Invi's Second Attempt - Some Classic Strains

Ya know, invi, I look at this plant that's not so happy and scratch my head. I do see the signs that you're talking about that could be different issues.....IMHO........I would give it the light dose as fishy suggested, to no dose at all. Either way the plant is going to show you what it wants as a result of the treatment. AND, I started a sentence with and...LOL, I think that plant is real close to being happy, it's sensitive. I'm sure you will be happy with it soon too!
 
mcloadie said:
Ya know, invi, I look at this plant that's not so happy and scratch my head. I do see the signs that you're talking about that could be different issues.....IMHO........I would give it the light dose as fishy suggested, to no dose at all. Either way the plant is going to show you what it wants as a result of the treatment. AND, I started a sentence with and...LOL, I think that plant is real close to being happy, it's sensitive. I'm sure you will be happy with it soon too!
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Aww thanks - i want to hear this so much 8-) Hope you are right.
I really held back on nutes, at least i try to stay on the less is more route - and still i get the N od every grow it seems.
If they show a little nute burn now with the PK hit i'll be happy, knowing they have all the nutes atm, just water is needed.
Maybe i messed up because i have to water them every 2nd day, and i fed nutes every time. But then again why there are other deficiencies...

I looked around nutes, these are available - never heard about any of them except for AN (that it has not-so good ratios, official schedule results in overfeed and so on.. also expensive). Maybe some of these doesn't even work for soil.
Advanced Nutrients
Atami
BioBizz
BioNova
Dutch Pro
General Hydroponics Europe
Grotek
Hesi
House & Garden
Hy-Pro
Plagron
Super thrive

Have you tried any of these? I only know canna :(
And almost everyone uses here BPN as i saw, which is not available around.
 
Have a Great Weedend Invi!
 
invi said:
Aww thanks - i want to hear this so much 8-) Hope you are right.
I really held back on nutes, at least i try to stay on the less is more route - and still i get the N od every grow it seems.
If they show a little nute burn now with the PK hit i'll be happy, knowing they have all the nutes atm, just water is needed.
Maybe i messed up because i have to water them every 2nd day, and i fed nutes every time. But then again why there are other deficiencies...

I looked around nutes, these are available - never heard about any of them except for AN (that it has not-so good ratios, official schedule results in overfeed and so on.. also expensive). Maybe some of these doesn't even work for soil.
Advanced Nutrients
Atami
BioBizz
BioNova
Dutch Pro
General Hydroponics Europe
Grotek
Hesi
House & Garden
Hy-Pro
Plagron
Super thrive

Have you tried any of these? I only know canna :(
And almost everyone uses here BPN as i saw, which is not available around.
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I use the Super thrive but none of the others mentioned.
I have read good things about the General Hydro and the Bio Bizz.
I use fox farms and BPN but have no true loyalty to any product. that said I also have no problems with either product.
 
invi said:
Aww thanks - i want to hear this so much 8-) Hope you are right.
I really held back on nutes, at least i try to stay on the less is more route - and still i get the N od every grow it seems.
If they show a little nute burn now with the PK hit i'll be happy, knowing they have all the nutes atm, just water is needed.
Maybe i messed up because i have to water them every 2nd day, and i fed nutes every time. But then again why there are other deficiencies...

I looked around nutes, these are available - never heard about any of them except for AN (that it has not-so good ratios, official schedule results in overfeed and so on.. also expensive). Maybe some of these doesn't even work for soil.
Advanced Nutrients
Atami
BioBizz
BioNova
Dutch Pro
General Hydroponics Europe
Grotek
Hesi
House & Garden
Hy-Pro
Plagron
Super thrive

Have you tried any of these? I only know canna :(
And almost everyone uses here BPN as i saw, which is not available around.
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Hey invi, I have heard alot of good concerning AN but the cost is quite high to get started approaching couple hundred bucks. You can always use local organic amendments that you can get at farm and feed stores. I was considering a switch to BPN but am going in favor of AN after more research. I would be glad to help if you ever have questions and I miss it here just post in my journal. Have a good weed invi!

Shizzy
:rasta:
 
Thanks for the quick replies!

I don't mind if they aren't the cheapest ferts, but would be nice to have more flexibility. Like if canna had less N, and i could just add mono N when i feel like, it would be an awesome brand...

