InTheShed Grows Inside & Out: Jump In Any Time

[Jon]

Because I don't want anyone to use that as a guide because I have no idea if it works. I don't do tutorials/lessons/how-to's unless they're time-tested and proven to work. There are folks who have done this a lot more often and successfully than I have who may or may not tell me what to do differently. Last time I mixed the pollen with flour and that was a mistake. See?

Don't do as I do if I tell you not to!

Damn, I wish all the people who post bro science on the net and refer to it as fact would learn a little lesson in responsibility and not fuc-ing your fellow man from you....I do something similar, I just say things like "this is just my opinion" and such a lot. Lol. At least I do my best to qualify that which I know to be fact from that which is not. Everyone should in some fashion imho.

 

[BooWho2]

I don't pre-wet the soil ever.

Your journal is stupendous as always. I have a question about this quote. I (and you, I believe) use ProMix HP for my grows and I believe the instructions on the bag say to wet it prior to using it? I always wet that soil in order to make it not so dry and, well, you know…. Am I misunderstanding what your comment is? I’m still gonna do it, just want to understand what you are saying.

 

[InTheShed]

A very fair answer to what I hope you thought was a fair question!

Very fair question Jon!

Damn, I wish all the people who post bro science on the net and refer to it as fact would learn a little lesson in responsibility and not fuc-ing your fellow man from you....I do something similar, I just say things like "this is just my opinion" and such a lot. Lol. At least I do my best to qualify that which I know to be fact from that which is not. Everyone should in some fashion imho.

I try to let folks know when I think I know something and why it works, and also let them know when I'm just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks!

Like this:

Your journal is stupendous as always. I have a question about this quote. I (and you, I believe) use ProMix HP for my grows and I believe the instructions on the bag say to wet it prior to using it? I always wet that soil in order to make it not so dry and, well, you know…. Am I misunderstanding what your comment is? I’m still gonna do it, just want to understand what you are saying.

I don't remember my ProMix HP bag saying to wet it first (going outside right now to check...this is what it says:

"Water to moisten"! Well oil beef hooked. ).

They also say on their website that it can take 3 or 4 days after wetting for the lime to start adjusting the pH so maybe that's why?

Either way I prefer to control the amount of water on planting so I don't wet it until I want it wet. Of course you don't seem to have encountered a problem doing it your way!

 

[BooWho2]

Very fair question Jon!

I try to let folks know when I think I know something and why it works, and also let them know when I'm just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks!

Like this:

I don't remember my ProMix HP bag saying to wet it first (going outside right now to check...this is what it says:

"Water to moisten" !).

They also say on their website that it can take 3 or 4 days after wetting for the lime to start adjusting the pH so maybe that's why?

Either way I prefer to control the amount of water on planting so I don't wet it until I want it wet. Of course you don't seem to have encountered a problem doing it your way!

You should look further up where it says “preparation”. “Add water until slightly moist to the touch”. That’s what I’ve been going by…?

 

[InTheShed]

You should look further up where it says “preparation”. “Add water until slightly moist to the touch”. That’s what I’ve been going by…?

I edited mine after reading it again just before you posted!

Still won't be doing it though.

 

[Stunger]

Well oil beef hooked.

 

[BooWho2]

I try to let folks know when I think I know something and why it works, and also let them know when I'm just throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks!

And so, which one of the above was your response to me attributed to?

 

[InTheShed]

:Thanks:

And so, which one of the above was your response to me attributed to?

The latter. It's just what I do!

 

[BeezLuiz]

Just a few shots of the Jack Herer 1.1, on flip day 15, starting with a full shot of the plant, with a reference chair for @smokesbetter :

That JH is a beauty! Using the chair as reference was really helpful to give a true appreciation of Jack's size.

Blurry close-up because crap camera on new Samsung S20:

I agree. My S21 camera sucks at focusing compared to my old S8 that it replaced. I often find myself having to put it into manual mode (actually called "Pro") just to get it to focus correctly.

So I don't worry about that because I don't need more production off my plants, or even worry about the unmeasurable maximization of my yields. I do need less time with a trimming scissors in my hands working on itty bitty flowers.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm a true convert into the #nolarf club.

 

[smokesbetter]

Send me some that pollen and I will see what kind of buds I can get from my tomatoes , I think you got the most of it second time screened / I would skip the first one next time if me . Seeds before long ?

 

[InTheShed]

That JH is a beauty! Using the chair as reference was really helpful to give a true appreciation of Jack's size.

Thanks BL! The chair was all @smokesbetter's idea.

I agree. My S21 camera sucks at focusing compared to my old S8 that it replaced. I often find myself having to put it into manual mode (actually called "Pro") just to get it to focus correctly.

On my S7 when I went into professional mode for manual focus, it would enlarge the area so you could see to focus. Now it doesn't so I find the manual aspect useless!

I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm a true convert into the #nolarf club.

I should think so given the size of your beasts! You would wear down the blades of your bowl trimmer trying to get all the larf through if you left it on.

Send me some that pollen and I will see what kind of buds I can get from my tomatoes , I think you got the most of it second time screened / I would skip the first one next time if me . Seeds before long ?

I'm with you sb. Next time it's straight to the 80 mesh screen. Seeds eventually I hope.

 

[BeezLuiz]

I should think so given the size of your beasts! You would wear down the blades of your bowl trimmer trying to get all the larf through if you left it on.

 

[InTheShed]

I was engaged in a lively discussion on another thread about the old topic of adjusting the pH of our nutrients. Their reasoning for doing it seemed solely based on the fact that we grow in containers vs. growing in the field.

