Icemud's LED Grow With Advanced LED XTE 300 Series With EX-Veg 200

ronnie6690 said:
:volcano-smiley: looking great Ice

I have to admit these lights are legit :)
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yea, these lights are definitely the real deal... I don't think I could ask for better results :)
 
Icemud said:
Curso turned me on to taking all the leaves and trimmings and throwing them into the soil to compost, so I have been doing this with all of my leaves and literally within a week or 2 they are gone and nice soil humus :) Each time that I dump old soil into the bin, I add worm castings, the 6-5-3 and some Azomite along with some crab shell meal and fish bone meal. Then I mix up the soil and let it cook.. I don't even know how old this soil is exactly, but probably has been used about 3x or more and is over 1 year old :)
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nice grow you have going Ice

I too took Curs's advice and added my trim to my 3x used soil. Out in the hot shed this summer, I chop the leaf up a bit and mix it in and it would gobble up the leaf in 2 or 3 days. I couldnt believe it.
I did the same by adding some minerals but sprinkled a little Dr Earth.
The plants in it now are some of the healthiest I've grown.

Added some LEDs also, so really looking forward to this harvest.
 
Hash Hound said:
nice grow you have going Ice

I too took Curs's advice and added my trim to my 3x used soil. Out in the hot shed this summer, I chop the leaf up a bit and mix it in and it would gobble up the leaf in 2 or 3 days. I couldnt believe it.
I did the same by adding some minerals but sprinkled a little Dr Earth.
The plants in it now are some of the healthiest I've grown.

Added some LEDs also, so really looking forward to this harvest.
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Yeah the leaf recycling makes perfect sense.... I mean we feed the plants certain nutrients for them to grow... and when composted these nutrients are released back into the soil in the ratios the plant desires (I think)... Its like the perfect reusable formula... and yea, I can't believe how fast the soil breaks down the leaf material... like a few leaves, gone within a few days... a huge pile of leaves, gone within 2 weeks :) so awesome :)

I can't wait to see how this new approach effects my plants... I definitely get much better results with re-used soil vs new soil, and I think that its only going to get better and better :)

Plus saves me a ton of money not having to buy a 50$ bag of promix each cycle :)

I love Dr. Earth products! also E.B. Stone :) I wish more hydro stores stocked these locally, I usually have to go to garden centers or online to order the SRP... :)
 
What are you doing in how much power on the skectum with the grow time? How much blue when do you use i talking in the flowering tent ? do you drop the late in the grow
 
ROLLOR said:
What are you doing in how much power on the skectum with the grow time? How much blue when do you use i talking in the flowering tent ? do you drop the late in the grow
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I am not really sure what you are asking here...could you be more specific as to your questions?


In the mean time you may find some of your answers here...

Grow Lighting
 
Do you use the blue light with the red in the flowering tent? How much power? How will you change it in the grow time ? New to this I have been drug tested for 25+ years NO MORE I retiring Try to get things right I have been reading the last year . What do you think about growing with coco?
 
ROLLOR said:
Do you use the blue light with the red in the flowering tent? How much power? How will you change it in the grow time ? New to this I have been drug tested for 25+ years NO MORE I retiring Try to get things right I have been reading the last year . What do you think about growing with coco?
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The flowering tent (seen with the pink/purple) light in my photos is just that, for flowering, so the panels that are in there have the spectrum for both veg and flowering, even though I am only using them for flowering (Advanced LED XTE 300's).

The blue lights that you see are the Advanced LED EX-VEG 200s that are use for VEG only...

The lights will not be moved around as one tent is for veg with the blue lights, and the other is for flowering with the pink/purple lights. I hope this answers your question...


Power:

In the veg tent (blue one) I have 2x Advanced LED EX-VEG 200s. Each of these lights draws approx 200w from the wall at full power, so in total I have 400W of draw "potential" in that tent. I say potential because I am only using the LED lights with 1/2 of the power, so in total currently I am only drawing around 200w in my VEG tent.

In the flowering tent (pink one) I have 2x Advanced LED XTE 300 panels. Each of these lights at full power draws approx 250W from the wall, so in total, I am using approx 500w in my flowering tent (draw).


Coco:
I have never used Coco so I can't comment on it, however I have seen some amazing grows done in Coco. I use soil.
 
ROLLOR said:
will you drop the power on the blue on the XTE 300 at the end of grow or full power all the time?
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I will be going full power through the whole grow.
 
I found some really interesting info today and I have been researching it to understand it more. I see a ton of claims from lighting companies that say "runs cooler" or "less heat" and I've even caught myself saying the same thing as "this seems to run cooler" than previous brands... HOWEVER>>>>

I have been reading more and more into this and the fact is this..... a 400w source will put out the same heat as another 400w source...

In a sealed enclosure.... a 400w HID will put out the same heat as a 400w LED as will a 400w Air conditioner (with heat vent in room) as 10x 40w CFL bulbs... 400w of energy produces the same heat, regardless of what type of light it is.... This is the laws of thermodynamics and it does not change....

I know this seems odd, as you can typically put your hand on a 400w LED without burning yourself but a 400w HID you wouldn't dare touching.... But oddly enough, they would heat a sealed room exactly the same according to the laws of thermodynamics. The difference you feel is the way the heat is dissipated.

I found this to be very interesting as just about every LED company says "lower heat" or whatever...but if it draws the same, then it also radiates the same amount of heat. Whether through convection or radiant heat transfer.

I found this a very interesting take on my understanding of plant lighting. As always I try to bring the truth out and the details with it :)
 
I always took the heat claims to mean directed down towards the plants. It isn't the same directional heat because it is being "relocated" by fans. Same general idea as a cool tube or sealed enclosure light.

