Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2

Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

I used everything with those cubes. Bloom, Grow, Super thrive, Hygrozyme, CaMg+. I let them soak in all of that and still couldnt get them to root. Theyll stay alive but wont root :thedoubletake:

I took them from the rockwool cubes and put them in my bubble cloner and they got roots in the next week some weird luck I have

I use... Rockwool. That's it. I dip the starter cubes in water balanced to pH 5.5, cut the cuttings to the size I want, and poke them in. Put a cover over them and wait. Every day, I spray dome with water. No other rooting bullshit needed. They just root in wet rockwool.
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

I used the rest of mine up on my last attempt. Maybe I needed to squeeze them tighter around the stems

Don't squeeze them AT ALL! that collapses the delicate rock fibers that have been spun to make the wool. I just poke them down into the hole... but sometimes, I poke them beside the hole... meh... if they're just in the rockwool, once the roots take, THEY will hold the stem firm, not squeezed and collapsed rockwool.
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Hi all....you too my Buddy jandre. :thumb:

Of all the ways to germinate.....here is my favorite way when I really want results...my last grow was done this way and my next one will be too.

I can not take credit for this....it is the way our friend XLR8 does it.

Here it is:

How I germinate seeds:

I really like Rapid Rooter plugs. I've been germinating seeds in them since I started growing, and now use them for cloning, too. They're great as they can be used to germinate for soil or hydro, and easy to use. They contain important micronutrients and beneficial organisms to stimulate rapid root development. They have a really nice balance between moisture retention and airiness.

Here's my process:

I soak seeds for a few hours in a glass of RO water. The Rapid Rooter is soaked overnight in a glass of RO water.

Making sure my hands are clean and sterile, I shake the excess moisture out of the rapid rooter, or give it a gentle squeeze. Basically, you want them to be "moist" but not soaked/saturated.

I take a sterile tweezers, squeeze it together, and I stick it into the hole of the rapid rooter while I gently twist it around some. I've had better luck if I deepen the hole slightly, and loosen it up a little inside the rooter plug. You could also use a pen, etc. Basically, just loosen it up and make it about a 1/4" deeper than they come from the factory.

I use a clean pen cap as a tool to scoop the seed from the cup of water, and place it into the rooter. I used to do the "paper towel" method of "pre-germinating" seeds, but it is better to plant them directly in the rapid rooter (or whatever medium you use). You will have better success, and quicker development if you skip the whole paper towel thing, in my experience. When putting it into the rooter plug, I put it in pointy end up (hinged end down). Positioning it this way will allow the taproot to make the turn it needs to, and will put the seed in a better position to succeed and remove it's "helmet".

I place the seed about half way down into the rooter (again pointy end up) and then I tear a small piece of rooter plug to cover the hole on the rooter. It should not be "jammed" in there, but placed in somewhat loosely. The hole should be fully covered to not allow light in.

I place the plug in a humidity dome, under t5's. I don't use a seedling heat mat (only for clones and not directly under). I mist the dome periodically, but high RH isn't needed to germ seeds. The rooters shoudn't be allowed to fully dry, and should be moistened periodically with plain RO water.
Pre-soak seeds in glass for a few hours
Pre-soak rooter plug 12-24 hours (probably doesn't need to be that long)
Use RO water from store - do not PH balance it
Shake/squeeze out excess moisture in the rooter
Use a tweezers or pen to loosen up the hole, and make it slightly deeper.
Position seed in the rooter plug, pointy end up
Cover the hole on the rapid rooter plug by tearing a small piece of the plug, and loosely covering the hole.
Place rapid rooter, with seed in it, inside humidity dome, under flourescent lights (I use T5's).
Rooter plugs should be moistened with plain RO water periodically, but only moistened
Heat mat is not needed - and it can dry the rooter plug too fast. Humidity only needs to be around 50%. I just mist the humidity dome periodically.
No nutrients are needed with seedlings until the 3rd set of true leaves.
I transplant when roots are showing through the bottom and sides of rooter plugs

I've had 100% success over the last year or so this way. There are lots of ways to do it successfully, this is just mine. X
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

:goodjob:
Just a few random thoughts that entered my head while reading....and +reps mate!



Hi all....you too my Buddy jandre. :thumb:

Of all the ways to germinate.....here is my favorite way when I really want results...my last grow was done this way and my next one will be too.

I can not take credit for this....it is the way our friend XLR8 does it.

Here it is:

How I germinate seeds:

I really like Rapid Rooter plugs. I've been germinating seeds in them since I started growing, and now use them for cloning, too. They're great as they can be used to germinate for soil or hydro, and easy to use. They contain important micronutrients and beneficial organisms to stimulate rapid root development. They have a really nice balance between moisture retention and airiness.

