smokesbetter
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Monday update while I get to catching up on the 450+ notifications I got when I was off the computer for the last few days!
Mostly this will be about the 1990's Afghani reg seeds that smokesbetter dropped off at my house a while back, with a bit of other stuff at the end.
Here are the 10 seeds I have to work with:
Yesterday I split them into two batches of 5 and dropped them in bowls for a soak in 3% hydrogen peroxide:
I always place a paper towel on top to force them down so the whole seed is covered rather than just the bottom half:
I dried them and placed each set in a quart mason jar, one set with a ripening banana and one set by themselves:
After that both jars went into a drawer laid so that the seeds wouldn't touch the banana and possibly rot.
This morning the banana jar was pretty moist inside:
I aired it out for a few seconds (which released all the ethylene in the jar) but I'm worried about the moisture going forward. I've read that a ripening apple puts out even more ethylene, so I'm going to test-jar an apple for a day and see if I get the same type fogging on the inside. If not, I may switch to the apple once this banana needs replacing (when it start to rot).
After 5 days of ethylene exposure I will take the seeds and put them in the jar between damp paper towel (not my normal route but it will increase ethylene exposure during germination) and include either an apple or a banana in with them. The control seeds will just be on damp paper towel. The jars will be placed in a box on the heat mat at 80ºF and we'll see how it goes!
If that doesn't work, I'll try to locate where I stored my gibberellic powder (GA3) as that is supposed to help with germination at specific concentrations. We'll see!
In other news, back in September I cut open a peach and the pit had split open revealing the seed. I googled how to germinate it and it said put it in a baggie filled with damp soil and walk away for a while.
That was Sept 13th and I completely forgot about up the side of the house until I needed some paint this weekend. which is stored in tubs at the far end. This is what I discovered:
So I pulled it out:
And planted it in a 1/2 gallon pot, soaked it, covered the whole thing with a ziploc, and put it back where it was. The nights are getting more chilly with each passing day so I may bring it inside for a better chance at survival. I'll let you know in a few weeks if it starts looking like a real plant.
That's it from me, and I hope your weekend went well, your week is off to a great start, and your teams played more like the Dodgers and the Chiefs than like Michigan's football team.
for the check-in!
I did something similar to the peach thing. But I did it with clones.... I'd always read that cloning wooded cannabis was difficult. I ended up clipping a couple branches from one of my flowering plants. I shaved the base and dipped into some rooting hormone. Coulple weeks with a bag over their head and big root development. Unfortunately I was gone a few days and they died.
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Monday update on sb's 30-year old Afghani seeds, so gather 'round!
On Saturday it had been 6 days since the seeds went into the jars, so it was time to move onto the next stage. Here were the banana jar ones:
They were stuck to the sides from the moisture, and interestingly, the banana was less brown than if I had left it sitting on the counter for 6 days.
Anyway, the seeds came out of their respective jars and into their respective bowls. After another 15 minute soak in H2O2 (in case where was any bacteria growing on the banana jar seeds), they got dried and put in distilled water:
and moved into the shoebox on the heat mat at 80º:
About 18 hours later I decided to go with @con's germination method of using damp cotton cleansing pads (rather than paper towel) since my peat puck method probably would have restricted the flow of ethylene to the seeds. Here are the control seeds before they get covered with a second pad:
Into the jar they went:
And the banana seeds went next:
I stood up the shoebox on end and put the jars in, with the temp probe from a multimeter taped down to the bottom:
I covered the hole with tin foil to keep them dark and warm:
They've been sitting like that since Sunday morning. I'll check them tonight to make sure the pads are still damp and continue waiting to see if we can get some tails to emerge. Stay tuned!
In other news, the none of the Candida cuttings I took made it, and neither did the mother plant:
I had ignored it for close to a year without root pruning it, and I waited until it was looking a bit sclerotic when I took the cuttings, so I wasn't hopeful. Anyway, that marks the end of that line of Candida back to my first plant in 2018. On the plus side I have plenty of seeds and I don't need to keep a mother around. If I ever need to flower another I'll just have to start from scratch and hope I end up with one as pretty as the ones @BeezLuiz has going!
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On Saturday it had been 6 days since the seeds went into the jars, so it was time to move onto the next stage. Here were the banana jar ones:
They were stuck to the sides from the moisture, and interestingly, the banana was less brown than if I had left it sitting on the counter for 6 days.
