InTheShed Grows Inside & Out: Jump In Any Time

[InTheShed]

Just saw a really good movie that most of you won't get to see on the big screen, called Stan & Ollie, with Steve Coogan and John C Reilly. And afterwards there was an audience Q&A with John C Reilly himself!

Rain is coming down, and the soil line temp is 65º and the canopy is 72º. I hope it stops raining early tomorrow so I can feed the Sour G. I found the epsom salt in the back of a shelf in the shed. Most of it is a solid block but there is some shaking around in there. I'm sure I can get a teaspoon or two out of it!

 

[JustMeds]

I like your idea of flushing a good bit through the pot and then giving a good balanced drench. When what comes out is the same as what goes in you are there.

 

[newty]

Omg!! I love John C Reilly #luckyduck


We already chatted about your plant so I’ll wait and see what happens with fingers crossed

Those Candidas are looking much sturdier than mine did. I’m guessing you have Indica phenos? Are the branches flimsy? Mine were terrible! Here is some inspiration for yours

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• newty
• Jan 6, 2019

 

[Chris Scorpio]

My Candida where never flimsy , started looking indica but for sure ended up sativa's

I got a nice Purple one as well last winter, cool nights turned her that way

 

[newty]

Yes cool as f here and they all got a touch of purple. Candida was the nicest for sure

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

I found the epsom salt in the back of a shelf in the shed. Most of it is a solid block but there is some shaking around in there. I'm sure I can get a teaspoon or two out of it!

Smash that bag! Free therapy.
Any chance she’s low on nitrogen? I’ve been doing some more studying and a photo popped up that looked similar to your sour g leaves. Good luck Shed, I know you’ll get it straightened out, whatever the cause.

 

[TheMadDabber]

As promised....
DABBER PRESENTS: PSM and Stankberry grown REMO STYLE. A canniversary grow

 

[High Wally]

I thought about Nitrogen too. But seems like the feedings are normal, the plant response is abnormal indicating some kind of lockout. I think @InTheShed is on the right track for resolution. Cheers everyone!

 

[InTheShed]

I like your idea of flushing a good bit through the pot and then giving a good balanced drench. When what comes out is the same as what goes in you are there.

It really needed flushing! See below...

Omg!! I love John C Reilly #luckyduck
We already chatted about your plant so I’ll wait and see what happens with fingers crossed
Those Candidas are looking much sturdier than mine did. I’m guessing you have Indica phenos? Are the branches flimsy? Mine were terrible! Here is some inspiration for yours

The very tops are a little wobbly but as it gets taller it gets firmer. It also seems top heavy with the failed FIM.

John C Reilly seemed very genuine. Had I known you were a fan I would have gotten his phone number for you .

My Candida where never flimsy , started looking indica but for sure ended up sativa's
I got a nice Purple one as well last winter, cool nights turned her that way

Cool nights I got. We'll see if I get a pretty one in fade.

Smash that bag! Free therapy.
Any chance she’s low on nitrogen? I’ve been doing some more studying and a photo popped up that looked similar to your sour g leaves. Good luck Shed, I know you’ll get it straightened out, whatever the cause.

Thanks double H! I had an interesting morning with the TDS and pH meter .

As promised....
DABBER PRESENTS: PSM and Stankberry grown REMO STYLE. A canniversary grow

Thanks Them! Heading over there after this post...

I thought about Nitrogen too. But seems like the feedings are normal, the plant response is abnormal indicating some kind of lockout. I think @InTheShed is on the right track for resolution. Cheers everyone!

Thanks Wally! Lockout would be good advice...
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Sunday afternoon update 1 of 2. This one will be text only because y'all don't to see photos of the pH and TDS meter, and Norcaliwood will just never know what happened .

I'll do this as simply as I can, but there's a lot of info! I decided to mix up two gallons of nutes and see how the runoff was before I decided to flush. So into a gallon went:
1/2 tsp Pro-tekt
6ml cal-mag+
1.5 tsp Grow Big
which brought my TDS to 925 (nutes only).
Then I added 1 tsp epsom salt (I poured some nute water into a cup and heated it in the microwave so the epsom salt would dissolve), which brought my TDS to 1450 total (including tap), pH'd to 6.5.

