Joe Grows Dirty Mimosa By Dirty Bird Genetics NASC

Joe Brewster said:
Update on the Dirty Mimosa seems as though I have a bit of mutation on my plant. Maybe Beth from @North Atlantic Seed Co has seen this before, since her dirty birds created it.
Looks like I have a stem that doubled up
If you want to keep track @Bill284
Think I will be flipping next week
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Polyploid. It's a mutation during meiosis. If it is, you can Isolate and reproduce it. I had one also. Largest plant I've ever seen. My clones didn't make the move sadly.

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Absorber said:
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Polyploid marijuana: a surprising cannabis mutation​

By: ContributorWednesday, 08 June, 2022
Have you ever heard of polyploid ? It is not a sick plant or a monster from the depths of the ocean, but a type of cannabis that’s genetically different and opens up the door to a whole world of possibilities within the scientific community and the cannabis industry. Here we explain everything there is to know about this plant and how it is produced.
Just like humans, cannabis is a diploid species. This means that its DNA consists of 23 pairs of chromosomes which are located in the nucleus of its cells. Each pair includes one chromosome from the mother and one from the father.
Polyploidy in marijuana occurs when its DNA is grouped into three (triploid), four (tetraploid), or even higher numbers of chromosomes, rather than being grouped into pairs (diploid).
Therefore, polyploid marijuana presents a genetic anomaly, as it has more chromosomes grouped together in its cells, and contains a larger genome than the majority of cannabis plants. So what are the effects of polyploidy in cannabis?

Characteristics of polyploid marijuana​

The effects of duplicating a plant’s genome may include larger organs and better stress tolerance. However, whilst polyploidy is widely spread in other crops such as corn and wheat, this is a rare phenomenon in cannabis.
For this reason, a Canadian study published in 2019 analysed the main characteristics observed when introducing polyploidy in marijuana. The results were as follows:
  • Larger leaves
  • Bigger and less dense stomata
  • Denser trichomes
  • A distinct terpene profile, with an increase in the number of terpenes.
  • Increase in CBD levels
  • Same THC levels
  • Similar yielding capacity to that of diploid plants.

Does the size of polyploid marijuana matter?​

At first glance, this list of features doesn’t seem surprising. However, when a polyploid plant grows in the midst of a cannabis crop, the difference in size is astonishing.
Amongst those growers who have been fortunate enough to witness this strange phenomenon there are rumours of huge buds, boundless leaves, and thicker stems. Polyploid plants stand out so much from their sisters, almost as if they have eaten a couple of the others while no one was looking. This is one of the most characteristic features found in polyploid cannabis, but does size really matter?

Advantages of polyploid marijuana​

As you can see, polyploid marijuana only presents a limited number of advantages at present. Although some improvements are there, since there is a clear increase in the number of organs (such as the plant’s stomata and trichomes), these plants do not show a considerable overall improvement when compared to their predecessors. The levels of cannabinoids such as THC and CBD, for example, are very close to those of the original plant.
Nonetheless, this slight improvement in the growth of certain organs can be interesting for the cannabis industry when the plant is grown on a large scale. In this sector, a certain increase in size or a small improvement in cannabinoid levels may lead to great economic benefits.
Furthermore, obtaining a different terpene profile through polyploidy not only expands the aromatic potential of the plant but also opens the door to a world of possibilities for the medical cannabis industry. There is no doubt that the role that terpenes play in the effect of cannabis through their interaction with cannabinoids is becoming more clearly understood.

Is polyploid cannabis found in nature?​

Polyploidy is an evolutionary process. This is a frequent phenomenon in plants, especially in flowering species, of which approximately 40% have more than two chromosomes grouped in the nucleus of their cells. Many of these vegetables are also sources of food for humans. Therefore, it is not surprising that this chromosomal abnormality has been unwittingly selected for centuries to generate improvements such as higher yields and larger fruits, among others.
So, the polyploidy of many plants occurs spontaneously in nature, with humans favouring their reproduction until they become the predominant species. However, this isn’t the case for cannabis: to date, only one natural tetraploid of the cannabis plant has been identified.
This was found a few years ago in the cold desert valleys of Lahaul and Spiti, in India. In the style of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark, a group of researchers found the only tetraploid cannabis variety that lives and reproduces in a natural and spontaneous way in the middle of this arid territory in the heights of the Indian Himalayas. This is documented in their Indian study, published in 2016.
Although cannabis doesn’t have the ability to increase its genome in nature, humans continue to try to apply the benefits of polyploidy in this plant via methods that go beyond the selection of interesting specimens.

