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[Azimuth]

Can you explain your up-pot method or link me to a post where you explain it? I think @Azimuth talked about running them from seed in the SIP.

I don't grow often from seed but I am doing that now. Direct seeded into my 2G SIP about 3 weeks ago. Topping it this weekend. It's the strongest plant I've ever grown. I don't see any advantage of uppotting to a SIP as you're not trying to build a root ball like you would for a normal wet/dry cycle grow. So you'd just be disrupting the established roots for no reason.

I'm happy to be convinced there is some advantage, I just don't see it. And the disadvantages are real.

I wonder how a SIP system would do outside with the sun beating on the res all day.

I would think it would do great as long as you could keep the reservoir from over-heating. That would probably depend on the size of the rez. The larger the longer it would last and have time to heat up.

They do amazing outside. Like, amazing. However, you have to paint white or add reflective material, otherwise gets too hot.

Could just slide it into another bucket (white is ideal) and maybe make some vent holes in that outer bucket. Or maybe burlap or bubble wrap. Just something so the sun isn't beating down on the bucket with roots all day.

Its also advised by some to run a cover, and I did on some but its mainly to prevent heavy rains from leaching into rez

The original to the SIP is the Earthbox, invented by an old tomato farmer from Florida. Those come with a cover to keep out bugs, weed seeds and rain. You cut a slit in the cover where you plant your plant.

I'd just make sure the overflow hole was large enough to handle whatever rain you'd expect to get, and put a mulch layer on the soil surface to try to keep that surface cooler.

Once your plants get big enough, they'll drain the reservoir in a bucket at least daily, so if you're worried about diluting your nutes you could just not feed them when it rains.

 

[ReservoirDog]

I did a little more reading on Hydrotropism and the moisture gradient

Top Lad! That's why I don't give a dictionary definitions, I want peeps to 'crack a book' and learn for themselves because that will be more convincing than anything I can say, frankly. It's never been easier to do.

I don't grow often from seed but I am doing that now. Direct seeded into my 2G SIP about 3 weeks ago. Topping it this weekend. It's the strongest plant I've ever grown. I don't see any advantage of uppotting to a SIP as you're not trying to build a root ball like you would for a normal wet/dry cycle grow. So you'd just be disrupting the established roots for no reason.

I'm happy to be convinced there is some advantage, I just don't see it. And the disadvantages are real.

Agreed in full. My next seeds are likely to go straight in. Only because I have developed a mini-SIP system with perforated cloth seedling baggies and was high-grading seedlings did I not previously. It's important to establish a moisture gradient from day 1. I've started rooting clones in SIPs now, we'll see how I go on that front.

 

[CBDMed]

Can you explain your up-pot method or link me to a post where you explain it? I think @Azimuth talked about running them from seed in the SIP.

Azi did, but RD starts in those cheap disintegrating nursery bags. He soaks them in a cup, so they are always bottom fed.

Thanks! I can't see ever doing that but I was curious on how it would go.

I basically run the same ratios in my nutes from start to finish with a 20% K bump in flower (from 5-2-5 to 5-2-6). Only the dilution changes as the plant grows.

Very detailed account of your grows, thanks for that! Way more than I would ever do, and I'm not even convinced that microbes and organic nutes add any benefit in the soil of a synthetic-nute-fed plant.

I wonder how a SIP system would do outside with the sun beating on the res all day.

Please give me a couple of weeks, and hopefully we will find out. I have some black shade cloth now I will wrap around. I want to put more than one drain hole.
I have to cut everything but the cocoa puff plants, and we are getting a retired policia to escort us.

 

[InTheShed]

They do amazing outside. Like, amazing. However, you have to paint white or add reflective material, otherwise gets too hot. Its also advised by some to run a cover, and I did on some but its mainly to prevent heavy rains from leaching into rez and I don't have that issue where I live during growing season. Bit of normal rain is fine, not great for seedlings as it will disrupt the moisture gradient that is the key for triggering hydrotropic response.

