InTheShed Grows Inside & Out: Jump In Any Time

[Heavenly Hybrid]

and Mrs Shed is Carol?

All I know is that she’s a very lovely lady...

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

Plants are looking lovely as well Mike Shed! Glad to see the mothers doing so well.

 

[InTheShed]

The younglings have a bright future in front of them.
But lets talk about your so called "grass".....I see through this sham.

Thanks BVB! Please be aware that I don't call it grass. It's turf, which is what fake grass seems to be called these days.

BVB, I’m surprised you didn’t know that “InTheShed” is just his screen name. His real identity is Mike Brady.

I have no idea how you got to Mike Brady from fake grass . My hair, when it gets too long, does resemble Greg Brady's though .

and Mrs Shed is Carol?

Definitely not!

All I know is that she’s a very lovely lady...

On occasion .

Plants are looking lovely as well Mike Shed! Glad to see the mothers doing so well.

Thanks double H! Those mothers came back from the brink of death, all thanks to H2O2.



And in case anyone is wondering what we're talking about, the Saturday Night Update got orphaned here!

Off to watch Murder By Death...ttyl!

 

[Baron Von Blurple]

Thanks BVB! Please be aware that I don't call it grass. It's turf, which is what fake grass seems to be called these days.

I have no idea how you got to Mike Brady from fake grass .

This ^ but I rolled with it.

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

Ok guys

 

[sadhu]

LOL! Not hyperactive, just pressed for time .

Well...let's see what's in this Coco Loco:

Thanks. And to my journal as well as the 420mag website sadhu!

Since coco is a very porous medium generally, and perlite makes it even more porous, I wonder how they get all the extra ingredients to stay put. I would think that watering to runoff every time (drain to waste is the coco way I believe) would clear the coco of everything they put in.

But, let's assume that FF knows what they're doing with this product. When you say you flushed with plenty of water, what would you say in amounts? How many gallons of water did you pour through how much Coco Loco? Unless it was a huge amount of water, I'd say it's all good.

As Felipe mentioned, I'd be a bit less aggressive with the MC amounts early on because of the amount of nitrogen in the guano (the earthworm castings and kelp don't offer much NPK). Keep an eye on your leaves as you go and use them as your guide.

In terms of pH, I'd still pH my nutes around 6.0, as I don't know how long that lime will act as a buffer in coco.

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thanks for your response Shed.

this coco loco isnt real porous, not much coco and not much perlite when it comes straight from the bag.
it smells like good rich earth and works well.
a 2 gallon pot full to the top, 6.5 on the ph, i slowly added water....until it took a gallon and a half before it started draining. 2 gallons water total.
was still very heavy by the time it stopped draining even with extra perlite that was added.

i dont want to PH. Was hoping you were familiar with coco loco?

i do have a bail of Pro Mix BX, didnt add enough perlite last time, should have. Didnt like it but have only ran it once.

 

[InTheShed]

Murder By Death isn't even worth the $2.99 we paid for it, and I'd also like to get the time back!

This ^ but I rolled with it.

Ok guys

I just didn't get the concept.

thanks for your response Shed.
this coco loco isnt real porous, not much coco and not much perlite when it comes straight from the bag.
it smells like good rich earth and works well.
a 2 gallon pot full to the top, 6.5 on the ph, i slowly added water....until it took a gallon and a half before it started draining. 2 gallons water total.
was still very heavy by the time it stopped draining even with extra perlite that was added.
i dont want to PH. Was hoping you were familiar with coco loco?
i do have a bail of Pro Mix BX, didnt add enough perlite last time, should have. Didnt like it but have only ran it once.

BX is listed as:

• SPHAGNUM PEAT MOSS (75-85%)
• PERLITE
• VERMICULITE
• LIMESTONE
• WETTING AGENT
• MYCORRHIZAE

Which means it doesn't drain as quickly as HP, which doesn't have vermiculite. Vermiculite retains water where perlite doesn't.

With the lime that FF adds to the Coco Loco, along with the fact that it doesn't drain like straight coco, I think you can get away without having to pH your nutes. In terms of drainage, it could probably use a lot more perlite, so if you transplant, the next mix you can add more.

And if you want to use the BX, add a lot more perlite to it, but keep in mind the vermiculite will still retain more water than the HP version would.