Anyway, the seeds came out of their respective jars and into their respective bowls. After another 15 minute soak in H2O2 (in case where was any bacteria growing on the banana jar seeds), they got dried and put in distilled water:
and moved into the shoebox on the heat mat at 80º:
About 18 hours later I decided to go with @con's germination method of using damp cotton cleansing pads (rather than paper towel) since my peat puck method probably would have restricted the flow of ethylene to the seeds. Here are the control seeds before they get covered with a second pad:
Into the jar they went:
And the banana seeds went next:
I stood up the shoebox on end and put the jars in, with the temp probe from a multimeter taped down to the bottom:
I covered the hole with tin foil to keep them dark and warm:
They've been sitting like that since Sunday morning. I'll check them tonight to make sure the pads are still damp and continue waiting to see if we can get some tails to emerge. Stay tuned!
In other news, the none of the Candida cuttings I took made it, and neither did the mother plant:
I had ignored it for close to a year without root pruning it, and I waited until it was looking a bit sclerotic when I took the cuttings, so I wasn't hopeful. Anyway, that marks the end of that line of Candida back to my first plant in 2018. On the plus side I have plenty of seeds and I don't need to keep a mother around. If I ever need to flower another I'll just have to start from scratch and hope I end up with one as pretty as the ones @BeezLuiz has going!
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Thanks Joe! I'd love to see someone give that a try as well. Anything we can add to the toolbox for germinating stubborn old (and sometimes very expensive) seeds would be great.
Not sure about the big one but the ones that fit in the jar were Gala. Either way, the apple didn't seem to make the top of the jar pop when I took it off like the banana did so I decided to stick with bananas for this round.
LOL!
I would imagine that it's similar to doming, but it's interesting that it took a couple of weeks in that environment to show roots. Might have to try that next time. Did it look alive while you waited?
Best of luck with the project, Shed-
The seeds look good...let's hope you see some sprouts..
What's the plan if they all sprout?
The seeds look good...let's hope you see some sprouts..
What's the plan if they all sprout?
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Thanks Carcass! The plan with any and all is to put them into solo cups and grow them at 12/12 for 10 days and then 18/6, per @StoneOtter's early sexing method (from Rev's book I believe). I really only want females to clone, reverse, and make fem seeds from, but if folks are clamoring for me to make reg seeds I may keep a male for pollen and see how that goes. First I need something to crack!
I set the tent up again a few weeks ago for this project so there's plenty of room.
not sure what's up with the banana but I'm over here rootin for it 
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LOL thanks GV, I'll take all the rootin I can get!
[Trying to see if the ethylene gas produced by a banana will help 30 year old Afghani seeds sprout.]
The cuttings were maybe 8-12"s, in cactus soil watered in and a ziplock over the top. I used a rubber band to close the 'system.' After maybe 10 days there was so much moisture humidity in the bag (daily actually) that I would have coax the water to run off so I could see the plant. I cut one corner of the bag and the humidity was slowly decreasing, I think cutting the second corner a week later was a mistake. Then I was outta town and wah wah wah... I pulled the cutting expecting no roots and HOLY SHIT!!!!! look at that root development!!!!! I was really surprised. I will definitely be experimenting with this idea again. Standard rooting hormone from the Depot, purple cap & white bottle.
Edit: I dug through the green bin and found one of the cuttings. I'm telling you the roots were circling around container. This proves it's possible though.
I hereby promise to be a better grower and take pictures of my experiments to share with the 420Fam.
C'mon seeds! Give a crack and a tail!
The 12/12 for 10 or 12 days followed by 18/6 in fairly strong light will bring on the sex for sure!
The 12/12 for 10 or 12 days followed by 18/6 in fairly strong light will bring on the sex for sure!
smokesbetter
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Thank You for going to all this for the experiment to try and get these babys to sprout , I really hope you can get something to happen and if not it WILL be the best try so far > 
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I'm definitely going to try this with some older cuttings next time, and thanks for digging that out of the bin for us!
Nothing yet this morning.
I'm looking forward to giving it a try since it's been years since I've grown regs.
Thanks for trusting me with them sb, and if the banana thing doesn't work I did find my packet of gibberellic acid (GA3), so that will be my next shot at them:
"Seeds respond to a wide range of GA concentrations from 50 ppm to as high as 10,000 ppm. A bit of experimentation is required, but a common starting point is 1000 ppm (100 milligrams GA per 100 milliliters water). If the concentration is too high or the soak time is too long, seedlings may grow leggy and weak."