Here's my process:

I soak seeds for a few hours in a glass of RO water. The Rapid Rooter is soaked overnight in a glass of RO water.

Making sure my hands are clean and sterile, I shake the excess moisture out of the rapid rooter, or give it a gentle squeeze. Basically, you want them to be "moist" but not soaked/saturated.

I take a sterile tweezers, squeeze it together, and I stick it into the hole of the rapid rooter while I gently twist it around some. I've had better luck if I deepen the hole slightly, and loosen it up a little inside the rooter plug. You could also use a pen, etc. Basically, just loosen it up and make it about a 1/4" deeper than they come from the factory.

I think a 4mm flat head screwdriver with a depth mark sounds good

I use a clean pen cap as a tool to scoop the seed from the cup of water, and place it into the rooter. I used to do the "paper towel" method of "pre-germinating" seeds, but it is better to plant them directly in the rapid rooter (or whatever medium you use). You will have better success, and quicker development if you skip the whole paper towel thing, in my experience. When putting it into the rooter plug, I put it in pointy end up (hinged end down). Positioning it this way will allow the taproot to make the turn it needs to, and will put the seed in a better position to succeed and remove it's "helmet".

I wrap tape around the 'wrists' of my tweezers to a precise amount of winds to the average size of seeds. when i squeeze they apply pressure to the seed first then as you continue to add pressure the 'wristbands' make contact, thus reversing the pressure on the seed. it removes the possibility of harming the seed but adds the quirk of dropping the seed if you squeeze to hard :rofl:

That being said; i thought of picking the seed up with tweezers, then using an eyedropper dipped in rooting gel (mainly to create a viscous seal between the seed and eyedropper), then you can 'pluck and tuck' the seed much faster and get right side up every time...doubt the rooting hormones would go amis too and its only a tiny amount

I place the seed about half way down into the rooter (again pointy end up) and then I tear a small piece of rooter plug to cover the hole on the rooter. It should not be "jammed" in there, but placed in somewhat loosely. The hole should be fully covered to not allow light in.

I place the plug in a humidity dome, under t5's. I don't use a seedling heat mat (only for clones and not directly under). I mist the dome periodically, but high RH isn't needed to germ seeds. The rooters shoudn't be allowed to fully dry, and should be moistened periodically with plain RO water.
Pre-soak seeds in glass for a few hours
Pre-soak rooter plug 12-24 hours (probably doesn't need to be that long)
Use RO water from store - do not PH balance it
Shake/squeeze out excess moisture in the rooter
Use a tweezers or pen to loosen up the hole, and make it slightly deeper.
Position seed in the rooter plug, pointy end up
Cover the hole on the rapid rooter plug by tearing a small piece of the plug, and loosely covering the hole.
Place rapid rooter, with seed in it, inside humidity dome, under flourescent lights (I use T5's).
Rooter plugs should be moistened with plain RO water periodically, but only moistened
Heat mat is not needed - and it can dry the rooter plug too fast. Humidity only needs to be around 50%. I just mist the humidity dome periodically.
No nutrients are needed with seedlings until the 3rd set of true leaves.
I transplant when roots are showing through the bottom and sides of rooter plugs

I've had 100% success over the last year or so this way. There are lots of ways to do it successfully, this is just mine. X
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Hi all....you too my Buddy jandre. :thumb:

Of all the ways to germinate.....here is my favorite way when I really want results...my last grow was done this way and my next one will be too.

I can not take credit for this....it is the way our friend XLR8 does it.

Here it is:

How I germinate seeds:

I really like Rapid Rooter plugs. I've been germinating seeds in them since I started growing, and now use them for cloning, too. They're great as they can be used to germinate for soil or hydro, and easy to use. They contain important micronutrients and beneficial organisms to stimulate rapid root development. They have a really nice balance between moisture retention and airiness.

Here's my process:

I soak seeds for a few hours in a glass of RO water. The Rapid Rooter is soaked overnight in a glass of RO water.

Making sure my hands are clean and sterile, I shake the excess moisture out of the rapid rooter, or give it a gentle squeeze. Basically, you want them to be "moist" but not soaked/saturated.

I take a sterile tweezers, squeeze it together, and I stick it into the hole of the rapid rooter while I gently twist it around some. I've had better luck if I deepen the hole slightly, and loosen it up a little inside the rooter plug. You could also use a pen, etc. Basically, just loosen it up and make it about a 1/4" deeper than they come from the factory.