I ran these two gallons through the Sour G.

What came out was rather shocking! 2700 TDS at 5.8 pH.

I don't know why @flashmp3 's pH advice wasn't ringing in my head the whole time! I was, as Wally just said, locked out of magnesium and calcium and loaded with stored nutes (because the plant wasn't able to take them up).

NOW it was time to flush! I ran the hose water through it until I got down to 450 (215 above tap) and 6.7 pH. After that drained I mixed up a gallon of nutes. As I have always said, never starve your plant, so after a correcting flush make sure you feed your babies.

Into this gallon went:
1/2 tsp Pro-tekt
6ml cal-mag+
1 tsp Grow Big
which brought my TDS to 650 (nutes only).
Then I added 1 tsp epsom salt which brought my TDS to 1450 total (including tap), pH'd to 6.5.

What came out was 602 TDS at 6.7 pH, which leaves me headroom for the next watering (whenever that is...this pot is heavy! ).

So...what did we learn on the show tonight, Craig? We learned that whenever your soil plant is acting completely unexpected, check the pH of the runoff, just as flashmp3 told me last year! Duh.

Thanks to all of you who came to my aid . Let's see how it looks in a couple of days. It still needs nutes, but it should begin eating again.

Update 2 with pics later on today. Stay Sunday all!

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

It really needed flushing! See below...

The very tops are a little wobbly but as it gets taller it gets firmer. It also seems top heavy with the failed FIM.

John C Reilly seemed very genuine. Had I known you were a fan I would have gotten his phone number for you .

Cool nights I got. We'll see if I get a pretty one in fade.

Thanks double H! I had an interesting morning with the TDS and pH meter .

Thanks Them! Heading over there after this post...

Thanks Wally! Lockout would be good advice...
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Sunday afternoon update 1 of 2. This one will be text only because y'all don't to see photos of the pH and TDS meter, and Norcaliwood will just never know what happened .

I'll do this as simply as I can, but there's a lot of info! I decided to mix up two gallons of nutes and see how the runoff was before I decided to flush. So into a gallon went:
1/2 tsp Pro-tekt
6ml cal-mag+
1.5 tsp Grow Big
which brought my TDS to 925 (nutes only).
Then I added 1 tsp epsom salt (I poured some nute water into a cup and heated it in the microwave so the epsom salt would dissolve), which brought my TDS to 1450 total (including tap), pH'd to 6.5.

I ran these two gallons through the Sour G.

What came out was rather shocking! 2700 TDS at 5.8 pH.

I don't know why @flashmp3 's pH advice wasn't ringing in my head the whole time! I was, as Wally just said, locked out of magnesium and calcium and loaded with stored nutes (because the plant wasn't able to take them up).

NOW it was time to flush! I ran the hose water through it until I got down to 450 (215 above tap) and 6.7 pH. After that drained I mixed up a gallon of nutes. As I have always said, never starve your plant, so after a correcting flush make sure you feed your babies.

Into this gallon went:
1/2 tsp Pro-tekt
6ml cal-mag+
1 tsp Grow Big
which brought my TDS to 650 (nutes only).
Then I added 1 tsp epsom salt which brought my TDS to 1450 total (including tap), pH'd to 6.5.

What came out was 602 TDS at 6.7 pH, which leaves me headroom for the next watering (whenever that is...this pot is heavy! ).

So...what did we learn on the show tonight, Craig? We learned that whenever your soil plant is acting completely unexpected, check the pH of the runoff, just as flashmp3 told me last year! Duh.

Thanks to all of you who came to my aid . Let's see how it looks in a couple of days. It still needs nutes, but it should begin eating again.

Update 2 with pics later on today. Stay Sunday all!

This was extremely helpful for me. I recently got a tds meter, but I’ve been dragging my feet on figuring out how to use it. Reading about you using it and troubleshooting with it is exactly what I needed. Thanks Shed! Glad you got her all fixed up and double glad it wasn’t because of your fancy light.