Oh good to know! Painting or wrapping the pot wouldn't be a problem, and I don't have to worry about rain because my plants are moved inside at night and outside during the day. The few days it rains in Los Angeles they just don't get moved outside.

I would just need to cover the drain hole when carrying them to prevent leaving a twice daily trail of res water!

Mycs and bennies are not affected by normal levels of salt nutes.

I don't think they are, I just don't think the roots use microbes when synthetic nutes are taken up without them.

Microbe Monday

LOL! Do you have any other named days?

That's why the product "Recharge" has taken off like it has amongst promix and coco growers, they can just see it working, salt nutes and all.

Until someone shows me their identical side by side clone grow with and without Recharge, it's marketing hype to me in a synthetic nute grow. I can't tell you the number of people who swear by this or that when there are any number of reasons their current grow turned out better than the last. I am 100% skeptical about the "next big thing," whatever it is.

I don't grow much from seed but I am doing that now. Direct seeded into my 2G SIP about 3 weeks ago. Topping it this weekend. It's the strongest plant I've ever grown. I don't see any advantage of uppotting to a SIP as you're not trying to build a root ball like you would for a normal wet/dry cycle grow. So you'd just be disrupting the established roots for no reason.
I'm happy to be convinced there is some advantage, I just don't see it. And the disadvantages are real.

Thanks Azi! I was thinking that's what you were thinking.

I would think it would do great as long as you could keep the reservoir from over-heating. That would probably depend on the size of the rez. The larger the longer it would last and have time to heat up.

The bigger the res the more the pot weighs when I need to carry it in and out, though in the morning and evening it might be empty when the plant is big enough. White paint and fabric might be enough.

Of course, when the air temps are in the 90s, so is the res no matter what.

Could just slide it into another bucket (white is ideal) and maybe make some vent holes in that outer bucket. Or maybe burlap or bubble wrap. Just something so the sun isn't beating down on the bucket with roots all day.

This! ↑

Top Lad! That's why I don't give a dictionary definitions, I want peeps to 'crack a book' and learn for themselves because that will be more convincing than anything I can say, frankly. It's never been easier to do.

I'd post that in LKA's thread.

Agreed in full. My next seeds are likely to go straight in. Only because I have developed a mini-SIP system with perforated cloth seedling baggies and was high-grading seedlings did I not previously. It's important to establish a moisture gradient from day 1. I've started rooting clones in SIPs now, we'll see how I go on that front.

I'm sure it will be a lot easier than dealing with the cloth baggies in a tank!

Azi did, but RD starts in those cheap disintegrating nursery bags. He soaks them in a cup, so they are always bottom fed.

Thanks gringuito!

Please give me a couple of weeks, and hopefully we will find out. I have some black shade cloth now I will wrap around. I want to put more than one drain hole.

Black works inside, not so much in the sun.

I have to cut everything but the cocoa puff plants, and we are getting a retired policia to escort us.

 

[CBDMed]

They do amazing outside. Like, amazing. However, you have to paint white or add reflective material, otherwise gets too hot. Its also advised by some to run a cover, and I did on some but its mainly to prevent heavy rains from leaching into rez and I don't have that issue where I live during growing season. Bit of normal rain is fine, not great for seedlings as it will disrupt the moisture gradient that is the key for triggering hydrotropic response.

Mycs and bennies are not affected by normal levels of salt nutes. This is science-based fact. What happens on large tracts of land using synth nutes is carbon cycle is disrupted, that's why topsoil is crap after few years modern farming.

A closed system 30 gallon container can have carbon cycle sustained with a teaspoon of leonardite/humates or a cup of compost every few months. However, on a large farm this would be very costly and thus is not done. They just up the ferts whenever they run into fertility issues and worsen the probleem. I think some people may have conflated this kind of 1000 acre farm mismanagement with using synths in any old container grow and it's just not comparable in any way. While I do defer to your experience in growing the ganja herb, I would point out that that a container grow using salt nutes is still an ideal scenario for mycs and bennies. That's why the product "Recharge" has taken off like it has amongst promix and coco growers, they can just see it working, salt nutes and all.

