That was the idea...
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I'm serious about making some dirt soon
Hempy is great, but damn all the root balls and stuffs is everywhere
DWC is pretty simple...but quite a bit of work late in flower
I started in dirt, FFOF, was good...but more control sounds good to me...and yes... MC is easy
I did try it in veg on two plants, liked it, but had 12 others on GH, do switched in flower.....
Hmmmmmm, I'm thinking again
Lol
Hempy is great, but damn all the root balls and stuffs is everywhere
DWC is pretty simple...but quite a bit of work late in flower
I started in dirt, FFOF, was good...but more control sounds good to me...and yes... MC is easy
I did try it in veg on two plants, liked it, but had 12 others on GH, do switched in flower.....
Hmmmmmm, I'm thinking again
Lol
You looking to do an actual soil, like LOS, or looking to make a soil-less type product and use fertilizer to feed them?
Start with the Promix HP copycat and MC as nutes
Easy start
Easy start
Simple and effective. Cost effective too.
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If you're going to build your own FauxMix® per farside's thread, be sure to get a better shovel than Van used last year.
Shovel? They won't give me one of those, or pointy scissors for that matter.
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But I'm sure that Chris has one to chase off the paparazzi.
They do make it easier to hide bodies. Takes a long time to dig holes with my Tonka excavator.
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At least it's not lego-sized. That's all nivek gets to use!
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Lol I'm positive you will pull that through! Me on other hand with promises of 8 in bloom at once fells like far away...
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When I look at the family portrait from this summer I think I must have been nuts! I think three will a great number to schlep every night.
All I get from that is "coast is clear until Spring Break."
A control plant vs expiremental plant. Novel concept. Maybe you should contact the FDA and suggest that. You know, like testing an actual drug against a placebo.
Only if the placebo is cabbage.
I'm doing that right now in my "Lab" tent. Seems to be working.
Three isn't a bad thing, until you say... what's one more? Gotta have even numbers and all that.
Outside, probably not as big of a deal. Inside, I'd have to run the same lighting for 3 or 4, so it's 4 (if not 5. lol)
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LOL! Tell that to my son who really enjoys being home at night
.It's a bigger deal for me because of the way I grow. In order for me to grow all year, I need to flip outside plants by moving them inside for 12 hours of darkness every single night. Even for the summer grows, because there is enough ambient light in my back yard to mess with the plant's darkness clock.
I also move them inside every night to keep them in veg (they go under lights either in the shed or in the tent) and to keep them warm and dry.
So moving three plants 2x a day is a lot easier than moving nine!
[Here is a pic of my summer grow. I flowered the biggest nine, all on MegaCrop alone.]
OK, so not to distract from testing and experimentation, but grab a beverage as I have something I'd like to discuss.
I posted this in the autoflower section yesterday, but would like to expand the discussion a bit and see if anyone else has any input.
Be warned: this will go against many of the accepted current conventions with autoflowers. (And will be a long read, too.)
I will try to summarize this as best I can, but if I leave something out it takes away from the content as a whole I think. Most of this will be in the thread I'll link at the end. But since there are several growers with lots of autos under their belt around here, plus the massive knowledge in Shed's dome, I figured it would be good for discussion.
I was digging around for some stuff on recirc dutch/hempy/bato buckets. That's my next Lab run. Anyway, as I progressed down the rabbit hole, I ended up on the r/ autoflower board and ran across a new thread.
Now the following isn't my work, thoughts, or content. It's simply relating what I read, and some terms may be sketchy, so some slack would be appreciated. Science, bitches!
The claim by this grower was that they were able to delay the flowering stage on autos by forcing new growth. This keeps the "veg" hormones elevated, thus delaying the buildup and switch for flowering hormones. How much of a delay? Enough to do 3 toppings of an auto (FastBuds GG#4 in this particular post, but they have many others) that resulted in 16 tops. The 3 toppings were:
- topped between nodes 4 & 5, keep 3 & 4, remove 1 & 2 (basic quadline start.)
- Of those resulting tips, each were grown out 2 nodes and topped, leaving just the first.
- From there, rinse and repeat the above one more time for 16 total.
Basically a mainline/manifold/flux type deal, but with a quadline start instead of starting from 1 node.
At face value, initially I was extremely skeptical. Then I read into their content a little more. It made sense to some extent, but I was still skeptical.
It was after reading some more that I started thinking about my current run of autos. Then I did some math. The auto I have going now that has been trimmed the most vegged for 2 months before she flipped herself this past week. If she goes by the flowering time from the breeder (9-11 weeks) that puts her mid March for harvest. She popped on Nov 1st.
Then I added up the rest. The plant with the least snipping, but still some as she was topped and had some light defol, flowered after 5 weeks of veg. The others were 6-7 weeks of veg.
Obviously I'm shooting blind here, as I don't have a control in the group that was either not topped, or was topped but no defol. However, it has made me curious to whether or not there may be at least some merit to this proposal.
Here's the thread in our auto topping thread:
There's some more info there, and a pic of the GG#4 from Fast Buds that they've trained out.