The heat from an led won't just get cooler by moving through a computer fan, you also need somewhere for it to go.
 
Icemud said:
I found some really interesting info today and I have been researching it to understand it more. I see a ton of claims from lighting companies that say "runs cooler" or "less heat" and I've even caught myself saying the same thing as "this seems to run cooler" than previous brands... HOWEVER>>>>

I have been reading more and more into this and the fact is this..... a 400w source will put out the same heat as another 400w source...

In a sealed enclosure.... a 400w HID will put out the same heat as a 400w LED as will a 400w Air conditioner (with heat vent in room) as 10x 40w CFL bulbs... 400w of energy produces the same heat, regardless of what type of light it is.... This is the laws of thermodynamics and it does not change....

I know this seems odd, as you can typically put your hand on a 400w LED without burning yourself but a 400w HID you wouldn't dare touching.... But oddly enough, they would heat a sealed room exactly the same according to the laws of thermodynamics. The difference you feel is the way the heat is dissipated.

I found this to be very interesting as just about every LED company says "lower heat" or whatever...but if it draws the same, then it also radiates the same amount of heat. Whether through convection or radiant heat transfer.

I found this a very interesting take on my understanding of plant lighting. As always I try to bring the truth out and the details with it :)
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But that's only if your using a 400 watt panel to replace a 400 watt hps, my panel is just under 300 watts but can replace a 400 hps so technically I am cooler then my 400 hps. Got to love marketing.
 
Icemud said:
I found some really interesting info today and I have been researching it to understand it more. I see a ton of claims from lighting companies that say "runs cooler" or "less heat" and I've even caught myself saying the same thing as "this seems to run cooler" than previous brands... HOWEVER>>>>

I have been reading more and more into this and the fact is this..... a 400w source will put out the same heat as another 400w source...

In a sealed enclosure.... a 400w HID will put out the same heat as a 400w LED as will a 400w Air conditioner (with heat vent in room) as 10x 40w CFL bulbs... 400w of energy produces the same heat, regardless of what type of light it is.... This is the laws of thermodynamics and it does not change....

I know this seems odd, as you can typically put your hand on a 400w LED without burning yourself but a 400w HID you wouldn't dare touching.... But oddly enough, they would heat a sealed room exactly the same according to the laws of thermodynamics. The difference you feel is the way the heat is dissipated.

I found this to be very interesting as just about every LED company says "lower heat" or whatever...but if it draws the same, then it also radiates the same amount of heat. Whether through convection or radiant heat transfer.

I found this a very interesting take on my understanding of plant lighting. As always I try to bring the truth out and the details with it :)
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That is very interesting Ice.......i havent used hps/mh, but my understanding is that it takes less wattage to achieve the same results in when compared to each other.....so....if i am thinking right then ....ah man...lost it:)lol....basically what Blazinthat said:)lol
now you have taken temps of the different panels and with the xte s showed that they ran quite a bit cooler than previous panels....:) so to be fair you would have to go back and see what each one actually drew from the wall...wattage of course....to see a better comparison:)lol.....now that sounded right in my head:).....not telling you what to do by no means and dont mean to sound judgemental or anything like that:), but making an observation on the new info:).....wow....sorry for rambling on:) been doing that alot lately:):rofl:
 
Green Dreamz said:
That is very interesting Ice.......i havent used hps/mh, but my understanding is that it takes less wattage to achieve the same results in when compared to each other.....so....if i am thinking right then ....ah man...lost it:)lol....basically what Blazinthat said:)lol
now you have taken temps of the different panels and with the xte s showed that they ran quite a bit cooler than previous panels....:) so to be fair you would have to go back and see what each one actually drew from the wall...wattage of course....to see a better comparison:)lol.....now that sounded right in my head:).....not telling you what to do by no means and dont mean to sound judgemental or anything like that:), but making an observation on the new info:).....wow....sorry for rambling on:) been doing that alot lately:):rofl:
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I thought it was a fun bit of information to share. Yea it it true that with LED you can use about 60-80% of the wattage of HID so yes that is correct that they would reduce heat in the growing area by using less energy. I thought it was fascinating though when the wattages were equal. I wouldn't even have expected that to be true, but according to physics it is :) glad everyone found it interesting :)
 
Icemud said:
I thought it was a fun bit of information to share. Yea it it true that with LED you can use about 60-80% of the wattage of HID so yes that is correct that they would reduce heat in the growing area by using less energy. I thought it was fascinating though when the wattages were equal. I wouldn't even have expected that to be true, but according to physics it is :) glad everyone found it interesting :)
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The world is an amazing place. I just hope when I die I get to travel the universe and learn the secrets of EVERYTHING. That's my one dream for life, to have an amazing after death experience.
 
Icemud said:
I thought it was a fun bit of information to share. Yea it it true that with LED you can use about 60-80% of the wattage of HID so yes that is correct that they would reduce heat in the growing area by using less energy. I thought it was fascinating though when the wattages were equal. I wouldn't even have expected that to be true, but according to physics it is :) glad everyone found it interesting :)
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People often don't distinguish between temperature and heat. Remember heat is energy. Temperature is just how we measure the heat (energy) of an object :)

Given 2 lamps drawing 400 watts, one HID, one LED, the temperature of the plants, air and grow room would be lower in the LED setup because more of the energy (heat) goes into PAR (useful photons). Plants can't do much with IR, other than heat up. The plant does useful things with PAR and can store energy in chemical bonds. Plants also reflect some photons and force something else to absorb their energy. The two lights may add the same total energy (heat), to the room but more of it ends up in chemical bonds with LED's. :Namaste:
 
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