The creation of polyploid marijuana​

In the last decade, a substantial number of studies have attempted to obtain a stable variety of polyploid cannabis. A Polish study published in December 2021 collects all the efforts that have been made to date to achieve polyploidy in the most sought-after crops, including cannabis. These are the different methods used:
  • Colchicine: This drug is used for the treatment of gout and can be very toxic at certain doses, but it also exhibits great antimitotic properties, i.e. it is capable of inhibiting or stopping cell division. Several studies have managed to obtain polyploid cannabis by applying this on the shoots of growing plants.
  • Orizaline: As an alternative to colchicine, this herbicide is capable of blocking plant cell growth. Some studies have been able to obtain polyploid cannabis by applying orizaline on small sections of the mother plant in an artificial growing medium (in vitro explants). Hence, orizaline has proven to be a more effective and less toxic agent than colchicine to achieve polyploidy in plants.
  • Cross of tetraploid plants with diploid cannabis plants to induce triploidy. The result of this study constituted the first seedless triploid cannabis plants ever created (they essentially cannot produce seeds, even when directly exposed to pollen). Having three sets of clustered chromosomes, there was no equal separation between them to generate sex cells. This type of seedless triploid plant is common in banana, watermelon, hop, and citrus crops.

Polyploid cannabis: on the lookout for better results​

History has shown that polyploidy can be a great ally for the creation of high-yielding crops in many plants. However, this reality is still under investigation for cannabis. Many studies have unsuccessfully attempted to achieve a new polyploid cannabis strain that contains more cannabinoids than its predecessors.
Furthermore, many of these have not only failed to achieve an improvement in polyploid plants but have actually obtained a lower THC count in them. This is what happened in a 2017 Iranian study looking to investigate the benefits of polyploidy with regard to the medical applications of cannabis. Judging by the number of research studies that have been conducted around the globe with this objective in mind, we can be sure that polyploid marijuana has a promising future ahead, despite the disappointing results that have been seen so far. We will follow its progress closely so we can give you all the latest news as it emerges.
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That first pic is a whorled phollotaxy or fassication. Polyploid buds dont grow like that. Although random, they grow normally. Similar to a triploid. However its random.
Most agricultural crops you know of now are polyploids which also started off as a mutation that was isolated.
 
WakkaDerpin said:
That first pic is a whorled phollotaxy or fascination. Polyploid buds dont grow like that.
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I just copied the article, I have no idea its my first polyploid too
 
If it were Association instead of Co.
They could be NASA. :rofl:
I just noticed on the card in the pic.
Btw thanks.


Stay safe
Bill284 😎
 
Absorber said:
cannabis-polyploid.jpg

Polyploid marijuana: a surprising cannabis mutation​

By: ContributorWednesday, 08 June, 2022
Have you ever heard of polyploid ? It is not a sick plant or a monster from the depths of the ocean, but a type of cannabis that’s genetically different and opens up the door to a whole world of possibilities within the scientific community and the cannabis industry. Here we explain everything there is to know about this plant and how it is produced.
Just like humans, cannabis is a diploid species. This means that its DNA consists of 23 pairs of chromosomes which are located in the nucleus of its cells. Each pair includes one chromosome from the mother and one from the father.
Polyploidy in marijuana occurs when its DNA is grouped into three (triploid), four (tetraploid), or even higher numbers of chromosomes, rather than being grouped into pairs (diploid).
Therefore, polyploid marijuana presents a genetic anomaly, as it has more chromosomes grouped together in its cells, and contains a larger genome than the majority of cannabis plants. So what are the effects of polyploidy in cannabis?