 

[sadhu]

Murder By Death isn't even worth the $2.99 we paid for it, and I'd also like to get the time back!




I just didn't get the concept.

BX is listed as:

• SPHAGNUM PEAT MOSS (75-85%)
• PERLITE
• VERMICULITE
• LIMESTONE
• WETTING AGENT
• MYCORRHIZAE

Which means it doesn't drain as quickly as HP, which doesn't have vermiculite. Vermiculite retains water where perlite doesn't.

With the lime that FF adds to the Coco Loco, along with the fact that it doesn't drain like straight coco, I think you can get away without having to pH your nutes. In terms of drainage, it could probably use a lot more perlite, so if you transplant, the next mix you can add more.

And if you want to use the BX, add a lot more perlite to it, but keep in mind the vermiculite will still retain more water than the HP version would.

thanks. i appreciate your reply.
It is my opinion that you really know what you are talking about.

 

[ProfessorFlora]

Nice mothers! Can't say I'm keen on the grass though. My friend has an AstroTurf garden and his dog shits all over it lol. Diarrhoea and plastic grass is a bad combo.

 

[Maritimer]

Hi Shed,
If you had to train your plants for a shallow ceiling like my basement, and you did not use a scrog that helps a whole bunch, how late in stretch or after lights are flipped would you top? I was always taught after flip stop cutting.
p.s. your thread said I could jump in LOL

 

[Bode]

Highya ITS,

Nice job with the mothers and clones.They all look to be on the mend very well.

I was reading yesterday about H2O2, and they stated hydrogen peroxide will kill the microherd. May want to reintroduce microbes to the soil. Just FYI. Cheers

 

[CraZysWeeD]

Very nice update Shed!

 

[TheMadDabber]

Plants are looking great shed. The youngins really like their new shoes. Really good growth since Tuesday

 

[InTheShed]

thanks. i appreciate your reply.
It is my opinion that you really know what you are talking about.

Always glad to help where I can!

Nice mothers! Can't say I'm keen on the grass though. My friend has an AstroTurf garden and his dog shits all over it lol. Diarrhoea and plastic grass is a bad combo.

It's just like grass in that regard...pick up what you can and hose in the rest! The drainage is great if you get the good stuff.

Though I'm not sure I would ever get turf in a place that gets the rain you do. I put it in front and back to conserve water.

Hi Shed,
If you had to train your plants for a shallow ceiling like my basement, and you did not use a scrog that helps a whole bunch, how late in stretch or after lights are flipped would you top? I was always taught after flip stop cutting.
p.s. your thread said I could jump in LOL

I would never top a plant after flip. If it there are leaders during stretch, I use supercropping to keep the canopy even. And for a scrog-like canopy without a scrog, I use LST, topping, and supercropping during veg. My LST and supercrop tutorials are in my sig.

You could also go with a quadline. Dutch has a good tutorial on that if you're interested.

Highya ITS,
Nice job with the mothers and clones.They all look to be on the mend very well.
I was reading yesterday about H2O2, and they stated hydrogen peroxide will kill the microherd. May want to reintroduce microbes to the soil. Just FYI. Cheers

Thanks Bode! True for an LOS grow, but since I'm using MegaCrop in Promix HP, there's no herd to be concerned with.

Very nice update Shed!

Thanks Crazy .

Plants are looking great shed. The youngins really like their new shoes. Really good growth since Tuesday

Thanks Them! They got big a lot faster than I expected, and I'm paying catch-up with the nutes. I'll be caught up with the next watering though.

I hope I can keep that GT2 under control!

 

[FelipeBlu]

True for an LOS grow, but since I'm using MegaCrop in Promix HP, there's no herd to be concerned with.

Hey Shed
ProMix HP does have mycorrhizae in it. And I recall that you add myco when you up-pot also. But you aren’t providing food (raw minerals) for the herd - only inorganic salts (with an aminochelate, in the case of MegaCrop). So, since you are feeding the plant instead of the microherd, the ProMix is essentially just a porous structure to support the plant, rather than a LOS.

How different is this than hydro? And, would a hydro pH closer to 6.0 possibly be more appropriate than a soil pH close to 6.5, in order to maximize nutrient uptake without the assistance of the herd?