When I do Microbe Monday the next day the plant always have responded massively, its unmistakable. And I have a rez of salt nutes always soaking my 60% peat 40% perlite non-stop. Its a non-issue, people are really missing out. Thats why Mega Crop Original works so well, it has amino acid chelates, kelp meal (feeds microbes), and some humates, all the things I add back in because they've been removed from the 2 part to clean it up for hydro use and make NPK manipulation more possible. MC Original is a microbe-feeding powerhouse.

RD, respectfully, if you already know salts are not great for the planet, then just as a question (out of curiosity), why do you use them?

 

[Azimuth]

I've started rooting clones in SIPs now, we'll see how I go on that front.

I've not had success rooting cuts in a sip. The soil moisture rotted the cuts before they could root. I started treating them like a normal clone until I saw roots and only then started up the rez. Worked much better. For me at least.

 

[CBDMed]

I don't grow often from seed but I am doing that now. Direct seeded into my 2G SIP about 3 weeks ago. Topping it this weekend. It's the strongest plant I've ever grown. I don't see any advantage of uppotting to a SIP as you're not trying to build a root ball like you would for a normal wet/dry cycle grow. So you'd just be disrupting the established roots for no reason.

I'm happy to be convinced there is some advantage, I just don't see it. And the disadvantages are real.


I would think it would do great as long as you could keep the reservoir from over-heating. That would probably depend on the size of the rez. The larger the longer it would last and have time to heat up.


Could just slide it into another bucket (white is ideal) and maybe make some vent holes in that outer bucket. Or maybe burlap or bubble wrap. Just something so the sun isn't beating down on the bucket with roots all day.

Oy. I got black weed cloth.
I am not sure if they make white.
Should I look for white cloth, instead?
Daily highs will be maybe 70'ish.

The original to the SIP is the Earthbox, invented by an old tomato farmer from Florida. Those come with a cover to keep out bugs, weed seeds and rain. You cut a slit in the cover where you plant your plant.

I'd just make sure the overflow hole was large enough to handle whatever rain you'd expect to get, and put a mulch layer on the soil surface to try to keep that surface cooler.

Once your plants get big enough, they'll drain the reservoir in a bucket at least daily, so if you're worried about diluting your fed nutes you could just not feed them when it rains.

 

[CBDMed]

Oh good to know! Painting or wrapping the pot wouldn't be a problem, and I don't have to worry about rain because my plants are moved inside at night and outside during the day. The few days it rains in Los Angeles they just don't get moved outside.

I would just need to cover the drain hole when carrying them to prevent leaving a twice daily trail of res water!

I don't think they do, I just don't think the roots use microbes when synthetic nutes are taken up without them.

LOL! Do you have any other named days?

Until someone shows me their identical side by side clone grow with and without Recharge, it's marketing hype to me in a synthetic nute grow. I can't tell you the number of people who swear by this or that when there are any number of reasons their current grow turned out better than the last. I am 100% skeptical about the "next big thing," whatever it is.

Thanks Azi! I was thinking that's what you were thinking.

The bigger the res the more the pot weighs when I need to carry it in and out, though in the morning and evening it might be empty when the plant is big enough. White paint and fabric might be enough.

Of course, when the air temps are in the 90s, so is the res no matter what.

This! ↑

I'd post that in LKA's thread.

I'm sure it will be a lot easier than dealing with the cloth baggies in a tank!

Thanks gringuito!

Glad to help if I can.

Black works inside, not so much in the sun.

Ohhh.... ok.
But so do I paint my cloth pots white??
And how important is it at 70F / 21C and overcast daily?

 

[InTheShed]

Ohhh.... ok. But so do I paint my cloth pots white?? And how important is it at 70F / 21C and overcast daily?

If you're growing in the sun, black pots get very hot. It's why I don't use black GeoPots. And it's never always 70º and overcast!