I have 3 bottles of lower ppm GA3 sitting in my fridge at work (all under 100ppm) so I think I'll start at the 1000ppm at least for a few. The next trial will have no control group so all 10 will get some kind of treatment.
I haven't given up, as a matter of fact, I'm sending Grow vibes to your seeds!Monday update on sb's 30-year old Afghani seeds, so gather 'round!
On Saturday it had been 6 days since the seeds went into the jars, so it was time to move onto the next stage. Here were the banana jar ones:
They were stuck to the sides from the moisture, and interestingly, the banana was less brown than if I had left it sitting on the counter for 6 days.
Anyway, the seeds came out of their respective jars and into their respective bowls. After another 15 minute soak in H2O2 (in case where was any bacteria growing on the banana jar seeds), they got dried and put in distilled water:
and moved into the shoebox on the heat mat at 80º:
About 18 hours later I decided to go with @con's germination method of using damp cotton cleansing pads (rather than paper towel) since my peat puck method probably would have restricted the flow of ethylene to the seeds. Here are the control seeds before they get covered with a second pad:
Into the jar they went:
And the banana seeds went next:
I stood up the shoebox on end and put the jars in, with the temp probe from a multimeter taped down to the bottom:
I covered the hole with tin foil to keep them dark and warm:
They've been sitting like that since Sunday morning. I'll check them tonight to make sure the pads are still damp and continue waiting to see if we can get some tails to emerge. Stay tuned!
In other news, the none of the Candida cuttings I took made it, and neither did the mother plant:
I had ignored it for close to a year without root pruning it, and I waited until it was looking a bit sclerotic when I took the cuttings, so I wasn't hopeful. Anyway, that marks the end of that line of Candida back to my first plant in 2018. On the plus side I have plenty of seeds and I don't need to keep a mother around. If I ever need to flower another I'll just have to start from scratch and hope I end up with one as pretty as the ones @BeezLuiz has going!
Quotes:
Thanks Joe! I'd love to see someone give that a try as well. Anything we can add to the toolbox for germinating stubborn old (and sometimes very expensive) seeds would be great.
Not sure about the big one but the ones that fit in the jar were Gala. Either way, the apple didn't seem to make the top of the jar pop when I took it off like the banana did so I decided to stick with bananas for this round.
LOL!
I would imagine that it's similar to doming, but it's interesting that it took a couple of weeks in that environment to show roots. Might have to try that next time. Did it look alive while you waited?
On a positive note, I found a large jar that will fit a bunch of
bananas, to keep them Fresher, longer! (One at a time)Edited... cause man!
One in at a time, Not preserve 1 at a time!
Thanks InTheShed!
Just an FYI and I suppose a shameless plug. I did some yard work today and decided to do some Bougainvillea clones. I posted pics and some commentary on my process. Just follow the link in my sig, "Keepin'em..." Can't wait to see what Master Shed does with this information.
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No movement on either set of seeds this morning after 72 hours in the jars. How long do y'all think I should give it before I move on to the GA3 experiment?
Thanks MedSci, they can use it!
LOL that might be the one thing we've learned so far.
Thanks Age!
i'd go till saturday
I have had one seed (out of 40 or so) sprout after 8 days...but, usually, if I don't see some sprout action within 3 days, they're a dud...
But,considering the age of the seeds, maybe they're just a bit slower to get going, so 4 or 5 more days seems reasonable..
Are you going to stick them in some soil if they don't sprout where they are, or just chuck 'em in the trash?
there could be one very late bloomer in the bunch..
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Noted, thanks con!
Thanks Carcass, and another 5 days puts me at Monday, which would be 9 days total. I'm not sure I have that kind of patience, especially since there's nothing else going on grow-wise at my house other than the peach pit (boring).I have had one seed (out of 40 or so) sprout after 8 days...but, usually, if I don't see some sprout action within 3 days, they're a dud...
But,considering the age of the seeds, maybe they're just a bit slower to get going, so 4 or 5 more days seems reasonable..
If none of them crack they're all going right into the GA3 experiment (at varying ppm), and I'm reading up on that now.
I'm glad I stepped in time lost more Kandy Kush seeds and forgot you had me use the GA last time to fix the problem. Already started a different batch of seeds for the grow but going to soak the last 2 KK seeds tomorrow and see .
Pics of the cloner in action and will probably start a thread in about a week.
Pics of the cloner in action and will probably start a thread in about a week.