Now whether or not that is really an auto, or many other things have to be taken at face value. Had I not experienced this round of autos and a difference in veg times like I did, I wouldn't have given it any merit and laughed. Now, I'm not so sure if there at least isn't a little substance to it.
Anywho, I thought I would bring it up for discussion, even though it's quite against the conventional grain of the life of an autoflower. Which it is, but isn't. It still flowers on its own and all that, it's merely the concept that it can be delayed (at least in some strains) to some extent. The poster did comment in a round about way, but did not elaborate, about a plant that could have had another week of delay, but not much more before it flipped itself.
By my own observations, on my Lemon Drop I could have easily took her to 16 tops like this.
I posted this in the autoflower section yesterday, but would like to expand the discussion a bit and see if anyone else has any input.
Be warned: this will go against many of the accepted current conventions with autoflowers. (And will be a long read, too.
)I will try to summarize this as best I can, but if I leave something out it takes away from the content as a whole I think. Most of this will be in the thread I'll link at the end. But since there are several growers with lots of autos under their belt around here, plus the massive knowledge in Shed's dome, I figured it would be good for discussion.
I was digging around for some stuff on recirc dutch/hempy/bato buckets. That's my next Lab run. Anyway, as I progressed down the rabbit hole, I ended up on the r/ autoflower board and ran across a new thread.
Now the following isn't my work, thoughts, or content. It's simply relating what I read, and some terms may be sketchy, so some slack would be appreciated.
Science, bitches! The claim by this grower was that they were able to delay the flowering stage on autos by forcing new growth. This keeps the "veg" hormones elevated, thus delaying the buildup and switch for flowering hormones. How much of a delay? Enough to do 3 toppings of an auto (FastBuds GG#4 in this particular post, but they have many others) that resulted in 16 tops. The 3 toppings were:
- topped between nodes 4 & 5, keep 3 & 4, remove 1 & 2 (basic quadline start.)
- Of those resulting tips, each were grown out 2 nodes and topped, leaving just the first.
- From there, rinse and repeat the above one more time for 16 total.
Basically a mainline/manifold/flux type deal, but with a quadline start instead of starting from 1 node.
At face value, initially I was extremely skeptical. Then I read into their content a little more. It made sense to some extent, but I was still skeptical.
It was after reading some more that I started thinking about my current run of autos. Then I did some math. The auto I have going now that has been trimmed the most vegged for 2 months before she flipped herself this past week. If she goes by the flowering time from the breeder (9-11 weeks) that puts her mid March for harvest. She popped on Nov 1st.
Then I added up the rest. The plant with the least snipping, but still some as she was topped and had some light defol, flowered after 5 weeks of veg. The others were 6-7 weeks of veg.
Obviously I'm shooting blind here, as I don't have a control in the group that was either not topped, or was topped but no defol. However, it has made me curious to whether or not there may be at least some merit to this proposal.
Here's the thread in our auto topping thread:
The New Autoflower Topping Thread
There's a story to all of this, so here goes. I was looking up some info on different auto-watering hempy/dutch/bato buckets, and ended up down a rabbit hole. I ended up on an r/ of the autoflower variety, and came across something very, very interesting. A bound and gagged gorilla glue that...
www.420magazine.com
There's some more info there, and a pic of the GG#4 from Fast Buds that they've trained out.
Now whether or not that is really an auto, or many other things have to be taken at face value. Had I not experienced this round of autos and a difference in veg times like I did, I wouldn't have given it any merit and laughed. Now, I'm not so sure if there at least isn't a little substance to it.
Anywho, I thought I would bring it up for discussion, even though it's quite against the conventional grain of the life of an autoflower. Which it is, but isn't. It still flowers on its own and all that, it's merely the concept that it can be delayed (at least in some strains) to some extent. The poster did comment in a round about way, but did not elaborate, about a plant that could have had another week of delay, but not much more before it flipped itself.
By my own observations, on my Lemon Drop I could have easily took her to 16 tops like this.
LOL! Tell that to my son who really enjoys being home at night
It's a bigger deal for me because of the way I grow. In order for me to grow all year, I need to flip outside plants by moving them inside for 12 hours of darkness every single night. Even for the summer grows, because there is enough ambient light in my back yard to mess with the plant's darkness clock.
I also move them inside every night to keep them in veg (they go under lights either in the shed or in the tent) and to keep them warm and dry.
So moving three plants 2x a day is a lot easier than moving nine!
[Here is a pic of my summer grow. I flowered the biggest nine, all on MegaCrop alone.]
That makes perfect sense. I'd love to be able to grow outside, but it really isn't in the cards right now. I'm just happy that I can grow indoors without worry now. I don't have to hide in micro grows, or anything like that. I can do full runs, full plants, and not worry. Freedom, even if only to some extent, is a wonderful thing.
I'd love to have a greenhouse, although the temps would be sky high in summer. In a few years once I get moved back out of town I'll be setting up a nice greenhouse. May even have some type of shutter/cover/something to adjust the lighting how I want, when I want.