Another option would be to use canna's soil next grow. Still canna's 2-2-4 ratio sounds kinda dangerous looking at the other nutes'.
Any more input welcome :)

Lol your sig is funny Shizzy :)
 
invi said:
Thanks for the quick replies!

I don't mind if they aren't the cheapest ferts, but would be nice to have more flexibility. Like if canna had less N, and i could just add mono N when i feel like, it would be an awesome brand...

Another option would be to use canna's soil next grow. Still canna's 2-2-4 ratio sounds kinda dangerous looking at the other nutes'.
Any more input welcome :)

Lol your sig is funny Shizzy :)
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Glad you like it, it takes a special kind of person to love the Mothers of Invention!
Have you tried using the nutes more dilute? If I see signs of burn etc, I will flush and give them a few days before I start back at a quarter or half strength. I will read some more and see what you are up to.
 
invi said:
Nice of you to say that :)
Maybe one day ill find my way across the ocean



Thanks! :) i see..
Maybe ill cut the CO2 at the end of harvest and keep the door wide open. I hoped mold and such likes lower temps.
Fungus gnat doesn't exist around here - at least never seen anything like that.


Otherwise the girls are in pretty bad condition. If i read them right they are all nearing N toxicity, and they also show P&K def... Even though i only reached normal schedule with feeding. I gave them around 1 - 1.1 EC instead of the recommended 1.4-1.8 so far.
Except Orange Bud, and maybe the widow - they seem to be fine with the N dosage so far.

Should i flush with clean water, or with a little PK..? When buds should fatten giving clean water is so painful! What would you guys do? :)

I did not touch the bottom for some time - check out how hungry they look


Very dark green, leaves curling down - lemon got a flush, maybe slowly recovering.. still she seems hungry below. And buds cant grow volume either..
'

Northern Lights blue also starts the curling and its dark too


Herer is nearing N od too i guess, OB (shows up on left side on some pics) is fine so far


I have no idea what i do wrong. I'm below suggested schedule, and get the N od while there is PK def...
Lemon is already f'd, and i cant feed the rest of the girls properly when they would need the highest EC according to schedule.
I measured the runoff while flushing the lemon - it was 1 EC and i was feeding 1.4 last time before the flush.
What can i do to give them enough PK while avoiding N overdose?
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First thing to do is check the ph of the medium, take some soil soak it in regular un phed water for an hour the strain the soil and check ph. If ph is not square nothing you do will help. If the ph is in line a flush is in order, rh should be sub 45% currently for you and excessive mojsture will cause issues. If the ph is correct yhen you need to flush with twice the normal volume of clean water then give them until the pots dry fully before watering again. That is where I would start.

:rasta:
 
Make sure you check the soil ec when you check ph.
 
shizznizzle said:
First thing to do is check the ph of the medium, take some soil soak it in regular un phed water for an hour the strain the soil and check ph. If ph is not square nothing you do will help. If the ph is in line a flush is in order, rh should be sub 45% currently for you and excessive mojsture will cause issues. If the ph is correct yhen you need to flush with twice the normal volume of clean water then give them until the pots dry fully before watering again. That is where I would start.

:rasta:
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Cool - my plan as well. I already flushed the lemon, gave them nutes, but only PK because if i see it right (on the bottom pictures) they needed that. During the whole grow i was running from 30%, and after 1 week in flower i reached normal schedule. I was hoping at that time that the flower nutes will fix the issue with the less N they should contain.
Measured runoff was @ 1.0 EC for the lemon. I fed @ 1.4 ec before.
Would have been happy to avoid flush because according to canna schedule this and the next 2 weeks should be running on the highest EC: 1.6-2.0...

They got clean water once before and 0.8 ec of PK only last time.

I use this (quality) soil for some time - all the 20-something plants liked it so far. pH is 5.5-6.5 officially, and on top of that i use RO water, so the only salts got into the soil were the ones from canna.


shizznizzle said:
Glad you like it, it takes a special kind of person to love the Mothers of Invention!
Have you tried using the nutes more dilute? If I see signs of burn etc, I will flush and give them a few days before I start back at a quarter or half strength. I will read some more and see what you are up to.
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I saw no burning at all (was missing it a bit to be honest :) ) - thats why i ran into the N od - no burnt tips, hungry leaves below.

Thanks for your help btw! :)
 
fish cake said:
I use the Super thrive but none of the others mentioned.
I have read good things about the General Hydro and the Bio Bizz.
I use fox farms and BPN but have no true loyalty to any product. that said I also have no problems with either product.
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Thanks!