So, because I care about facts, I went searching for a study on the difference between field plants and plants in containers. Guess what...I found one!

Because we can't link to pdf files, I'm going to drop this research article here that (at least for peat-based growing media), the pH of the water also does not affect the plants GROWN IN CONTAINERS.

It states the following results:
1. "pH did not play a role in micronutrient availability from soilless mix components in containers."
2. "All species of plants in the mix with pH in the low 4 range were just as green and vigorous as those at 7.0 or approaching pH 10.0."

Don't believe the hype.

When I find a study like this for soil in containers I will let you know. Is there a reason the pH of the nutes would be more important in soil than it is in peat mixes or even 80% sand?

 

[Emilya Green]

I was engaged in a lively discussion on another thread about the old topic of adjusting the pH of our nutrients. Their reasoning for doing it seemed solely based on the fact that we grow in containers vs. growing in the field.

So, because I care about facts, I went searching for a study on the difference between field plants and plants in containers. Guess what...I found one!

Because we can't link to pdf files, I'm going to drop this research article here that (at least for peat-based growing media), the pH of the water also does not affect the plants GROWN IN CONTAINERS.

It states the following results:
1. "pH did not play a role in micronutrient availability from soilless mix components in containers."
2. "All species of plants in the mix with pH in the low 4 range were just as green and vigorous as those at 7.0 or approaching pH 10.0."

Don't believe the hype.

When I find a study like this for soil in containers I will let you know. Is there a reason the pH of the nutes would be more important in soil than it is in peat mixes or even 80% sand?

Find a study that talks about the importance of pH when using chelated nutrients in a closed container. The study above assumes that all nutrients are available and mobile in the medium and therefore does not address this problem of unavailability due to pH and does not make your point.

 

[InTheShed]

Find a study that talks about the importance of pH when using chelated nutrients in a closed container. The study above assumes that all nutrients are available and mobile in the medium and therefore does not address this problem of unavailability due to pH and does not make your point.

Thanks for stopping by Emilya!

It's the pH of the soil that matters, not the pH of the water. I already posted the information proving you wrong in Jon's thread, but here it is so my subs can see it:

HS1208/HS1208: Understanding and Applying Chelated Fertilizers Effectively Based on Soil pH

A UF/IFAS numbered Fact Sheet.

edis.ifas.ufl.edu

Maybe you should do a bit of research too.

 

[BakedARea]

Is there a reason the pH of the nutes would be more important in soil than it is in peat mixes or even 80% sand?

I don't think pH of nutes is more important for soil growers. If it is a balanced soil mix, then the buffer for your irrigation solution has far more impact on the actual pH of the soil. The better the organic matter content, the better its ability to manage the pH. That's my limited understanding of it. And I'm quite low on the totem pole of smartypantness.

The study above assumes that all nutrients are available and mobile in the medium and therefore does not address this problem of unavailability due to pH

Ummm...sorry Em but I think these two paragraphs summarize their findings and I find it quite interesting how thorough of a test they performed to document the number of drenches to actually change the media's pH. I am not reading any assumptions in their findings and paper. I see some data and a conclusion. A pretty rock solid conclusion if I may add. The lockouts are caused by the accumulated calcium, driving down the availability of nutrients. That is my understanding.

If I may add to this discussion , I am primarily an organic soil grower. I have come to the conclusion myself, that I no longer give a rat's ass about my irrigation solution pH or that of my soil pH. I load the soil up with microbes and organic matter so they can worry about it for me. I irrigate with filtered tap water that averages 7+ pH. I sometimes add supplements and/or additives to my water (i.e. SNS209, Kelp Extract, Kelzyme, etc.), but I don't bother with measuring the pH. I stopped caring about my irrigation pH sometime last year. This paper has only solidified my staunch stance on that. When I try out hydro or soilless media, I will likely not worry too much about it then either. Unless I need to?! Based on this, as long as I am regularly clearing out any accumulated calcium or the like, I won't have much to worry about.

@InTheShed Did this paper make you consider your no-flush club stance in regard to salts and excess calcium, etc.? I know that is a topic of contention around these parts. Figured I would stir up the pot some more.

 

[InTheShed]

I don't think pH of nutes is more important for soil growers.

I was asking if there would be a reason it would be more important in soil than it isn't here in a mix of peat, sand, and bark.

Did this paper make you consider your no-flush club stance in regard to salts and excess calcium, etc.? I

I encourage people to flush excess salts from their substrates. I disabuse them of the notion that you can flush nutes from your buds.

 

[BakedARea]

I disabuse them of the notion that you can flush nutes from your buds.

Ahhhh...that's right!!! That was a duh moment for me. Sorry. Haaa haaaa

 

[Baron Von Blurple]

Quick question, more of a request really.

Could you use a empty bottle of Terpinator or left over re re distilled bottle of Everclear for a pot?

I think that says "Hey...look at me!" more so then a Big Gulp cup.

 

[Jon]

Quick question, more of a request really.

Could you use a empty bottle of Terpinator or left over re re distilled bottle of Everclear for a pot?

I think that says "Hey...look at me!" more so then a Big Gulp cup.

An empty big Terpinator bottle? Sure, why not? Just poke or drill holes in the bottom, and if you really want to get cute, use a drill and create a Terpinator AirPot with a couple dozen holes in the sides to get air to your sure to be locked up roots. I bet it would work great and look cool as hell. Then just to be ornery make sure to use a non-Terpinator product in place of when you would normally use that. Lol!!!