Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

[jandre2k3]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Back in the "old days", before LED lighting, I always assumed that both "sides" of the screen were angled upward to allow the plants to curve around a single, cylindrically shaped light source. With your three LED panels providing what is essentially a single, flat plane of light, I humbly submit that you might be better served by changing to a flat screen. This would allow all plants to be equidistant from the light source without resorting to angling the outside edges of the two side LED panels upward and inward. While you would loose the use of the outermost row or two of openings on both sides of the screen, maintaining the desired distance between the light source and ALL of the plants should be greatly simplified. Keeping in mind the increased production that results from keeping the light as close as possible to the plants across the entire canopy, I suspect that the resulting improvement in the consistency of light would offset the loss of flowers due to the reduction of screen "real estate".

OPINIONS?

He says what I was thinking. Didn't wanna poke the bear, but... Now that the bucket's been tipped, might as well add mine to the puddle, eh? I was looking at the same setup, and thinking the same thing. You've provided for even light across the screen with the three fixtures. Alternatively, you can make a peak in the center to increase the "Real estate" in the center as well as in the edges. lol make it a DUBYA. "W"

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

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[KingJohnC]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

What is the distance from the LED panels to the canopy?

 

[GandalfWhite]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

I loved your comment, jandre2k3!
I figure, what the Hell - poke that bear. He can't bite through the Internet, only growl. LMAO

Seriously, Icemud has displayed a great deal of maturity and professionalism in his handling of the controversy that has swirled around his recent journals so I figured that he could handle my question. (Plus, I did say that I "humbly submitted" my question. That should have placated him at least a little, RIGHT? LOL)

 

[Crawdaddy]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

You all realize the two outside LED are angled slightly outward right? Probably not but they are.

The v-Scrog seems like a better use of space to me, if you know simple geometry the distance from the panel to the outside of the screen would be greater then the middle if the screen was flat.

Anyhow plants are growing good, when you planning to flip?

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Back in the "old days", before LED lighting, I always assumed that both "sides" of the screen were angled upward to allow the plants to curve around a single, cylindrically shaped light source. With your three LED panels providing what is essentially a single, flat plane of light, I humbly submit that you might be better served by changing to a flat screen. This would allow all plants to be equidistant from the light source without resorting to angling the outside edges of the two side LED panels upward and inward. While you would loose the use of the outermost row or two of openings on both sides of the screen, maintaining the desired distance between the light source and ALL of the plants should be greatly simplified. Keeping in mind the increased production that results from keeping the light as close as possible to the plants across the entire canopy, I suspect that the resulting improvement in the consistency of light would offset the loss of flowers due to the reduction of screen "real estate".

OPINIONS?

Hey Gandalfwhite,

I sort of agree with your observation as far as the flat vs sloped edges, however I also want to note that with the angled surface, it gives me much more 3D penetration by layering each row of buds, so I get more side lighting than a 2D flat surface would provide as well as it seems that my sides always yield higher than the middle plants. You are right though on the aspect that originally I built the v-scrog with the intention to reverse the affect of square inverse law on my rounded HID bulbs so by bringing the edges up, it would limit the distance from the point light source, increasing intensity and with LED being more like a laser beam in terms of how the light is distributed, I definitely can also see a flat screen actually providing more light (if I was using a single or dual light source) however with 3 light sources, I think with the angle I actually will get a higher yield due to slightly more surface area, as well as the "layering" effect that occurs on the lifted edges.

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Hehehe... I love veg manipulation... It takes vision.

Hahah, yep, I love it too...its like an artform directing the branches the right ways to get a nice even full canopy :

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

He says what I was thinking. Didn't wanna poke the bear, but... Now that the bucket's been tipped, might as well add mine to the puddle, eh? I was looking at the same setup, and thinking the same thing. You've provided for even light across the screen with the three fixtures. Alternatively, you can make a peak in the center to increase the "Real estate" in the center as well as in the edges. lol make it a DUBYA. "W"

Why ya gotta poke the bear!!! RAWWWRRR!! LOL hahahahaha. Yeah I think I kind of answered this question in the response to Gandalf, but I think that with the raised edges it gives me slightly more surface area, plus allows a "layering" of the buds where they get more light due to hanging "out and over" the lower portions of the screen. It seems that for whatever reason, the outsides of my scrog always yield much higher than my middles, and I think it has to do with the 3D sides vs the 2D flat middle. Probably not going to change it though because I like the V-scrog lol plus I really don't have the room to build a new one.. I actually did originally think about a "W" design...

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

What is the distance from the LED panels to the canopy?

Right now the panels are about 12-14" from the canopy.

