Indicas Grow & Experimenting Genetics Part II - Winter Indoor Organic Grow

ClosedCircuit said:
I can see decarboxylating working through a sous vide oven, but then we still have all the chlorophyll left in the buds that hasn't been consumed by bacteria...so you would undoubtedly get a grassier flavor. If we could figure out a way to speed that process up then we could have something that is viable.
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Its just a matter of figuring out how chlorophyl is broken down, guess we have some homework to do CC.
 
If anyone can figure it out, you can danishoes. More reading ahead. WooHoo!
 
Sweetsue said:
If anyone can figure it out, you can danishoes. More reading ahead. WooHoo!
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Blushing here. LOL

I guess we all gonna finish with a Phd in Advance Cannabis Botany after a few years here in 420mag. This weekend I got do some more research, btw thanks so much for that piece on the different trichomes thanks to you I solved the puzzle, I had no clue what so ever what I was looking at. If we team up like this, aint nothing we can't figure out, so be my guest and join the new homework assignment; breakdown chlorophyl in Cannabis.

Respect
:peace:
 
danishoes21 said:
yah man good info I realized probably to late that the lights need to be max 24" not more than that. I think finding that sweet spot took a toll on us. I see you found the right distance for your lights.

How do I use the .0135 Conversion factor for cfl? need your help on this one b.
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you find the lux with a lux meter then you multiply the lux * .0135 to find par for fluorescent lighting. last night i installed more cfls in my grow area. now i have 9 cfls which totals to 187 watts. ill get some lux and par readings tonight.
 
b.real said:
you find the lux with a lux meter then you multiply the lux * .0135 to find par for fluorescent lighting. last night i installed more cfls in my grow area. now i have 9 cfls which totals to 187 watts. ill get some lux and par readings tonight.
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Good stuff man, keep me posted b. As soon as I can Im gonna run some numbers using your conversion factor. Good info :thumb:

b.real said:
last night i installed more cfls in my grow area. now i have 9 cfls which totals to 187 watts.
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Oh yeah buds are coming :yahoo:
 
danishoes21 said:
Blushing here. LOL

I guess we all gonna finish with a Phd in Advance Cannabis Botany after a few years here in 420mag. This weekend I got do some more research, btw thanks so much for that piece on the different trichomes thanks to you I solved the puzzle, I had no clue what so ever what I was looking at. If we team up like this, aint nothing we can't figure out, so be my guest and join the new homework assignment; breakdown chlorophyl in Cannabis.

Respect
:peace:
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So far the closest existing process I have found is water curing..which seems to remove all terpenes and maybe even the cannabinoids that are water soluble. Are some cannabinoids water soluble...I don't know. Essentially, you end up keeping the THC which is not water soluble, but none of the other fun bits :(

So we can scratch that off the list.

What we already know is that oxygen and water must be present for chlorophyll to break down. Ideally, you would not cure in an anaerobic environment because the aerobic bacteria which feed on the chlorophyll need oxygen or they will die.

Right now I am thinking that some kind of microbial inoculant could maybe speed up chlorophyll consumption?

edit: Ok so oxygen does not need to present, but I think to create a robust end product that retains and evolves its flavor and perfume oxygen is necessary? Ok back to reading...
 
Its hard to find any real science related to cannabis...but from what I have ready decarboxylation makes some cannabinoids water soluble. But very little decarb happens in curing. So perhaps if you remove chlorophyll from fresh bud then you can simply dry it and would have the bases of a short cure. Granted you wouldn't have any of the positive change in flavor or aroma but you would have a quicker process...
 
Good evening danishoes the mad scientist. I like that. DMS for short. :cheesygrinsmiley: Man when you dive in you dive in. I've been following along, kind of, and your girls are looking very nice. Don't let them dam bugs get ahold on things. Not sure what you use but I have found that Azamax at full strength kills them dead and then a follow up 3 or 4 days later. Just my 2 cents worth. keep up the good growing. Happy Days :yummy::rollit::passitleft:
 
Since we have been talking about bud washing in a couple other threads I got an idea. They claim that it gives you a more even dry. What if you washed the buds in a two step process where you dunk the flowers in a diluted ACT or maybe a Kashi brew and let it dry for a couple days. The increased microbial life would feed on the flowers, then after those couple days you could wash it again to remove the brew residue off and let it dry and cure from that point on normally....

I'm just thinking out loud right now.
 
That is an interesting idea you got there CC.

Danishoes in my post up above I said full strength and I probably should have said at full recommend rate. Didn't want anything to happen. :high-five:
 
Guys had a long 2 days at work... Sunday I will resume all my ideas and concentrate on my ladies back in the tent.

Off the top of my head;

CC: you might be on to something brother. I rapidly read about the microbial enzymes that act with Oxygen to break down chlorophyl, so we just got to find the way to direct this to Cannabis. Im still looking for information on the subject. Hopefully we can tackle this the upcoming week. Keep putting in ideas :thumb::thumb:

Bee: broda its nice to have you around, glad your back. (blushing) Thanks for the aka mad scientist aka DMS Im down to take it, but you gotta make it official, lol.. I will look into the Azamax, btw how is it going in your area, miss those big trees you were growing last summer.

:peace:
 
Good morning weed DMS. The mad scientist came from sweetsue a few posts back so I can't take credit. But I can make sure it sticks. :high-five::cheesygrinsmiley::smokin:
 
BeemerBill said:
Good morning weed DMS. The mad scientist came from sweetsue a few posts back so I can't take credit. But I can make sure it sticks. :high-five::cheesygrinsmiley::smokin:
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Good afternoon weed Bee

Sue isn't she a sweet heart :circle-of-love:
:high-five: DMS the mad scientist I seriously gotta get to working then to discover some crazy stuff.


ClosedCircuit said:
Call me Igor.
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Igor how you doing today? ready to make some discoveries? Im very pleased with all the findings you posted Im just about to roll my first meds, get my smoke on, get my vibes moving and hopefully get some conclusion. I have to agree with you about the bud washing I feel It gave my meds a better more uniform drying after, the leaves left on the bud slowly changed color as they were drying, I used distilled water, sodium bicarbonate, and some peroxide, Didn't use lemon because I felt the flavor would be over powering.

Summer harvest '14
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ClosedCircuit said:
The proof is in the bud washing pudding, Frankenstein.

I can't wait to see what you think of.
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So according to the readings chlorophyl is broken-down in to glucose. For that to happen there must be heat and air (oxygen) the exact same conditions for microbial enzymes to happen, so that were you idea here

ClosedCircuit said:
Since we have been talking about bud washing in a couple other threads I got an idea. They claim that it gives you a more even dry. What if you washed the buds in a two step process where you dunk the flowers in a diluted ACT or maybe a Kashi brew and let it dry for a couple days. The increased microbial life would feed on the flowers, then after those couple days you could wash it again to remove the brew residue off and let it dry and cure from that point on normally....

I'm just thinking out loud right now.
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Seems very possible. Now what kind if micro-organisms do you want in your herb? and the possibility of bud rot? You might have yourself an experiment here Igor.
 
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