I use a clean pen cap as a tool to scoop the seed from the cup of water, and place it into the rooter. I used to do the "paper towel" method of "pre-germinating" seeds, but it is better to plant them directly in the rapid rooter (or whatever medium you use). You will have better success, and quicker development if you skip the whole paper towel thing, in my experience. When putting it into the rooter plug, I put it in pointy end up (hinged end down). Positioning it this way will allow the taproot to make the turn it needs to, and will put the seed in a better position to succeed and remove it's "helmet".

I place the seed about half way down into the rooter (again pointy end up) and then I tear a small piece of rooter plug to cover the hole on the rooter. It should not be "jammed" in there, but placed in somewhat loosely. The hole should be fully covered to not allow light in.

I place the plug in a humidity dome, under t5's. I don't use a seedling heat mat (only for clones and not directly under). I mist the dome periodically, but high RH isn't needed to germ seeds. The rooters shoudn't be allowed to fully dry, and should be moistened periodically with plain RO water.
Pre-soak seeds in glass for a few hours
Pre-soak rooter plug 12-24 hours (probably doesn't need to be that long)
Use RO water from store - do not PH balance it
Shake/squeeze out excess moisture in the rooter
Use a tweezers or pen to loosen up the hole, and make it slightly deeper.
Position seed in the rooter plug, pointy end up
Cover the hole on the rapid rooter plug by tearing a small piece of the plug, and loosely covering the hole.
Place rapid rooter, with seed in it, inside humidity dome, under flourescent lights (I use T5's).
Rooter plugs should be moistened with plain RO water periodically, but only moistened
Heat mat is not needed - and it can dry the rooter plug too fast. Humidity only needs to be around 50%. I just mist the humidity dome periodically.
No nutrients are needed with seedlings until the 3rd set of true leaves.
I transplant when roots are showing through the bottom and sides of rooter plugs

I've had 100% success over the last year or so this way. There are lots of ways to do it successfully, this is just mine. X

Tried to give you some reps there OMM but said I have to spread some around

Yeah, I have used X's method with 100% success rate
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Tried to give you some reps there OMM but said I have to spread some around

Yeah, I have used X's method with 100% success rate

Thanks for the thought!
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

im so glad your having good results J thats whats important, for me rockwool is spotty sometime my clones love it other times they act like im trying to kill them its weird but i get amazing results with the root plugs prolly cuz i bought the entire system all designed to work together and not intended for rckwool cubes , im finding that if i skip the powder,just use my"gel 4 plugs" (designed to just seal the top of the plug shut around the cutting) kina a glue but not for the cut its self anyway like you saw this time they root fast/faster? with no gels powders etc, im testing this time i did half with nothing but water n plug:thumb:
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

im so glad your having good results J thats whats important, for me rockwool is spotty sometime my clones love it other times they act like im trying to kill them its weird but i get amazing results with the root plugs prolly cuz i bought the entire system all designed to work together and not intended for rckwool cubes , im finding that if i skip the powder,just use my"gel 4 plugs" (designed to just seal the top of the plug shut around the cutting) kina a glue but not for the cut its self anyway like you saw this time they root fast/faster? with no gels powders etc, im testing this time i did half with nothing but water n plug:thumb:

Yea they will root all the same. I had tryd it using rapid rooters after in had ran out of clones and by time I had got a new jar of clones they had roots. So my clones will be sitting on the shelf for some time now. Plus I use my bubble cloned now and that thing root my clones lovely :)
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Yeah, unfortunately, for my environment, a bubble cloner is a flop. Even with Blue Range ZONE to keep root/stem rot at bay, I only got 3 out of over 100 cuttings to root. And the last run I left in the cloner for 28 days before I gave it a heave and went back to the hydro store for rockwool.

Now with Rockwool on my side. I get roots in 7-10 days, and I actually wait to see the roots about 2" below the plug before I put them in net pots, and transfer them out of neonatal, and into K-8 with 1/4 nutes...
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Thats strange as hell..all technics don't work with everyone...i love aero cloners...

I love the idea of the aero-cloner as well, it's the reason I DIY'd the bubble cloner. The thought of not wasting money on rockwool's 1-time use was attractive as HELL to me. But at seeing over almost $1000 of cuttings languish, and not go to the collectives if I have overstock just broke my mind in two. I'll spend $14 on 96 plugs to save 100 cuttings from being wasted. At my local co-op, Cherry Cola pheno Plush Berry go for $30, Tangerine Dream cuttings go for $20, Green Fluffy Bunnies go for $10, Purple Widow go for $10, etc... sure there's a consignment fee, but DAMN!! And I'm the only one that has successfully cloned Tangerine Dream or the Plush Berry in this area... See where I'm going here? That's a massive loss to me, so, that in mind, my net is better if I spend the money on rockwool.
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Yeah, unfortunately, for my environment, a bubble cloner is a flop. Even with Blue Range ZONE to keep root/stem rot at bay, I only got 3 out of over 100 cuttings to root. And the last run I left in the cloner for 28 days before I gave it a heave and went back to the hydro store for rockwool.

