down the numbers. Most of the time I don't. If the lights are on, I will say hello to the ladies. I'll peek at the mommies. Smoke a bowl, then head back upstairs. Once a week, I change the reservoir. This involves disconnecting the fill tube from my res and connecting the tube that goes to my drain. Then I just unplug the fill pump from the extension cord that leads to the controller bucket, and plug it in. That drains the res. Then I have another pump in my RO tank, that uses a float valve so it always has water waiting for me, that pumps the new water into the res. It does take some time to pump 35-50g out of the res then back in, but I can do things while the pumps run. I will mix up my nutrients into 5g buckets while the res drains. I usually fill 3 or 4, so I can dilute my nutes separately. After I have my buckets of nutes finished, I'll smoke a bowl and wait for the water to pump. It takes about an hour to change the res, and most of that time is spent waiting for the pumps to move all that water.

A fresh res is stable for at least 4-5 days. I rarely have to add back much water because my dehumidifier drains right into the control bucket. Since the water came from my res to begin with, with this setup I'm just pulling it out of the air and putting it back. :)
After 4-5 days, the ph can drift. In my case, recently, it's been going down. I just add back some tap or RO, depending on how much ph I want to raise. I do have to use ph up sometimes, but rarely more than twice per res. Managing ph isn't really a lot of work. It's also not something you have to fuss over. Most nutes are made with buffers to help keep the res ph where it should be. If you use RO, your nute soup will usually mix up at a perfect ph. At least that's been my experience.

Here is where I think the myth that hydro is hard came from...
Let's look at Joe Grower. He's been growing for a couple years now. He's got a couple strains he knows real well. He's got his flowering room all dialed in just the way he likes. He's growing fantastic cannabis. Since he knows how to grow, he decides it's time to try out hydro, but he's nervous. He decides to continue with the perpetual soil system he's spent the last 2 years dialing in. He get a couple DWC buckets as an experiment and sticks them in the corner of the room.

I've never grown using DWC, mostly because it seems far less forgiving to me, but it seems to be where most folks start for some reason. That's Joe's first mistake IMHO. He is trying to do two plants in addition to the same amount of work to support his soil grow. Nothing was done to free up any of his growing time for these 2 new DWC buckets. This is in addition to his normal load. If Joe is like the rest of us, his garden is probably already keeping him pretty busy. This is a recipe for disaster. The DWC gets a little neglected. The next thing you know he has pyth. Maybe Joe tries again. This time I changes the res's more often and perhaps tries to keep them cooler with ice or something. Maybe this time he harvests some buds, but they suck compared to the soil plants he has so much practice with.

At this point, Joe is wondering what the advantages of DWC are. All he see is the extra work. I don't blame him. Doing hydro like that sucks. I'm not saying it can't have excellent results or that it's an inferior way to grow pot. I'm saying that method sucks for the grower. It IS a lot of work, and it's hard. Don't write off hydro though because of one implementation! If you're growing 2 buckets, it might be fine, but as soon as you start getting to 4-6 plants, you really need a central res that serves multiple plants. When your plant count goes up, hydro becomes more efficient.

In soil, I have to tend to 35 individual plants. With my system, I change one res and I've just serviced all 35 plants for the next week. How is that harder than soil?



Well take a seat, cause I have a little story...

I just left my garden over the holiday last weekend. I left Thursday, and returned Sunday night ~9PM. Before I left, I had done a res change. In my haste to leave, or perhaps due to some hash laden bong hits, I forgot to plug the fill pump back into the controller bucket! So basically, they didn't get ANY floods for more than 3 days (~73 hours). It only seemed to have had any affect on 2-3 plants. One was already looking a little off when I left, slight yellowing of some leaves. It looked a little worse when I got home, and 2 of the plants were a little droopy. All of these plants are in the area that probably gets the worst air movement too, so that's why they were affected more than the others.

