Jon705's Multi Strain HPS LED Hybrid System

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Maxximilian said:
damn they look good your outdoors i also love the little white peace flags :P looks great nice job!
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Lmao...those "peace flags" used to be labels, I had a blonde moment and used pen to label them and of course it all got washed of from the rain. Now I ll be sorting them by smell:)
 
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No doubt, if you've ever looked through the books he's done there can't really be a better way to grow....Maybe equal but just about everything else requires constant attention...It's a plant not a child:)
 
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I think your nature mix will be fine. The one thing I would take into account is that the mix subcool gives is to use with a high quality potting soil. I think yours is a mix with mycos macros micros perlite and peat with no substantial food already in it. You may need to increase a few of your ingredients. I am just chiming in since I am very interested in this subject right now. I have a second batch cooking now a little different from my first batch. I have only used roots organics so far and I can tell you the results were great.

Whatever you do I know it will be great...
+reps on that auto forest
 
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jon705 said:
I know absolutely nothing about organic growing bro so im trying to make Sub's tried and true recipe to start off with, once Ive educated myself on what every different amendment does for the plants maybe I ll play around with the recipe a bit but from the look of Subcool's 12 oz award winning plants grown in his recipe with water only I dont see why I would:)
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shottafire said:
I think your nature mix will be fine. The one thing I would take into account is that the mix subcool gives is to use with a high quality potting soil. I think yours is a mix with mycos macros micros perlite and peat with no substantial food already in it. You may need to increase a few of your ingredients. I am just chiming in since I am very interested in this subject right now. I have a second batch cooking now a little different from my first batch. I have only used roots organics so far and I can tell you the results were great.

Whatever you do I know it will be great...
+reps on that auto forest
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Well I will experiment for you... the biggest plants I have ever seen (edit-- in person) were grown with only horse shit. They were 14' with buds the size of your arm. This year I am using cow because it was so dang cheap... next year will be horse and should be cheaper as I am going to a neighbor to see if I can clean some stalls :cheesygrinsmiley:

I know bat guano works... so does cow and horse shit. If I lived near a cave I would use bat shit but all I got is cows and horses. I will just dig a little deeper and add an extra shovel full :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
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ok, ill go with that soil as well, ill go garden center the weekend and see if i can pick the rest of the stuff up, hopefully i can if not ill have to order off the net, i would use the more expensive soil but might be to hot for the plants after its brewed so ill give this a try,

im pretty sure it was asda i got the cheap soil from, or wall mart as its called over in the US, well here its called asda then wall mart after it so im guess its just a uk version of wall mart, im pretty sure thats where i picked my last few bags up from, ill check the weekend, i know the same brand was a lot more expensive at garden centers, possibly in line with the price your paying, i guess wall mart buy in bulk and can pass the savings onto customers, but i know for sure the same brand was 5 or 6 times more expensive at my local garden suppliers,

so check the wall mart out if you got one near you, they also stocked that john innes as well that was to hot for my plants, maybe that would be more suited for super soil, its just a big risk to take if its still to hot after standing for a while,
 
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we got plenty of cows and horses around where i live, could go and get some fresh manure for sure, problem is i live in a flat/apartment as you call them in US, so id end up sticking the place out unless i mixed it with compost out doors and bagged it up, couldnt mix it in my flat, my neighbours would have a fit, i wouldnt be very popular but it that way
 
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jon705 said:
I asked them about any and all good organic bases and they said sure but you have to buy it by the skid load, 80 bags of roots shipped from Oregon where its made that weighs 2400 pds would be really expensive, same goes for Sunshine #4 or any other brand available, they can get it but I ll be paying tripple or more for it so thats not an option, I ll just learn how to make my own roots organic from scratch:)
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I would just find a local source and go from there. You're already amending anyway, so it's not a big deal to make the base too.

You have me thinking a lot about soil too now. One question I have is, can you reuse the super soil? After harvest, can I break up the root ball and reuse the soil? I know I can toss them into my compost heap, so no biggie if you can't. I was just curious if your used up super soil could be base soil.

Is making your own compost an option? I know you have a little property. When you clean it up each year, you must generate a lot of yard waste. I know I do, and I only have a 1/2 acre. Without trying to make a lot, I'm able to generate between a half and a full yard a year. If I get a wood chipper I bet I could make 2 yards. How much soil do you think you're going to be using each year?

jon705 said:
Heres a question, if I end up making my own base soil will I have to cook it first and then make the supersoil and cook it again or could I mix all the engredients for the base and the supersoil at the same time and cook it all at once?
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I think you can cook it all at once. You're gonna need base soil separate, so you still have to mix them separately. You'll mix a huge batch of base soil, then put half away to cook. Then you turn the remaining half into super soil and cook that separately. I can't think of any reason you would have to cook the base before adding the super soil amendments. In fact, I would imagine it's better to have everything in there to cook from the beginning.