Now with Rockwool on my side. I get roots in 7-10 days, and I actually wait to see the roots about 2" below the plug before I put them in net pots, and transfer them out of neonatal, and into K-8 with 1/4 nutes...

I use hygrozyme and Hydrogen Peroxyde 3% in my res. Both 10ml per gallon. I add the Hydrogen Peroxyde every day 10ml. Run nutes as recommended. But I keep reading threw google and alot of professionals say use bloom to root clones since its loaded with phosphorus. Also Phosphorus prevents root rot and if you already have root rot it will make your plant have a great comeback. Im pretty sure I can find that website I was on where i read it.
 
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No problem glad i can be of some help. As i failed alot trying to clone and i guess i found what works well this time. I noticed it was all about keepimg the temps low and keeping the res clean & clear. I never let mynres get over 50 in temps. Silica great stuff also I'm using AN Rhino Skin. I don't think it would be over kill cause I use Rhino Skin 10ml, FF Grow Big 5ml, hygrozyme 10ml, peroxide 10 ml, and CaMg+ 5ml per gallon and half. My clone Res is 3 gallons but I fill it a little over half way.

I thought it will be over kill also but its all organic mostly so I never worried about it.
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Yeah, unfortunately, for my environment, a bubble cloner is a flop. Even with Blue Range ZONE to keep root/stem rot at bay, I only got 3 out of over 100 cuttings to root. And the last run I left in the cloner for 28 days before I gave it a heave and went back to the hydro store for rockwool.

Now with Rockwool on my side. I get roots in 7-10 days, and I actually wait to see the roots about 2" below the plug before I put them in net pots, and transfer them out of neonatal, and into K-8 with 1/4 nutes...
thats awesome im glad as hell your clone drama has died and your back on stride:thumb:

I love the idea of the aero-cloner as well, it's the reason I DIY'd the bubble cloner. The thought of not wasting money on rockwool's 1-time use was attractive as HELL to me. But at seeing over almost $1000 of cuttings languish, and not go to the collectives if I have overstock just broke my mind in two. I'll spend $14 on 96 plugs to save 100 cuttings from being wasted. At my local co-op, Cherry Cola pheno Plush Berry go for $30, Tangerine Dream cuttings go for $20, Green Fluffy Bunnies go for $10, Purple Widow go for $10, etc... sure there's a consignment fee, but DAMN!! And I'm the only one that has successfully cloned Tangerine Dream or the Plush Berry in this area... See where I'm going here? That's a massive loss to me, so, that in mind, my net is better if I spend the money on rockwool.
wow yeah thats a nominal expense for good results, i would love a black cherry soda the idea of how it smells/tastes is a turn on lol

No problem glad i can be of some help. As i failed alot trying to clone and i guess i found what works well this time. I noticed it was all about keepimg the temps low and keeping the res clean & clear. I never let mynres get over 50 in temps. Silica great stuff also I'm using AN Rhino Skin. I don't think it would be over kill cause I use Rhino Skin 10ml, FF Grow Big 5ml, hygrozyme 10ml, peroxide 10 ml, and CaMg+ 5ml per gallon and half. My clone Res is 3 gallons but I fill it a little over half way.

I thought it will be over kill also but its all organic mostly so I never worried about it.

my last run with my aero was my most successful and all that was in my water was h202,superthrive and a pinch of azomite, the azomite site said it helps cutting and seeds out greatly so i tried it, and i was impressed, i add a little to my water i use on the root plugs too to see how these do with that azomite trick we'll see:thumb:
 
Re: Jandre2k3's Cardboard Flowerbox - 41 Week Perpetual SOG Part2 - Blue Planet Nutri

Yeah, I'd been cloning successfully for years in rockwool. I'm comfortable with it, and have even written a couple of tuts on it with rockwool. I was just trying something new, and gave it three attempts before deciding that it wasn't going to work for me. Late Summer, Fall, and early Winter times did not seem to make any difference at all... However, I did see the very beginnings of roots in the last one for about 8 of the last 32 I let go to 28 days. That's just too long, though, in my opinion. I can crank out 3 flats of clones, 72 each in that amount of time.
 
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