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

I loved your comment, jandre2k3!
I figure, what the Hell - poke that bear. He can't bite through the Internet, only growl. LMAO

Seriously, Icemud has displayed a great deal of maturity and professionalism in his handling of the controversy that has swirled around his recent journals so I figured that he could handle my question. (Plus, I did say that I "humbly submitted" my question. That should have placated him at least a little, RIGHT? LOL)

Hey Gandalfwhite.... hahaha...love the phrase...

Thanks for your kind remarks, I definitely never mind a good question, statement or bit of info I definitely like your question regarding the scrog screen however I think I am just going to keep it "as is" for now, since I know it works rather well for my tent size. Good ideas thought

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

You all realize the two outside LED are angled slightly outward right? Probably not but they are.

The v-Scrog seems like a better use of space to me, if you know simple geometry the distance from the panel to the outside of the screen would be greater then the middle if the screen was flat.

Anyhow plants are growing good, when you planning to flip?

Hey Crawdaddy

I will be flipping the girls when the screen is about 90% full of tops, and the way they are growing right now, I can't see it taking more than 4 weeks. I swear right now the girls grow inches per day, and seems like within an hour or 2 of me tucking the branches, the plants already respond and shoot up new tops Its pretty amazing how fast they are responding.

 

[Hash Hound]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Ice

I was looking for a small led for starting plants, which is usually done in a small closet.
I started to look at small UFO's and stumbled upon this on the zon


2014 Intelligent-Gro 180W UFO LED Grow Light Lamp Panel for Indoor Garden and Hydroponic Systems, Full 7 Band Spectrums
by Intelligent-Gro 2014 UFO Series $139

I don't see it on their web site though. Old model?

I also see Apollo UFO's 75w 135w and 180w have you ever heard of them. One of their bigger models is recommended in a LED review.

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Ice

I was looking for a small led for starting plants, which is usually done in a small closet.
I started to look at small UFO's and stumbled upon this on the zon


2014 Intelligent-Gro 180W UFO LED Grow Light Lamp Panel for Indoor Garden and Hydroponic Systems, Full 7 Band Spectrums
by Intelligent-Gro 2014 UFO Series $139

I don't see it on their web site though. Old model?

I also see Apollo UFO's 75w 135w and 180w have you ever heard of them. One of their bigger models is recommended in a LED review.

Hey Hash Hound,


I really don't know much about the UFO model, but seems to me that it is a different technology, build and design than the other Intelligent Gro models, so I don't really know much about it at all. I know the Intelligent gro 135W model some other growers here are using with success and I have to say the Intelligent Gro lights are bright, might wanna check that one out.

I don't know much about Apollo though, other than a lot of "rumors" I have heard about them but not really sure what is true or not.

If anything I would suggest a LED with Lenses, which help focus the light better than without, and other than that its really on the reviews of the product.

Wish I had more info on the UFO's but didn't really know about them or why they are different than the other Intelligent Gro LEDS.

 

[Crawdaddy]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Hey Crawdaddy

I will be flipping the girls when the screen is about 90% full of tops, and the way they are growing right now, I can't see it taking more than 4 weeks. I swear right now the girls grow inches per day, and seems like within an hour or 2 of me tucking the branches, the plants already respond and shoot up new tops Its pretty amazing how fast they are responding.

Nice I be surprised if take 4 weeks! Growing like mad!

 

[Absolutes]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Ohhhhhh man, i am so happy I found this!!!
I could only skim because I'm not home, but I found my reading material for the night haha.

Looks to be information galore on exactly how I'd like to grow. I am DEFINITELY going to look into these LEDs.

Very excitedto watch this journal!

 

[Billyjack]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Subbed. Not sure how I missed this grow

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Nice I be surprised if take 4 weeks! Growing like mad!

Yeah they are really growing fast. I don't ever remember seeing the screen fill up this quickly

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Ohhhhhh man, i am so happy I found this!!!
I could only skim because I'm not home, but I found my reading material for the night haha.

Looks to be information galore on exactly how I'd like to grow. I am DEFINITELY going to look into these LEDs.

Very excitedto watch this journal!

Hey Absolutes!! Welcome, and make yourself at home

So far I am very impressed with the Intelligent Gro 270's! They are rocking my plants

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Subbed. Not sure how I missed this grow

Hey Billyjack!! Glad you found the journal and for having ya aboard

 

[Icemud]

re: Icemud's Intelligent Gro 2 LED Grow With V-Scrog - Going for 1lb & Beyond!

Quick photo update...

Wow these plants are growing amazingly fast! I can't believe how I can tuck all the branches under the screen an within a few hours the plants have pushed up new branches. Its pretty amazing !

Other than that I gave them a very light nutrient dose of 1/4 earthjuice grow and humboldt bloom and stuck to just 2 cups of water per plant. So far they really seem to like this method of watering better and they are thriving

Here are today's photos.