 

[Baron Von Blurple]

Hey Shed
ProMix HP does have mycorrhizae in it. And I recall that you add myco when you up-pot also. But you aren’t providing food (raw minerals) for the herd - only inorganic salts (with an aminochelate, in the case of MegaCrop). So, since you are feeding the plant instead of the microherd, the ProMix is essentially just a porous structure to support the plant, rather than a LOS.

How different is this than hydro? And, would a hydro pH closer to 6.0 possibly be more appropriate than a soil pH close to 6.5, in order to maximize nutrient uptake without the assistance of the herd?

Pro Mix is buffered to 5.8 pH

 

[FelipeBlu]

Pro Mix is buffered to 5.8 pH

Thanks for that - I thought it was buffered to mid -6s. Isn’t a pH 5.8 inconsistent with the pH needed for mycorrhizae to properly function? Why bother to include it?

 

[Baron Von Blurple]

Thanks for that - I thought it was buffered to mid -6s. Isn’t a pH 5.8 inconsistent with the pH needed for mycorrhizae to properly function? Why bother to include it?

Ill take a stab at this.
I believe its all in the pH drift and the time it takes to get to that pH of 5.8.

 

[farside05]

Hey Shed
ProMix HP does have mycorrhizae in it. And I recall that you add myco when you up-pot also. But you aren’t providing food (raw minerals) for the herd - only inorganic salts (with an aminochelate, in the case of MegaCrop). So, since you are feeding the plant instead of the microherd, the ProMix is essentially just a porous structure to support the plant, rather than a LOS.

How different is this than hydro? And, would a hydro pH closer to 6.0 possibly be more appropriate than a soil pH close to 6.5, in order to maximize nutrient uptake without the assistance of the herd?

Whether it has mycos depends on which version you buy.

I think you are confusing Myco's/Fungi with Bacteria which is the main "micro herd" of LOS.

What are the different types of soil microbes?

There are five different types of soil microbes: bacteria, actinomycetes, fungi, protozoa and nematodes. Each of these microbe types has a different job to boost soil and plant health.

Bacteria
Bacteria is the crucial workforce of soils. They are the final stage of breaking down nutrients and releasing them to the root zone for the plant. In fact, the Food and Agriculture Organization once said “Bacteria may well be the most valuable of life forms in the soil.”

Actinomycetes
Actinomycetes were once classified as fungi, and act similarly in the soil. However, some actinomycetes are predators and will harm the plant while others living in the soil can act as antibiotics for the plant.

Fungi
Like bacteria, fungi also lives in the rootzone and helps make nutrients available to plants. For example, Mycorrhizae is a fungi that facilitate water and nutrient uptake by the roots and plants to provide sugars, amino acids and other nutrients.

Protozoa
Protozoa are larger microbes that love to consume and be surrounded by bacteria. In fact, nutrients that are eaten by bacteria are released when protozoa in turn eat the bacteria.

Nematodes
Nematodes are microscopic worms that live around or inside the plant. Some nematodes are predators while others are beneficial, eating pathogenic nematodes and secreting nutrients to the plant.

 

[PCaddict]

Whether it has mycos depends on which version you buy.

I think you are confusing Myco's/Fungi with Bacteria which is the main "micro herd" of LOS.

What are the different types of soil microbes?

There are five different types of soil microbes: bacteria, actinomycetes, fungi, protozoa and nematodes. Each of these microbe types has a different job to boost soil and plant health.

Bacteria
Bacteria is the crucial workforce of soils. They are the final stage of breaking down nutrients and releasing them to the root zone for the plant. In fact, the Food and Agriculture Organization once said “Bacteria may well be the most valuable of life forms in the soil.”

Actinomycetes
Actinomycetes were once classified as fungi, and act similarly in the soil. However, some actinomycetes are predators and will harm the plant while others living in the soil can act as antibiotics for the plant.

Fungi
Like bacteria, fungi also lives in the rootzone and helps make nutrients available to plants. For example, Mycorrhizae is a fungi that facilitate water and nutrient uptake by the roots and plants to provide sugars, amino acids and other nutrients.

Protozoa
Protozoa are larger microbes that love to consume and be surrounded by bacteria. In fact, nutrients that are eaten by bacteria are released when protozoa in turn eat the bacteria.

Nematodes
Nematodes are microscopic worms that live around or inside the plant. Some nematodes are predators while others are beneficial, eating pathogenic nematodes and secreting nutrients to the plant.

Thank you for sharing that now I understand the micro heard a little better Thanks