Pity no BPN over here, would try that too. I check out the others - not sure how GHE would fit in soil though. Their site is all about how superior hydro is.

But i can get Superthrive! You think they would survive using only that? :)
 
invi said:
Thanks!

Pity no BPN over here, would try that too. I check out the others - not sure how GHE would fit in soil though. Their site is all about how superior hydro is.

But i can get Superthrive! You think they would survive using only that? :)
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no sir super thrive is a additive for B vitamins. as for the BPN I believe he has started shipping to the UK or at least the garden shops there. you may wish to look further into that. other than that I would suggest looking into a total organic grow and nix the store bought nutes all together:)
 
fish cake said:
no sir super thrive is a additive for B vitamins. as for the BPN I believe he has started shipping to the UK or at least the garden shops there. you may wish to look further into that. other than that I would suggest looking into a total organic grow and nix the store bought nutes all together:)
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Yeah - pity that needs knowledge and routine. And none of those come quick :)
I always have the feeling that most of these nutes are just an overpriced hype, but i don't have a good plan to substitute them.
 
invi said:
Yeah - pity that needs knowledge and routine. And none of those come quick :)
I always have the feeling that most of these nutes are just an overpriced hype, but i don't have a good plan to substitute them.
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Invi, you can take some new soil, put it in a sock and make a tea, no matter what, it may help....but it can't hurt...I do it sometimes...plants love it! You have literally hundreds of years of experienced help here bro, we all do the best we can...don't be intimidated by anything or anyone.........we can do it together!....with any appropriate nutrient......all I can tell you is you are in the right place........I wish I could see the plant in person and touch it, but I will pray for you both from here!
 
mcloadie said:
Invi, you can take some new soil, put it in a sock and make a tea, no matter what, it may help....but it can't hurt...I do it sometimes...plants love it! You have literally hundreds of years of experienced help here bro, we all do the best we can...don't be intimidated by anything or anyone.........we can do it together!....with any appropriate nutrient......all I can tell you is you are in the right place........I wish I could see the plant in person and touch it, but I will pray for you both from here!
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Yeah i will try this for sure. I have some nice soils around - can make a tea of them.
And thanks i hope i was quick enough not to damage the yield substantially.

Found this link btw, looks clear and dried beef manure seems to be nice - wonder how i can sterilize it.
Guess beef means any kind of cow there? I thought thats meat.



After the PK hit yesterday they look okay, i see a very little burn, so they have all they need now and some excess N. I think all the newer leaves on the lemon look a bit more light green. Affected leaves won't heal so poor girl will look like shit for a month or so. But i love her for what's inside anyway :):)

I think the Northern Lights has started to loose that very dark tone as well. Only the Herer remains very dark green, and also without any burn. So my plan is to feed em clear water & boost next, except for the herer - she will get half the dosage of PK as before, boost and no N.

Ill turn off the HPS and make some pics soon to compare. Cant see anything under that light to be honest :)
 
Now im pretty sure lemon is getting better for now. The light green area got bigger - they do curl still, but at least not that very dark tone.

Herer is still dark, even the youngest growth, but there will be nice long colas if she doesnt get worse :)


About Northern Lights Blue i'm not sure, new growth getting a lighter color i think


Some Lemon buds, clearly a 10++ weeker. Way behind the others (with my toxicating help of course :) )




Orange Bud is fine with canna i think, smallest buds though - hope it just starts late and wasn't starving.


White Widow guess is fine




The garden (or part of it), herer is in the middle and to the right, ob to the left


Now i can worry about N as well as temps, cool :)
Luckily too much worry makes me tired, so ill just not care, feed water and light nutes + PK when i see the tips don't burn any more.
I saw some haze nute from BioNova (never heard about them before) - maybe ill try that for the next lemon if i find a decent journal with it. This pheno is lost anyway because the clones didn't make it. She had issues alone from the very start alone, maybe the next will be a bit more hardy.
 
wildbill38 said:
They look good invi. Have some reps too.
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Thanks Wild one!

After a good sleep i see things bit more happy too :)
If i don't mess up stuff any more i will might even get better results then last harvest i think. But summer heat is coming, eta 2 days - thats gona be scary, +10F ambient.
 
shoot they look fine invi! I would just keep doing with what you got.
 
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