Anyway, the point is, I was gone for 3 days with the system basically off the entire time, and my plants are fine. I'm not sure how they would have faired in other types of hydro. I'm a big fan flood and drain systems that use grow rock. :MoreNutes: :circle-of-love:

I openly acknowledge my bias in favor of hydro. I'm aware of some of the benefits a soil grow offers, hence why I'm planning to run some tests. I haven't ruled out soil, but I also realize that, if I do make the switch, I'm going to have to work through a learning period again. That's actually my biggest concern for Jon, but I'm encouraged that his plan is to phase in the switch. He's so smart. :)

This is why I'm watching Jon's grow so closely. That and he and I seem to think a lot alike on things. :Namaste:

Holy cow! I just did a preview to look for typos. Sorry Jon, I didn't mean to write a book all over your thread. I leave this window open and work on these while I wait for queries to run, so this has been sitting here for awhile now. :blalol:
Wow,really good stuff man.I need to take notes as I may do hydro next year.
 
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dwc has got to be the easiest grow of all, i never empty the res as the plant does that for me, im only growing the odd 2ltr dwc though so no big dwc, i got to keep things simple, if i got caught with a hydro set up id be screwed, so the more basic it is the less i have to worry about and the less i need to explain if the time comes,

i dont check ppm, i very rarely check ph, i know my bpn plus tap water gives me the correct ph, so thats what my dwc gets, its a 2ltr pop bottle as a res and the roots sit in that and bubble away, never had any issues with dwc. never had any issues with soil apart from fungus gnats a while back, i know i can leave my plants for about a week without having to check on them, but hydro you cant do that, i know my plants would still be ok in 5 or 6 days time as long as i gave them a good drink before i left.

im not saying hydro is any harder, but its a bigger set up, ppm need to be kept in check to get the best growth, again so does this for soil but id be using a lot more nutes if i was growing in hydro, i did a big dwc a while back and used more nutes than i usually use with my soil grown plants,
with my compost plants i dont need nutes for 2 or 3 weeks from planting then i start on veg 2 of bpn and up the dose if the colour dont look right,

im not knocking hydro, id love to give it a try, i know for sure i cant tell the difference between hydro and soil buds, my mate grows strictly hydro and got 300 plus plants in a 2 storey house, so he got a huge hydro set up and produces many pounds of buds each grow, but he is commercial grower so invested thousands of pounds in equipment, i know how quick his plants grow and when he grows seeds ive given him the plants grow quicker and reach harvest quicker, but on testing the buds the difference is minimul, tastes the same, smells the same and looks the same,
so i agree that the difference in quality is very slight if any at all, if i could get away with hydro then id invest the money and give it a try, but i cant take that risk, so ill stick with soil and give this super soil a go, ill still do the odd dwc 2ltr hempi as their quick and easy to grow, i got sensi star growing in soil and sensi star growing in the dwc, the dwc is much bigger than the soil one and can take higher dose of nutes,

so not knocking hydro at all, i just know their is more to check with hydro, i know because my mates got 2 floors of a house full of hydro set up and his mates got a ebb and flow set up with similar amount of plants, i know how much work they put into keeping everything where it should be,

cant remember the last time i checked ph on my soil plants, they seem to always be doing ok unless i up the nutes to early and get leaf cupping or the odd yellow spot at end of a leaf, then i back the nutes off a bit, but many times ive left my plants for 4 or 5 days and came back to no problems, im pretty sure i would want to go and leave a hydro set up for 5 days without having someone check in on it,

i know my mate wouldnt leave his hydro set up ticking over for 5 days without checking, i check my plants pretty much every day unless im out and lights are off when i get back,

so dont think im knocking hydro or making it our harder than it is, but if a new grower asked you what set up to use and he had never grown a plant in his life before then i know for sure most growers would say go with soil,
you dont need pumps, filters, res, tubing, etc etc, so soil grow works out cheaper to start with and less work to put together, once a hydro is set up then your right their is very little work involved, no more than a soil grow,
 
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Show me some hydro that sexy:)

Hiker, How is all that you listed not harder than mix some soil once a year for an hour & just add water? There is no learning period to super soil except learning which strains could use more or less, it's all been done for us with the recipes..
 