Characteristics of polyploid marijuana​

The effects of duplicating a plant’s genome may include larger organs and better stress tolerance. However, whilst polyploidy is widely spread in other crops such as corn and wheat, this is a rare phenomenon in cannabis.
For this reason, a Canadian study published in 2019 analysed the main characteristics observed when introducing polyploidy in marijuana. The results were as follows:
  • Larger leaves
  • Bigger and less dense stomata
  • Denser trichomes
  • A distinct terpene profile, with an increase in the number of terpenes.
  • Increase in CBD levels
  • Same THC levels
  • Similar yielding capacity to that of diploid plants.

Does the size of polyploid marijuana matter?​

At first glance, this list of features doesn’t seem surprising. However, when a polyploid plant grows in the midst of a cannabis crop, the difference in size is astonishing.
Amongst those growers who have been fortunate enough to witness this strange phenomenon there are rumours of huge buds, boundless leaves, and thicker stems. Polyploid plants stand out so much from their sisters, almost as if they have eaten a couple of the others while no one was looking. This is one of the most characteristic features found in polyploid cannabis, but does size really matter?

Advantages of polyploid marijuana​

As you can see, polyploid marijuana only presents a limited number of advantages at present. Although some improvements are there, since there is a clear increase in the number of organs (such as the plant’s stomata and trichomes), these plants do not show a considerable overall improvement when compared to their predecessors. The levels of cannabinoids such as THC and CBD, for example, are very close to those of the original plant.
Nonetheless, this slight improvement in the growth of certain organs can be interesting for the cannabis industry when the plant is grown on a large scale. In this sector, a certain increase in size or a small improvement in cannabinoid levels may lead to great economic benefits.
Furthermore, obtaining a different terpene profile through polyploidy not only expands the aromatic potential of the plant but also opens the door to a world of possibilities for the medical cannabis industry. There is no doubt that the role that terpenes play through their interaction with cannabinoids is becoming more clearly understood.

Is polyploid cannabis found in nature?​

Polyploidy is an evolutionary process. This is a frequent phenomenon in plants, especially in flowering species, of which approximately 40% have more than two chromosomes grouped in the nucleus of their cells. Many of these vegetables are also sources of food for humans. Therefore, it is not surprising that this chromosomal abnormality has been unwittingly selected for centuries to generate improvements such as higher yields and larger fruits, among others.
So, the polyploidy of many plants occurs spontaneously in nature, with humans favouring their reproduction until they become the predominant species. However, this isn’t the case for cannabis: to date, only one natural tetraploid of the cannabis plant has been identified.
This was found a few years ago in the cold desert valleys of Lahaul and Spiti, in India. In the style of Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark, a group of researchers found the only tetraploid cannabis variety that lives and reproduces in a natural and spontaneous way in the middle of this arid territory in the heights of the Indian Himalayas. This is documented in their Indian study, published in 2016.
Although cannabis doesn’t have the ability to increase its genome in nature, humans continue to try to apply the benefits of polyploidy in this plant via methods that go beyond the selection of interesting specimens.

The creation of polyploid marijuana​

In the last decade, a substantial number of studies have attempted to obtain a stable variety of polyploid cannabis. A Polish study published in December 2021 collects all the efforts that have been made to date to achieve polyploidy in the most sought-after crops, including cannabis. These are the different methods used:
  • Colchicine: This drug is used for the treatment of gout and can be very toxic at certain doses, but it also exhibits great antimitotic properties, i.e. it is capable of inhibiting or stopping cell division. Several studies have managed to obtain polyploid cannabis by applying this on the shoots of growing plants.
  • Orizaline: As an alternative to colchicine, this herbicide is capable of blocking plant cell growth. Some studies have been able to obtain polyploid cannabis by applying orizaline on small sections of the mother plant in an artificial growing medium (in vitro explants). Hence, orizaline has proven to be a more effective and less toxic agent than colchicine to achieve polyploidy in plants.
  • Cross of tetraploid plants with diploid cannabis plants to induce triploidy. The result of this study constituted the first seedless triploid cannabis plants ever created (they essentially cannot produce seeds, even when directly exposed to pollen). Having three sets of clustered chromosomes, there was no equal separation between them to generate sex cells. This type of seedless triploid plant is common in banana, watermelon, hop, and citrus crops.