 

[Azimuth]

Oy. I got black weed cloth.
I am not sure if they make white.
Should I look for white cloth, instead?
Daily highs will be maybe 70'ish.

If your buckets have a taper to them (and most do) just hang it from the upper rim but don't attach it to the bucket walls. That way it'll hang down and shade the bucket and also provide a thin air space that will act as a bit of an insulator.

 

[CBDMed]

If you're growing in the sun, black pots get very hot. It's why I don't use black GeoPots. And it's never always 70º and overcast!

Right.
In winter it is more like 64'ish daily, and in summer it is more like 70'ish daily.
("Tropics be different, mon!")

 

[InTheShed]

Right. In winter it is more like 64'ish daily, and in summer it is more like 70'ish daily. ("Tropics be different, mon!")

LOL, temps aside, the sun never comes out?

 

[CBDMed]

If your buckets have a taper to them (and most do) just hang it from the upper rim but don't attach it to the bucket walls. That way it'll hang down and shade the bucket and also provide a thin air space that will act as a bit of an insulator.

Thank you, Azi!
(Again!)
Makes perfect sense.

 

[CBDMed]

LOL, temps aside if the sun never comes out you're not getting the best harvest!

Correcto, sí.
(BIG sigh....)
If it is warm and rain, there is coca production, and hence, guerrillas.
So the next best we could do was cool and wet (and the cocoa puff plants need to go in a greenhouse, right next to their canna cousins...). Then there are no guerrillas.

...Sadly, 'tis one of the downsides of temperate rainforest, but it is an overall part of the overall package deal.
(I could ask the Man upstairs for a Line Item Veto, but I don't think I'd get it!)

 

[InTheShed]

Correcto, sí. (BIG sigh....) If it is warm and rain, there is coca production, and hence, guerrillas. So the next best we could do was cool and wet (and the cocoa puff plants need to go in a greenhouse, right next to their canna cousins and the yage)... 'Tis one of the downsides of temperate rainforest, but it is an overall part of the overall package deal. (I could ask the Man upstairs for a Line Item Veto, but I don't think I'd get it!)

If the sun isn't on the pot then you don't need to shade it. No sun, no radiant heat.

 

[KeithLemon]

Top Lad! That's why I don't give a dictionary definitions, I want peeps to 'crack a book' and learn for themselves because that will be more convincing than anything I can say, frankly. It's never been easier to do.

Agreed in full. My next seeds are likely to go straight in. Only because I have developed a mini-SIP system with perforated cloth seedling baggies and was high-grading seedlings did I not previously. It's important to establish a moisture gradient from day 1. I've started rooting clones in SIPs now, we'll see how I go on that front.

This is true

 

[ReservoirDog]

I am 100% skeptical about the "next big thing," whatever it is.

Here, here. But again, after Microbe Monday Tuesday morning always dawns brighter and greener than all the rest. Call it, "Testament Tuesday" if you like. lol. We really tie one on Microbe Monday though so things are pretty laid back until "Thirsty Thursday" when, well, you can guess what I do then, I, "Top her up with Premium, Mack!"

RD, respectfully, if you already know salts are not great for the planet, then just as a question (out of curiosity), why do you use them?

Reread. I am not claiming that in my usage scenario they are bad for the planet, quite the opposite. I have an extremely sustainable setup. Context is everything, my friend. Why, when you know it's dangerous, are you doing... well, whatever it is you're doing? When you have to pay someone for personal security you have immediately opened a dangerous flank to anyone with more money than you. I hope you will be safe but I fear you are not.

 

[ReservoirDog]

PS thanks for the great discussion, Shed. I'm stuck in bed, recup'ing, and it's gorgeous outside with 1000 jobs that need doing out there. Some discussion has kept the angst at bay, Cheers.

 

[InTheShed]

PS thanks for the great discussion, Shed. I'm stuck in bed, recup'ing, and it's gorgeous outside with 1000 jobs that need doing out there. Some discussion has kept the angst at bay, Cheers.