Last night I told my wife I was thinking about switching to soil and you should have seen the look on her fave. :biglaugh: See what you've done! :blalol:

I agree with you about all the benefits. I'm glad to see you're planning a test run before you commit to it totally. It sounded like you were gonna jump right in and switch your whole room to soil next grow. I'm going to try experimenting with some soil plants on the edge of my garden for awhile before I make a switch. When my soil plant looks better then the hydro, I'll switch. I might even just make the new room soil so I can compare entire rooms using both methods. We'll see though. I'm not sure I'm up to that. :rofl:
 
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I am switching completely to soil bro, im sick of trying to guess wtf is causing this and wtf is causing that, I have 3 full High Yield Kits from BPN to use up, I had great results with it in promix so thats what im doing for now, once the supersoil is ready I ll start using it 4 plants at a time 3 weeks apart, so by the time its time for the next 4 plants to get transplanted into supersoil the first 4 will be telling me whats up lol
 
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ok so heres the mix so far, one question I have is Dolomitic lime the same as dolomite lime?
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the promix is just an extra bail from the autos it wont be used exept maybe for clones for the first cpl weeks.
 
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looks like your well on your way to some super soil, cant wait to see how this turns out,

how much in total do you think you have spent so far?
 
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I spent 400 bucks for the whole recipe, this will give me around 350 pds of supersoil, no idea what that works out to in gallons but since you only use it in the bottom half of the pot Im pretty sure i ll only have to make it twice a year unless I decide to use it on next years outdoor auto grow but I doubt I will, I cant complain with the results im getting with the time release nutes im using this year:)
 
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jon705 said:
I am switching completely to soil bro, im sick of trying to guess wtf is causing this and wtf is causing that, I have 3 full High Yield Kits from BPN to use up, I had great results with it in promix so thats what im doing for now, once the supersoil is ready I ll start using it 4 plants at a time 3 weeks apart, so by the time its time for the next 4 plants to get transplanted into supersoil the first 4 will be telling me whats up lol
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I realize that. My concern would be the "WTF do I do with this sick soil plant?" moments. I'd have no idea. With hydro, I can flush the res at least! :blalol:
 
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jon705 said:
Thanks for the reps Curso and Maxi:Namaste:
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No problem man im here to learn but i cant keep up with you guys i come back to check and there im smacked with 2 pages of thread again.
 
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ok I just read up on the differences in dolomitic and dolomite lime, dolomitic lime is a much coarser material and takes alot longer to break down and dolomite lime has the consistency of flour and breaks down alot quicker so it looks like I still have one more ingredient to get lol...back to the hydroshop, good thing is the stuff is like 4 bucks for a big bag of it, it will cost me more in gas to get there than the actual product:)
 
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ok thanks jon,

@Hiker, ive had very little problems growing in soil, plants deal with things a lot better in soil as the soil helps with any issues like over nutes or anything like that, you can flush soil the same as your would with hydro,

soil also acts like a pretty decent buffer so you dont need as much control as you do with hydro, plus if you see a problem in soil grown plants then you got time to put it right before things get to bad, with hydro if you dont notice the problem then it can get worse a lot quicker compared to soil,

the only difference between soil and hydro is speed of growth, some say soil grown plants grow better quality buds taste wise but i cant notice the difference myself so if their is any difference its only very slight, hydro does tend to grow slightly quicker but theirs a lot to keep in check when growing with hydro, with soil its less to worry about, just feed nutrients when you water then you dont need to do anything for the next few days, no res to change, no ppm to really check,

plus with soil you can leave the plants for a good few days if you wanted to go away where as hydro its a risk going away as anything can go wrong and mess everything up, soil you can just water and leave anything up to a week or more and not have to worry about the res running out or any major problems like pumps not working or tubes getting blocked,

if i was legal to grow then i would give hydro a try just for the speed of growth, i know my small 2ltr dwc hempie grows much quicker than the same strain grown in soil, i got a critical sensi star growing in soil and the same growing in dwc, both plants at exact same time and the dwc is twice the size and can take a higher dose of bpn than the soil plants, so hydro has its benefits but you need to keep on top of hydro, but i would try and probably will in the future.

but for now i grow in soil and this super soil is interesting and something to try, ive been trying to get purple buds from purple strains and super soil allows the purple to show through, i think the nutrients we give the plants stops them reaching their true colours so this is why ill give super soil a try, nothing to do apart from water with super soil, cant get much easier than that.
 
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