 

[flashmp3]

It really needed flushing! See below...

The very tops are a little wobbly but as it gets taller it gets firmer. It also seems top heavy with the failed FIM.

John C Reilly seemed very genuine. Had I known you were a fan I would have gotten his phone number for you .

Cool nights I got. We'll see if I get a pretty one in fade.

Thanks double H! I had an interesting morning with the TDS and pH meter .

Thanks Them! Heading over there after this post...

Thanks Wally! Lockout would be good advice...
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Sunday afternoon update 1 of 2. This one will be text only because y'all don't to see photos of the pH and TDS meter, and Norcaliwood will just never know what happened .

I'll do this as simply as I can, but there's a lot of info! I decided to mix up two gallons of nutes and see how the runoff was before I decided to flush. So into a gallon went:
1/2 tsp Pro-tekt
6ml cal-mag+
1.5 tsp Grow Big
which brought my TDS to 925 (nutes only).
Then I added 1 tsp epsom salt (I poured some nute water into a cup and heated it in the microwave so the epsom salt would dissolve), which brought my TDS to 1450 total (including tap), pH'd to 6.5.

I ran these two gallons through the Sour G.

What came out was rather shocking! 2700 TDS at 5.8 pH.

I don't know why @flashmp3 's pH advice wasn't ringing in my head the whole time! I was, as Wally just said, locked out of magnesium and calcium and loaded with stored nutes (because the plant wasn't able to take them up).

NOW it was time to flush! I ran the hose water through it until I got down to 450 (215 above tap) and 6.7 pH. After that drained I mixed up a gallon of nutes. As I have always said, never starve your plant, so after a correcting flush make sure you feed your babies.

Into this gallon went:
1/2 tsp Pro-tekt
6ml cal-mag+
1 tsp Grow Big
which brought my TDS to 650 (nutes only).
Then I added 1 tsp epsom salt which brought my TDS to 1450 total (including tap), pH'd to 6.5.

What came out was 602 TDS at 6.7 pH, which leaves me headroom for the next watering (whenever that is...this pot is heavy! ).

So...what did we learn on the show tonight, Craig? We learned that whenever your soil plant is acting completely unexpected, check the pH of the runoff, just as flashmp3 told me last year! Duh.

Thanks to all of you who came to my aid . Let's see how it looks in a couple of days. It still needs nutes, but it should begin eating again.

Update 2 with pics later on today. Stay Sunday all!

Wonderful!

 

[TheMadDabber]

Yikes! Well glad you caught it before it was too late. Your course of action is a great one if I may say so myself!

That bit about woody missing the post had me laughing out loud lmao.

Hope your weekend has gone well buddy!

 

[Dutchman1990]

It really needed flushing! See below...

The very tops are a little wobbly but as it gets taller it gets firmer. It also seems top heavy with the failed FIM.

John C Reilly seemed very genuine. Had I known you were a fan I would have gotten his phone number for you .

Cool nights I got. We'll see if I get a pretty one in fade.

Thanks double H! I had an interesting morning with the TDS and pH meter .

Thanks Them! Heading over there after this post...

Thanks Wally! Lockout would be good advice...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sunday afternoon update 1 of 2. This one will be text only because y'all don't to see photos of the pH and TDS meter, and Norcaliwood will just never know what happened .

I'll do this as simply as I can, but there's a lot of info! I decided to mix up two gallons of nutes and see how the runoff was before I decided to flush. So into a gallon went:
1/2 tsp Pro-tekt
6ml cal-mag+
1.5 tsp Grow Big
which brought my TDS to 925 (nutes only).
Then I added 1 tsp epsom salt (I poured some nute water into a cup and heated it in the microwave so the epsom salt would dissolve), which brought my TDS to 1450 total (including tap), pH'd to 6.5.

I ran these two gallons through the Sour G.

What came out was rather shocking! 2700 TDS at 5.8 pH.

I don't know why @flashmp3 's pH advice wasn't ringing in my head the whole time! I was, as Wally just said, locked out of magnesium and calcium and loaded with stored nutes (because the plant wasn't able to take them up).