At the very least I'll build an out building/shop that has an indoor grow setup. Actual rooms, etc. (Or it will be built into the house, I dunno.)
Hey Shed, can I yield 800 grams from a grow with a 6-pack of 75w equivalent led bulbs?
Now I remember why I quit looking through the "FAQ" board frequently.
Now I remember why I quit looking through the "FAQ" board frequently.
OK, so not to distract from testing and experimentation, but grab a beverage as I have something I'd like to discuss.
I posted this in the autoflower section yesterday, but would like to expand the discussion a bit and see if anyone else has any input.
Be warned: this will go against many of the accepted current conventions with autoflowers. (And will be a long read, too.
I will try to summarize this as best I can, but if I leave something out it takes away from the content as a whole I think. Most of this will be in the thread I'll link at the end. But since there are several growers with lots of autos under their belt around here, plus the massive knowledge in Shed's dome, I figured it would be good for discussion.
I was digging around for some stuff on recirc dutch/hempy/bato buckets. That's my next Lab run. Anyway, as I progressed down the rabbit hole, I ended up on the r/ autoflower board and ran across a new thread.
Now the following isn't my work, thoughts, or content. It's simply relating what I read, and some terms may be sketchy, so some slack would be appreciated.
The claim by this grower was that they were able to delay the flowering stage on autos by forcing new growth. This keeps the "veg" hormones elevated, thus delaying the buildup and switch for flowering hormones. How much of a delay? Enough to do 3 toppings of an auto (FastBuds GG#4 in this particular post, but they have many others) that resulted in 16 tops. The 3 toppings were:
- topped between nodes 4 & 5, keep 3 & 4, remove 1 & 2 (basic quadline start.)
- Of those resulting tips, each were grown out 2 nodes and topped, leaving just the first.
- From there, rinse and repeat the above one more time for 16 total.
Basically a mainline/manifold/flux type deal, but with a quadline start instead of starting from 1 node.
At face value, initially I was extremely skeptical. Then I read into their content a little more. It made sense to some extent, but I was still skeptical.
It was after reading some more that I started thinking about my current run of autos. Then I did some math. The auto I have going now that has been trimmed the most vegged for 2 months before she flipped herself this past week. If she goes by the flowering time from the breeder (9-11 weeks) that puts her mid March for harvest. She popped on Nov 1st.
Then I added up the rest. The plant with the least snipping, but still some as she was topped and had some light defol, flowered after 5 weeks of veg. The others were 6-7 weeks of veg.
Obviously I'm shooting blind here, as I don't have a control in the group that was either not topped, or was topped but no defol. However, it has made me curious to whether or not there may be at least some merit to this proposal.
Here's the thread in our auto topping thread:
The New Autoflower Topping Thread
There's a story to all of this, so here goes. I was looking up some info on different auto-watering hempy/dutch/bato buckets, and ended up down a rabbit hole. I ended up on an r/ of the autoflower variety, and came across something very, very interesting. A bound and gagged gorilla glue that...www.420magazine.com
There's some more info there, and a pic of the GG#4 from Fast Buds that they've trained out.
Now whether or not that is really an auto, or many other things have to be taken at face value. Had I not experienced this round of autos and a difference in veg times like I did, I wouldn't have given it any merit and laughed. Now, I'm not so sure if there at least isn't a little substance to it.
Anywho, I thought I would bring it up for discussion, even though it's quite against the conventional grain of the life of an autoflower. Which it is, but isn't. It still flowers on its own and all that, it's merely the concept that it can be delayed (at least in some strains) to some extent. The poster did comment in a round about way, but did not elaborate, about a plant that could have had another week of delay, but not much more before it flipped itself.
By my own observations, on my Lemon Drop I could have easily took her to 16 tops like this.
Interesting, but what's the point of delaying flowering of an auto by topping it a bunch? At least for me, the advantage of an auto is speed. Now that auto is going to run as long as a photo. I guess maybe for an outdoor grower who can't control their lighting it may make sense.
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Depends on how long you veg
.I hardly grow autos any more, so I won't be the one to test this theory, but when it gets tested, it would need to be repeated over and over in order to show that it's a thing. Autos are so temperamental that you could do that to three in a row and have them come out great, and then the fourth goes into flower at 25 days. What have you proven? That autos have a mind of their own. At least outside they do.
Here are two Blue Treacle autos I grew in late 2018. Both untopped, one LST:
BT1, 40 grams:
BT2, 171 grams:
BT2 stayed in veg much longer, allowing the extensive training and growth, and resulting in over 4x the dried harvest weight. I've had the same experience with two Blueberry autos. Does LST create longer veg? Not at all. My trained Brooklyn Sunrise auto didn't veg longer than my untrained, which was a spog®. Was it a spog® because I didn't train it? Not at all!
So, my take is (if that even is an auto) that repeatability would be key to convincing me it was a fact.
Wait, you're taking this at face value?
No, with as many "my autos aren't autoing" threads as we've seen, could just be the OP of that thread just had lower quality, unreliable, stock. I'd have to try it myself but I don't see any reason to go down that road. If I'm doing autos it's for speed.
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