Maybe lower the COB light? It looks way up there to me.
I agree with this... I am looking at the light on the walls and if I was you I would want that really bright part right on those plants!!
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Maybe lower the COB light? It looks way up there to me.
U say no thermal footprint jon but from what i understand the room needs to operate around 85f? i currently run between 75-80f? so although lights give off less heat, u must have to increase temps in grow room???
Also u just said an LED panel per plant? At $1000 a plant? thats a huge some of money and if that is true its surely not worth the investment? If i run 4 plants dwc per 1000w hps and average 32-38oz per light with 2 weeks veg and that hps/hood/ballast sets me back £250 ($400ish)
I ve got my best results to date running my room at 75 degrees daytime 68 nightime bro, that info about running the rooms warmer is just wrong imo. yep its definelty more expensive to buy led initially....but how much do you spend a year on bulbs alone? with led's 50 000 hrs before you have to start thinking about changing diodes, thats 10 years growing if my math is right, how much would you spend on bulbs alone in 10 years? Factor that in with better quality and denser nugs(much better trych production imho) the hydro savings, the safety for you and your family of no thermal footprint, the fact that you dont have any ductwork, running a sealed room is much easier with led's, theres much less chance of electrical fires are overloading a circuit, fuck bro I could go on and on lol...if longevity is your goal then its a nobrainer. Yea I really like 1 panel per plant but I ll be going back to 12 plants next round because my veg room isnt big enough to spread them out, so until my new space is built it will be 4 rows of 3. Dont forget I grow my plants alot bigger than yours, its just my personal preference, its easier to work with 8 plants then 30 and who doesnt like great big monsters indoorsHonestly, you get the best gpw ratio ive ever seen anywhere, you obviously have your shit just about as dialed in as it can get, you could do the same with led's I have no doubt of this and make your money back in one round no matter how many panels you buy, I had the same confidence in myself and have no regrets about switching, I have some renos to do on my house before winter that cant wait but as soon as thats done I ll be in the market for more lights, I cant wait to get rid of these hydro suckers and be totally invisible from the sky. I guess im also looking at led's differently than most growers, im not trying to get the same amount of weight with less watts, im trying to get 20-30% more weight with the same amount of watts, the room pays for itself now no problem so why not go all led have the same hydro bill you do now and get 20-30% more weight? I originally had 6 1000w hps in my flower room, imagine 6000w of led in there bro, it will be pretty much a solid panel across the whole canopy and still be cooler than 6 1000's
you guys might be right, with my big panels the tecnique I use works great, nice thick bushy plants with tight node spacing, the 2 plants under the cob have nice node spacing but they arent as beefy as the others, I didnt get any recomendations with it, it was a test light for TopLed too, so for this round im going to keep it where it is and use this test as my control, next round I ll probably try it again and play with the height and see if I get better resultsI agree with this... I am looking at the light on the walls and if I was you I would want that really bright part right on those plants!!
My question is why wouldn't we want to take advantage of the lower temps of the LEDs and as long as it works within our footprint have the lights as close to the plants as is healthy?
you guys might be right, with my big panels the tecnique I use works great, nice thick bushy plants with tight node spacing, the 2 plants under the cob have nice node spacing but they arent as beefy as the others, I didnt get any recomendations with it, it was a test light for TopLed too, so for this round im going to keep it where it is and use this test as my control, next round I ll probably try it again and play with the height and see if I get better results
Manufacturers claim that they re 600w panels replace a 1000 hid, Jeff from area 51 told me my lights are replacements for 600w hids, I agree with him.If you compare a quality 600w panel to a 600w hid I would say they are the same or better, and for me even if its a bit less weight per light its still worth it because of the situation im in and the fact that i dont want to ever stop growing, safety for my family was the deciding factor in buying these lights, and like I said I have no regrets. Our situations are different, you dont grow where you live so the thermal footprint things isnt as appealing to you, I guess all the other pros I mentioned in my last post are what you have to concider.missing the point, led may give off lower temp but u still need a temp range of 85f at canopy for optimal growth using leds. thats what im reading and seeing everywhere.
Now im not saying that as gospel because i havent used them. but i am starting to think they arent the saviour of hid lighting, atleast not right now. the cost per panel is high for small return per/w is what im understanding unless ive read jons response wrong?
HID lighting is very very easily controlled. Now im absolutely not saying HID is better or LED. im just trying to figure out where the pros and cons really lie. Theres usually always a give on the positive. its like comparing soil to hydro, pros and cons of both. But do the pros of LED really out weigh the cons of HID? I cant say yes or no till ive tried it but im thinking at the moment HID is a better choice for value and that u know it works everytime. not worrying about diff led's, lenses, reflectors then panels per plant?
Tell me im wrong or missing point? Its not cheaper to run if u are drawing the same wattage. Maybe in time the wider light spectrum may be better?
Jon with absolute respect u are a great grower bro. Do u really rate the LED's over the HPS. If u didnt have to worry about heat of HPS. A 1000w hps gives awesome results, have u matched it with LED's or bettered it yet without any issues?
simply going on the same weight less watt thing that all led companies claim, I think they're claims are right once you get the hang of them you can get the same amount of weight with less watts, im still learning but every round im getting better and better at reading the plants but i still have a long way to go lol...so my theory is, if I can get the same amount of weight with less watts using led's why cant I get more weight with the same amount of watts using led's?i just wrote my reply as u wrote urs jon. so u answer some questions there. i respect ur views over many on here mate, u know i do.
Why do u think u can get 20-30% better yields?
I am interested just not sure about this yet. Clearly u are making it work, i just dont want to fuck my shit up hahaha.
sooner or later as the technology progresses , there wont be any question on which is better.
Im losing faith in this COB light already, the plants under the hps were only there for 2 weeks, before that they were in the tray under the COB, the plants were all pretty much identical. In the 2 weeks they were under the hps they double the size of the COB plants....not a good sign, my led's are still 40 inches away from the plants, at least 10 inches further away than the hps and they are neck and neck with the hps plants only running at 300watts on veg spectrum and just as thick with tight nodes, its still early but I dont think blue and red is enough to call this a complete veg and flower light. I ll do a week by week side by side comparison throughout flowering, im still hopeful but I have a feeling the hps plants will finish at least twice the size of the COB plant if not more.I ll do another test with it closer to the plants next round and see what happens but I really dont think that is the issue, when your actually standing in that small space with the COB light its so bright in there I have to wear shades or I get a headache. Actually im going to figure out a way to put one of the timewrecks off to the side or right in the middle of my panels tonight, one of them already is but im not sure if its a fem yet. Then I can compare all 3 of them side by side once a week, and do a final weight on each one after a 2 week cure, should be interesting.Good weed jon, I believe we will have a better idea what's going on when you finish a run or two!
i absolutely agree with that. technology will improve but i may just wait til it does! lol i dont know i need to have a good look and try to understand light spectrum more. i just have green fingers im no scientist hahaha