NOW it was time to flush! I ran the hose water through it until I got down to 450 (215 above tap) and 6.7 pH. After that drained I mixed up a gallon of nutes. As I have always said, never starve your plant, so after a correcting flush make sure you feed your babies.

Into this gallon went:
1/2 tsp Pro-tekt
6ml cal-mag+
1 tsp Grow Big
which brought my TDS to 650 (nutes only).
Then I added 1 tsp epsom salt which brought my TDS to 1450 total (including tap), pH'd to 6.5.

What came out was 602 TDS at 6.7 pH, which leaves me headroom for the next watering (whenever that is...this pot is heavy! ).

So...what did we learn on the show tonight, Craig? We learned that whenever your soil plant is acting completely unexpected, check the pH of the runoff, just as flashmp3 told me last year! Duh.

Thanks to all of you who came to my aid . Let's see how it looks in a couple of days. It still needs nutes, but it should begin eating again.

Update 2 with pics later on today. Stay Sunday all!

Yikes ! Glad you got that in check and sorted out in time!! I’m sure sour g is thanking your and will liven up!

 

[Amy Gardner]

Man! Nice work on that BT auto!
I wanna be you when I grow up

considered one of those floor heating mats?

Yeah - Duggan got one recently for this purpose, to warm his grow room. It’s wirking great he said. Got one that’s designed to keep the snow off your porch

So if the fan and driver thing isn’t quite cutting it Shed a heat mat might... heat mat, insulating foam and then pot. I don’t think it’d get too warm for the roots (and I’m talking about the shed here, not the inside house option). It’s the cold slab that is your enemy mostly I think.

The drive and fan thing seems good for now tho...

the branch sitting next to me was asking to be folded:

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• InTheShed
• Friday at 4:45 PM

AK-47
And from one budsite, many:

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• InTheShed
• Friday at 4:45 PM

AK-47
Obvious to some, helpful to others!

Ok great! So where on that branch did you super crop it!?

had run out of large t-shirts, I got a medium, modeled here by my darling daughter who will be taking it back to college on Sunday:

I’m jelly ! I asked for a med or small and got an XL (so it’s become a sleeping tent )

Looks great on her - amazing to think that the time is now that she can wear this on campus with gay abandon!

sure my FIM is a miss and I'm ready to top it. Tell me I'm wrong!

I thought that from the start, bc it looked just like all of the FIMs I have FIMed

I kept quiet bc others were saying it looked right - but many folks told me that, too, and they were wrong every time.

going to top that FIM tomorrow...

guessing you have Indica phenos?

Hey newty! That’s what I thought too They look quite different from mine. Although sounds like Chris’s did a transformer ... time will tell

 

[FelipeBlu]

I ran these two gallons through the Sour G.

What came out was rather shocking! 2700 TDS at 5.8 pH.

At what point during the two gallons do you sample your runoff?

 

[InTheShed]

This was extremely helpful for me. I recently got a tds meter, but I’ve been dragging my feet on figuring out how to use it. Reading about you using it and troubleshooting with it is exactly what I needed. Thanks Shed! Glad you got her all fixed up and double glad it wasn’t because of your fancy light.

Any time I can help let me know. I'm a wiz with a TDS meter!

Wonderful!

Yikes! Well glad you caught it before it was too late. Your course of action is a great one if I may say so myself!
That bit about woody missing the post had me laughing out loud lmao.
Hope your weekend has gone well buddy!

The funniest thing is he'll never know .

Yikes ! Glad you got that in check and sorted out in time!! I’m sure sour g is thanking your and will liven up!

I sure hope so. It weighs a ton now so I hope it's got enough to eat in among all that wetness!

It’s the cold slab that is your enemy mostly I think.
The drive and fan thing seems good for now tho...

So far so good. I didn't get to home depot to get the foam slab (I spent too long replacing the toilet in the master bath...those old wax rings are a pain in the butt to remove). I do have that shiny bubble wrap down for some of them and the Candidas are on boxes of drywall screws! Does that count?