Polyploid cannabis: on the lookout for better results​

History has shown that polyploidy can be a great ally for the creation of high-yielding crops in many plants. However, this reality is still under investigation for cannabis. Many studies have unsuccessfully attempted to achieve a new polyploid cannabis strain that contains more cannabinoids than its predecessors.
Furthermore, many of these have not only failed to achieve an improvement in polyploid plants but have actually obtained a lower THC count in them. This is what happened in a 2017 Iranian study looking to investigate the benefits of polyploidy with regard to the medical applications of cannabis. Judging by the number of research studies that have been conducted around the globe with this objective in mind, we can be sure that polyploid marijuana has a promising future ahead, despite the disappointing results that have been seen so far. We will follow its progress closely so we can give you all the latest news as it emerges.
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by the sounds of it going to have a huge plant COOL!! :thumb: never heard of this before nice find on the info @Absorber
 
Absorber said:

Does the size of polyploid marijuana matter?​

At first glance, this list of features doesn’t seem surprising. However, when a polyploid plant grows in the midst of a cannabis crop, the difference in size is astonishing.
Amongst those growers who have been fortunate enough to witness this strange phenomenon there are rumours of huge buds, boundless leaves, and thicker stems. Polyploid plants stand out so much from their sisters, almost as if they have eaten a couple of the others while no one was looking. This is one of the most characteristic features found in polyploid cannabis, but does size really matter.
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Absorber said:
This could get interesting 🤔mines up a tree .
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Let's hope for some monster buds
You might need spiderman
 
Had a double cucumber once. picked it while small though

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Mimosa strains have always been a favorite of ours. Loved it from dispensaries but now I have the opportunity to grow some myself. Looking forward to the rest of this grow Joe. I'll be a silent observer..lol. I try to keep my mouth shut and just read since I'm just getting back into the green wave of things. Cracked my first indoor beans after almost two decades. You can imagine how excited I am.
 
greenmobster440 said:
Mimosa strains have always been a favorite of ours. Loved it from dispensaries but now I have the opportunity to grow some myself. Looking forward to the rest of this grow Joe. I'll be a silent observer..lol. I try to keep my mouth shut and just read since I'm just getting back into the green wave of things. Cracked my first indoor beans after almost two decades. You can imagine how excited I am.
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Welcome @greenmobster440 Looking forward to trying out @North Atlantic Seed Co Dirty Mimosa
You won't regret learning to grow your own, as you see I don't put too much into my grows.
Goodluck on yours

Plant update: When I transplanted I premoistened my soil with a weak 3 water to 1 week 4 solution of future harvest nutrient & was watering around on the outside of plant, to build side roots after
I also don't water to run off till they get into flower.

Watered last night with 1/2 strength week 6 nutrients 2 ml cal mag & 10 ml royal gold (Fulvic acid) gave each plant 2 liters.
Room is on the cool side 14 c low to 24 c high 20-30 % humidity at cool temps you don't want to get them waterlogged.
I'm not growing for speed or large amounts, got enough back up, just like growing.

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12-7-23 8+ weeks veg

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12-7-23 8+ weeks veg

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R to l
Cherry pie, Strawberry banana, Dirty Mimosa & Tropicanna banana

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Cherry pie, Strawberry banana, Dirty Mimosa & Tropicanna banana
 
Joe Brewster said:
Welcome @greenmobster440 Looking forward to trying out @North Atlantic Seed Co Dirty Mimosa
You won't regret learning to grow your own, as you see I don't put too much into my grows.
Goodluck on yours

Plant update: When I transplanted I premoistened my soil with a weak 3 water to 1 week 4 solution of future harvest nutrient & was watering around on the outside of plant, to build side roots after
I also don't water to run off till they get into flower.

Watered last night with 1/2 strength week 6 nutrients 2 ml cal mag & 10 ml royal gold (Fulvic acid) gave each plant 2 liters.
Room is on the cool side 14 c low to 24 c high 20-30 % humidity at cool temps you don't want to get them waterlogged.
I'm not growing for speed or large amounts, got enough back up, just like growing.