Glad to help you pass the time RD! Thanks for great SIP info and feel better soon.

 

[Dutchman1990]

Happy Sunday night/Monday morning, and here is the harvest update on Trainwreck from @Weed Seeds Express! I would also like to thank them for giving me the opportunity to grow this plant. Here's how they describe it on their website:

Trainwreck seeds let you grow a potent and exhilarating Sativa-dominant hybrid that’s well-known for its bold and mind-bending high. This is all due to her astonishing THC levels, which can peak above 20%.

Popular throughout Northern California, this great strain possesses a wonderful woody aroma with layers of sharp, sweet citrus. Unlike other Sativa hybrids, Trainwreck wears her Indica qualities well, producing long-lasting and soothing effects that will leave you relaxed and in total euphoria.

A new favorite among hobby growers, Trainwreck is a dream to work with. She grows lusciously green and grey thanks to the thick trichome coverage. It’s a sure-fire hit with Sativa fans looking for their next classic strain.

Why you should buy feminized Trainwreck seeds:

• Big THC blast with stimulating effects
• Aromatic sweet and citrus aroma
• Well-loved for her medicinal use
• Great yield potential

Specifications Trainwreck feminized seeds

THC level	20%
CBD level	0.4%
CBG Level	0.06%
Variety	40% Indica / 60% Sativa
Genetics	Mexican x Thai x Afghani
Max yield indoor	400 to 500 grams/m²
Max yield outdoor	500 to 850 grams/plant
Height indoor	125 to 150 cm
Height outdoor	140 to 220 cm
Flowering time	56 to 63 days
Fungal Resistance	High
Growersprofile	Beginner
Cultivation	Indoor, Outdoor, Greenhouse
Climate	Mediterranean, Arid, Tropical
Flavors	Earthy, Sweet, Citrus
Effects	Creative, Euphoric, Calming, Focused, Relaxed
SCROG suitable	yes

Today was flip day 69 after 98 days of veg, for a total above ground of 167 days. It had stopped drinking so it was time for the chop even though I still wasn't sick of looking at (in spite of the damage from the heat wave we had around Labor Day)!

Enough chatter, on to some pics. Fans came off on Friday:

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Trainwreck pre-harvest fan removal

A few samplers that came off as well, shown here in a toaster canoe for fast drying:

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testers

Here it was this morning untied and full flop:

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69

The deed is done:

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69

Save the bones for Henry Jones:

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69
bones

Here are the few rotten ones I took off while I was chopping:

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69
rot removed

Getting ready to wash in 4 gallons of water with 3/4 cup of baking soda and 151g of citric acid (1% solution):

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69

It bubbled right out of the bucket!

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69

During the wash I rescued about 15 ladybug larvae and washed and killed countless aphids. Why do we wash?

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Trainwreck wash water

I do a one bucket wash, hose off the stack on a wicker table, and one bucket rinse. Then I hang them on strings to dry in front of fans for an hour or so, and then start to trim.

My wife and daughter and I trimmed in the garage and listened to (since you can't watch and trim at the same time!) the Nick Kroll Netflix standup special, and then John Mulaney at Radio City (for the umteenth time). I had gotten a head start on the big colas while finishing the Michigan/Iowa game so I'd say the entire trim time was about 3 hours.

I went over all of them to check for rot and trimmed off some spots here and there but nothing major.

Here they all are ready for transport to the tent, which has been empty for a while now, so perfect for drying:

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69

And the loose ones I saved from the wash water:

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69
testers

Here are the tops hanging on the bottom row where there is the most airflow:

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69

And here is the whole harvest:

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Trainwreck harvest, flip day 69

There are two clip fans along with the 4" exhaust fan at the top of the tent, and the bottom of the door is open along with the three vents. Tuesday morning I'll start to slow the drying down a bit and try to extend it to 7 days.

And that's it for the Trainwreck harvest! Purple Urkle has slowed down but still drinking some, so it will come down next weekend. Stay tuned...

Nice harvest Shed! What’s next on the horizon for fun!?