Ok great! So where on that branch did you super crop it!?

Just above the first site with the arrow. I'll get a picture tomorrow of how it looks.

Looks great on her - amazing to think that the time is now that she can wear this on campus with gay abandon!

I'm waiting for the day she's wearing it in a snapchat story or IG post.

I thought that from the start, bc it looked just like all of the FIMs I have FIMed. I kept quiet bc others were saying it looked right - but many folks told me that, too, and they were wrong every time.

I have pics of it I'll put up soon, and I'm sure it's not a FIM. I didn't top it today because of all the time I spent on Sour G, but first thing tomorrow...off with its head!

Although sounds like Chris’s did a transformer ... time will tell

I'm happy either way. But low and wide is my specialty .

At what point during the two gallons do you sample your runoff?

Now Felipe, you know me better than that. I measured every 16 ounces as it ran out. I posted the peak.

 

[FelipeBlu]

Now Felipe, you know me better than that. I measured every 16 ounces as it ran out. I posted the peak.

So when was the peak? I assume you continued to flush after seeing those values. Did you combine all of the 16 oz samples, and measure the pH and TDS of that?

 

[InTheShed]

So when was the peak? I assume you continued to flush after seeing those values. Did you combine all of the 16 oz samples, and measure the pH and TDS of that?

Nope. I don't want an average. I want to know what the peak number is. That tells me how much is stored unused in the soil. The number goes down over time as the lower TDS nutes begin to act as a flush. I'm sure you don't see a problem with this.

 

[InTheShed]

So...I promised a second update and here it is!

Let me start by showing the not-FIM:

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• InTheShed
• Jan 6, 2019

Candida no way this is a FIM

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• InTheShed
• Jan 6, 2019

Candida no way this is a FIM

I've already got 3 sets of leaves that look mangled and all I can see is alternating nodes. I'm topping it tomorrow morning as I think there won't be any watering to do.

The other part of this update is a bit of show and tell. A few days ago I mentioned to Dutch that when he takes off a node, he doesn't need to take the adjoining fan leave as well. He had already taken a few top leaves from his quadline and was removing the bottom shoots, so I mentioned that leaving the fans underneath would allow the plant more surface area to absorb the light.

If you've been following my grows for a while you've seen this before, but since folks come and go here I thought it was worth another mention. In veg, the plant knows how many fans it needs to thrive, which is why when you defoliate, it grows new fans and often looks the same a week later. It has replaced the fans that were removed.

However, we don't want the plant to spend its time growing bud sites or side branching that will never produce what we want, so we take those off. This enables the plant to spend more energy growing topside, where we want our colas to be. You may notice that, while the plant replaces the fans we take off in veg, it doesn't spend a lot of time replacing these lower branches.

This is why I take the growth but leave the adjoining fans. Here is an example, as I spent about 10 minutes thinning undergrowth from my Peyote Critical:

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• InTheShed
• Jan 6, 2019

Peyote Critical thinning time

Here is a lower bud site that is never going to be worthwhile but the plant is expending energy growing it:

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• InTheShed
• Jan 6, 2019

Peyote Critical thinning time

So I took off the budlet (pardon the dry hands, they spent the day in and out of water):

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• InTheShed
• Jan 6, 2019

Peyote Critical thinning time

And left the adjoining fan leaf:

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• InTheShed
• Jan 6, 2019

Peyote Critical thinning time

That fan may come off later as it's well below the canopy, but right now it can see the sun/light so it is definitely fueling top growth of the plant.

Obvious to some, helpful to others. My new motto!

I didn't take an after pic because it looks the same from above. I just removed about ten lower shoots that you can't see from the top.

NB: If you are a supercropper like I am, be sure to leave lower growth sites that will become a new top when you supercrop. If you have completely stripped the lower budsites, there will be no new tops gained from the supercrop.

In the first pic you can see I left the next bud up the stem to become a new top if I bend it there.

Have a great night all!

 

[FelipeBlu]

Just curious. Not being aware of a standard procedure, I probably would have wanted to compare my total output to my total input.