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12-7-23 8+ weeks veg

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12-7-23 8+ weeks veg

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R to l
Cherry pie, Strawberry banana, Dirty Mimosa & Tropicanna banana

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R to l
Cherry pie, Strawberry banana, Dirty Mimosa & Tropicanna banana
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looking good & healthy
 
Nic e Joe!
 
I'm learning more every day. I understand and have applied basics to my grow space and plant care. It's all the new gadgets and gizmos that make my eyes sparkle..lol. No matter what your level of gardening there's always something to learn.

You do take a pretty simple approach to your grow. Your experienced enough to just read the plant and know what it wants. Invaluable to a gardener. It's been a while for me but I'm seeing myself progress and gain momentum. This forum is a ton of help.

Sweet ass grow. It'll be awesome to watch them flower.
 
con said:
looking good & healthy
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Thanks
StoneOtter said:
Nic e Joe!
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Thanks
greenmobster440 said:
I'm learning more every day. I understand and have applied basics to my grow space and plant care. It's all the new gadgets and gizmos that make my eyes sparkle..lol. No matter what your level of gardening there's always something to learn.

You do take a pretty simple approach to your grow. Your experienced enough to just read the plant and know what it wants. Invaluable to a gardener. It's been a while for me but I'm seeing myself progress and gain momentum. This forum is a ton of help.

Sweet ass grow. It'll be awesome to watch them flower.
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Don't get too caught up on all the fancy toys, they come out with new ones constantly.


Plant update : @North Atlantic Seed Co Flipped the plants on Monday night. Worked out perfect plants were dry & lite easy move.
The double thick stem is got two heads now should produce some nice buds
Took the last fed well so gave them 1 last week 6 veg feed going into flower 1 gal of 1/2 strength nutrients each

Trimmed a few more branches, leaves & did a bit of training, plant bounced back in a couple of hours
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Flip day 12-10-23

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Flip day 12-10-23

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Flip day 12-10-23

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Plants have been in flower for a week 3 days later gave them 4 liters of water only, 3 days later 4 liters of week 1 flower nutrients @ 1/2 strength. last night gave them water only again
Growing strong, nice thick stems. The double stem with 2 heads is stretching, should be 2 nice buds
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1 week since flip

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1 week since flip

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1 week since flip

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1 week since flip

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Joe Brewster said:
Plants have been in flower for a week 3 days later gave them 4 liters of water only, 3 days later 4 liters of week 1 flower nutrients @ 1/2 strength. last night gave them water only again
Growing strong, nice thick stems. The double stem with 2 heads is stretching, should be 2 nice buds
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1 week since flip

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1 week since flip

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1 week since flip

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looking green & healthy
 
****************** @North Atlantic Seed Co *********************

Update week 3 - 2 days Took the plant out of the flower room for some pictures & trim
After trimming I was trying to remember what the smell reminded of
Then it hit me Sweet Zombie, the Dirty Mimosa is starting to smell of sweetness & eucalyptus
I just took some of the big fans blocking the buds. I like to leave as much on especially winter as it helps with my low humidity
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3 weeks & a day in flower

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3 weeks 2 days in flower

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3 weeks 2 days in flower

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3 weeks 2 days in flower
Trimmed a few fans

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trim

Every 2nd water it gets half strength nutrients as per FH feed chart Going to step it up with every watering, see how it goes
 
Joe Brewster said:
****************** @North Atlantic Seed Co *********************

Update week 3 - 2 days Took the plant out of the flower room for some pictures & trim
After trimming I was trying to remember what the smell reminded of
Then it hit me Sweet Zombie, the Dirty Mimosa is starting to smell of sweetness & eucalyptus
I just took some of the big fans blocking the buds. I like to leave as much on especially winter as it helps with my low humidity
IMG_5236Dirty Mimosa.JPG

IMG_5236Dirty Mimosa.JPG

3 weeks & a day in flower

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3 weeks 2 days in flower

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3 weeks 2 days in flower

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3 weeks 2 days in flower
Trimmed a few fans

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trim

Every 2nd water it gets half strength nutrients as per FH feed chart Going to step it up with every watering, see how it goes
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looking good
 

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