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cant get easier than super soil, i cant wait to give it a try, no nutes for the whole grow, just add water and job done, i know finding the right base soil might be tough depending where you live, but since jon pointed me towards subcool ive been interested in giving this a try, i think the cost of the products works out similar to what you would pay in nutes over the same period, so cost wise their is not much in it i dont think.

its just finding out what base product works best, ill try the stuff jons got as i can get that where i am, but i can get many other types of compost but without knowing what works its a bit of a guessing game,
i think super soil will be the future and im pretty sure at some point they will start selling it ready mixed ready to use, it wont be long before the garden suppliers see everyone buying the products and put 2 and 2 together, if you could buy a super soil mix off the shelf then im sure that company would do very well indeed,

i know if i could buy it off the shelf i would do, ready mixed and ready to plant, but until we can buy it like that we will just have to mix up our own and give it a try, i like the fact you need no nutes at all, plus might help me achieve the purple im trying to get from these purple strains i grow, so far cold shock is the only method i have found that works to get a true purple but the bud then tasted like crap and ended up in my trim boxes, subcool's purple buds are grown under normal temps just using super soil, so if sub can get results and colours like that then we should be able to achieve something half as good and something that looks as good as his in colour

i was suprised to see that their was a super soil, i thought high brix was the way to go, ill have to check how much difference this is to high brix type grow, im sure if it super soil buds where tested then they would not be far off the high brix method of growing, but i dont know enough about true high brix and ive never used super soil,
 
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Subcool is working on getting super soil for sale....I'm pretty sure that killer old school organic growing could easily compete with High Brix...It's everything a plant wants already in the soil!
 
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i agree, i was interested in high brix but after checking this super soil out i think this is a very good idea, as for sub getting super soil for sale id have problems where i am as im in europe, so i doubt it would be stocked over here, at least not for a while anyway, but im sure growers who dont grow these plants will also benefit from super soil so im pretty sure its only a matter of time before its bought out in most garden supply shops,
all i can do is have a go at making some super soil and see how i get on, i just think the method is ideal for growing, gives the plants exactly what they need from start to harvest,
 
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so dont think im knocking hydro or making it our harder than it is, but if a new grower asked you what set up to use and he had never grown a plant in his life before then i know for sure most growers would say go with soil,
you dont need pumps, filters, res, tubing, etc etc, so soil grow works out cheaper to start with and less work to put together, once a hydro is set up then your right their is very little work involved, no more than a soil grow,

I agree a new grower should start with soil. :)

I guess I misread something. I thought for sure you were saying that soil was easier than hydro.

Hiker, How is all that you listed not harder than mix some soil once a year for an hour & just add water? There is no learning period to super soil except learning which strains could use more or less, it's all been done for us with the recipe..

The choice is to do most of the work before the grow or spread it out. I suspect it's a wash. I can't imagine Jon will be able to mix a year's worth of his super soil in an hour. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt I could do it that fast.

I never claimed that hydro was easier. I'm just trying to dispel the stereotype that hydro is more work. Keep in mind that I'm thinking about this from a commercial perspective. My goals are maximum yield, quality of meds, and ease of maintenance.

I do agree that less knowledge is needed to grow in soil using the super soil instruction. I also agree that this is an excellent growing method for a new grower. It can also be a great way to grow for the experienced grower. I'm NOT knocking soil. I'm defending hydro. I see a lot of myths concerning hydro thrown around here, and I wanted to defend it. That's all.

We now return to Jon's regularly scheduled program. :winkyface:
 
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I started with hydro right off the hop, I hooked up with a grower in the early 90's that had been growing for 15 years or so, he taught me his style of growing which was flood and drain tables sea of green style, I rented a house out in the middle of nowhere(sound familliar) and we invested 25 000 between the 2 of us in a perpetual flood and drain system, 5 mothers all Northern lights #5 in soil, 2 4 x 8 tables with 2 1000w MH on light movers in the veg room northern lights #5 is an 8 week strain, in the flower room there was eight 4 x 8 tables with 2 1000w hps per table, yes that 18 1000w lights. each table was stagered 1 week apart each table held 90 plants in 4 inch rockwool cubes averaging 7 grams per plant, thats 1.5 pounds a week. the house had central air so we redirected the whole system into the basement and smashed through the wall to expose the hydro line, tapped into it and ran a seperate panel just for the grow, yes I stole the hydro, I was young lol..I grew that way in that house for almost 10 years living the life lots of toys lots of women ect ect...then I got busted for an attempt murder charge, I guess I should elaborate on that a little, my girlfriend of 3 years at the time got raped by some guy she knew and I ran into him at the bar one new years eve and being quite intoxicated I proceed to seriously hurt this man right in front of probably 150 people, he walks with 2 canes to this day, every step he takes he thinks of me and for that reason I dont regret one bit of it.I did 3 years for that one after they dropped the charges to aggravated assault once they heard the story. Anyways I guess what im getting at is I got really good a growing with that style, ive been a hydro guy as long as ive been growing but I cant run that type of grow here on a well,l its just that simple, I ll run it dry.So I switched to the system I have now and for the most part it works great, I really have no idea what caused the issues last round tbo I havent put much thought into it yet. It just seemed like the perfect time to go back to a perpetual grow so moneys coming in more often and I ll have more time to spend with my family.
I personally think that a supersoil grow once the recipe is dialed in will be alot less time consuming than any hydro grow and ive watched countless vids from experienced growers getting exellent hydro like results using Sub's recipe to the T, I mean put the plants in pots and water them once a week or so, it doesnt get any easier than that imho.
As for taste, well Ive smoked some well grown organic weed before and again in my opinion the flavors were much more pronouced but like Hiker said thats just my opinion.Hiker if you get a chance watch the School of Dank video where Subcool talks about supersoil,the link is a few pages back.That guy has been growing weed for 35 years now, he grew hydro of every sort for 15 of those years before he found out about supper soil. He flat out says that he has compared his supersoil grown weed to many different hydro grown weeds that were grown by pros and hands down without a doubt his organic weed taste night and day better.If your basically a master hydro grower why would you switch to supersoil? he says #1, with supersoil you get simillar results yield wise,#2 its alot easier because like I said once you have the recipe down there are no issues, no more guess work at all just make your soil twice a year put in a pot with a plant and water it..period.He doesnt defoliate he just cleans up the bottoms of the plants a bit and he gets 10-12 oz a plant with minimal training maybe topped once or twice.
If I could go back to my roots and do a perpetual hydro set up like I had I would in a heartbeat but it just not possible so that is why im going this route, and the superior terpene profiles Sub talks about with supersoil has me very intrigued:)
 
re: Jon705's Multi Strain HPS LED Hybrid System

you ever do a clean up on a system like mine? I can throw old soil in the bush and a cpl years later theres a shitload of nice plants growing there but I have to bag the hydroton and bring it to the dump, I go through 3 very large bags of it every grow, then I take the entire system apart bring it outside and wash it thouroughly(ive been using a power washer lately) then bring it all back downstairs(getting the res in and out is not easy)and hook it all back up again, then I fill it up and run a high concentration of h202 through it for a few hrs while im checking it for leaks, then drain it and fill it up again and run fresh water through it just to flush out the h202,Then I can fill it back up yet again and start to transplant, how is that easier than dumping the pots into my trailer and dumping the trailer in the woods? I ll only be transplanting every 3 weeks,the soils already made, it doesnt take very long to fill 4 pots halfway with SS put the plant in and fill the rest up with base soil:)
 
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